Saudi Arabia criticises Norway over human rights record - Polidicks

Kinda strange coming from a country that rather follows the Sharia than having human rights.

[QUOTE=Srillo;44685571]Europeans do treat their Muslim populations and POC very poorly. Those old colonialist attitudes are pervasive throughout Europe and white Europeans are intentionally oblivious to it. Just look at the plight of the Roma and how disgustingly they are treated. Or look at the racist Italians and Spanish who, seemingly, allow hundreds of African migrants to drown. Europe has an obligation to disenfranchised peoples, since it's mostly Europe that disenfranchised them. So all of your to quoque ad hominem responses to Saudi Arabia don't suddenly invalidate the truth behind those words.[/QUOTE] Yeah well I hate the idea of being seen as responsible and guilty for the actions of previous generations that happened before I was even born. That itself is archaic entrapment. It's pure madness to even contemplate improving anything in the present or looking to the future, whilst expecting later generations of people to carry a burden of shame and guilt from the day they are born, for their entire lives, for something they were not even involved in, whilst giving another set of seemingly aggrieved people special treatment. The imbalance is kept alive by an astonishingly heavy handed grip of the past and unwillingness to put aside differences.

I don't get why the Middle East keeps complaining about Scandinavia of all places. Is it still because of a Dane drawing that one picture of Mohammed wearing a bomb as a hat?

[QUOTE=Srillo;44685571]Europeans do treat their Muslim populations and POC very poorly. Those old colonialist attitudes are pervasive throughout Europe and white Europeans are intentionally oblivious to it. Just look at the plight of the Roma and how disgustingly they are treated. Or look at the racist Italians and Spanish who, seemingly, allow hundreds of African migrants to drown. Europe has an obligation to disenfranchised peoples, since it's mostly Europe that disenfranchised them. So all of your to quoque ad hominem responses to Saudi Arabia don't suddenly invalidate the truth behind those words.[/QUOTE] Lol How the hell do we allow them to drown? By [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/08/11/andalucia/1376214571.html"]sending [/URL]patrolling [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/andalucia/2013/10/31/527226c2684341381b8b4666.html"]boats [/URL]to [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/08/10/andalucia/1376125704.html"]pick [/URL]them [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/08/24/andalucia/1377335422.html"]up [/URL]before [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/10/17/andalucia/1381963805.html"]hypothermia [/URL]kicks [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/07/26/andalucia/1374832255.html"]in [/URL]and [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/03/27/andalucia/1364373894.html"]even [/URL]more [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/05/10/internacional/1368209753.html"]die[/URL]?

[QUOTE=Srillo;44685571]Europeans do treat their Muslim populations and POC very poorly.[/QUOTE] In Saudi Arabia muslims treat their muslim population very poorly. Is that okay then?

[QUOTE=Coment;44685680]Lol How the hell do we allow them to drown? By [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/08/11/andalucia/1376214571.html"]sending [/URL]patrolling [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/andalucia/2013/10/31/527226c2684341381b8b4666.html"]boats [/URL]to [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/08/10/andalucia/1376125704.html"]pick [/URL]them [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/08/24/andalucia/1377335422.html"]up [/URL]before [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/10/17/andalucia/1381963805.html"]hypothermia [/URL]kicks [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/07/26/andalucia/1374832255.html"]in [/URL]and [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/03/27/andalucia/1364373894.html"]even [/URL]more [URL="http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/05/10/internacional/1368209753.html"]die[/URL]?[/QUOTE] Just from the usage of POC as a word, I get the impression that they're a tumblr slacktivist.

The criticism of Mohammed is mostly done out of principle instead of hatred. People hold no hatred towards the prophet, but the clerics who harm others by claiming that their different interpretations are true. Despite the Quran not blatantly forbiding pictures of Mohammad, cartoonists are oddly receiving death threats over it. It's weird that people are willing to believe the interpretations of religious clerics and not the deity/holybook.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;44685874]The criticism of Mohammed is mostly done out of principle instead of hatred. People hold no hatred towards the prophet, but the clerics who harm others by claiming that their different interpretations are true. Despite the Quran not blatantly forbiding pictures of Mohammad, cartoonists are oddly receiving death threats over it. It's weird that people are willing to believe the interpretations of religious clerics and not the deity/holybook.[/QUOTE] This doesn't happen so much with the bible due to the emphasis on the current version being final, and possibly due to higher literacy rates in 'Christian' countries. The obvious notable exception is the altered interpretation by the Westboro Baptist Church. But then, if you read a non-canonical coptic version, like 'The Gospel of Thomas', that points to something far different to modern christianity - more akin to eastern spirituality.

As a Muslim I'll say this: fuck Saudi Arabia.

imagine if abrahamic religions disappeared

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;44685979]imagine if abrahamic religions disappeared[/QUOTE] The world will still be a violent and hateful place, but people won't say it's in the name of God.

[QUOTE=Srillo;44685571]Europeans do treat their Muslim populations and POC very poorly. Those old colonialist attitudes are pervasive throughout Europe and white Europeans are intentionally oblivious to it. Just look at the plight of the Roma and how disgustingly they are treated. Or look at the racist Italians and Spanish who, seemingly, allow hundreds of African migrants to drown. Europe has an obligation to disenfranchised peoples, since it's mostly Europe that disenfranchised them. So all of your to quoque ad hominem responses to Saudi Arabia don't suddenly invalidate the truth behind those words.[/QUOTE] Yes, there are still major issues with racism in Europe. We are not denying that. But Saudi Arabia actually has racism directly and blatantly embedded in many of its laws, blasphemy (against Sunni Islam and nothing else) being punishable by death or long sentences in prison, and the literal religious police, and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Saleh_al-Bejadi"]several[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Fahad_al-Qahtani"]people[/url] people being arrested for establishing or attempting to establish human rights organisations. Yes, our attitudes towards 'people of colour' (I really don't like that term, implying that white people are somehow magically separate from every other ethnicity on the planet) may still need improvement, but just because the Saudi government aren't evil whiteys doesn't mean that they're magically exempt of any responsibility for their own terrible actions.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;44685979]imagine if abrahamic religions disappeared[/QUOTE] There would be a snack bar shortage.

[QUOTE=Srillo;44685571]Europeans do treat their Muslim populations and POC very poorly.[/QUOTE] you do realise "poc" is a racial slur right

[QUOTE=Srillo;44685571]Europeans do treat their Muslim populations and POC very poorly. Those old colonialist attitudes are pervasive throughout Europe and white Europeans are intentionally oblivious to it. Just look at the plight of the Roma and how disgustingly they are treated. Or look at the racist Italians and Spanish who, seemingly, allow hundreds of African migrants to drown. Europe has an obligation to disenfranchised peoples, since it's mostly Europe that disenfranchised them. So all of your to quoque ad hominem responses to Saudi Arabia don't suddenly invalidate the truth behind those words.[/QUOTE] Way to generalise and lump all of Europe into one without realising there are Muslim countries in Europe and that much of Europe in the colonial days was getting fucked under someone else's empire, and can you back up that southern Europe actually [I]allows[/I] migrants to drown? [QUOTE=Sobotnik;44686958]you do realise "poc" is a racial slur right[/QUOTE] I'm half Turkish/Nigerian and I never heard of that phrase until people on the internet said it, and after coming across more instances of it being used it appears to be a completely america-centric term, which makes sense, based on their history of white-non white segregation, but what they don't realise is things in Europe haven't been as, dare I say, black and white

[QUOTE=Fayez;44686004]The world will still be a violent and hateful place, but people won't say it's in the name of God.[/QUOTE] not really. if you take out all the prejudice and generally regressive thinking directly created by religion then the world would have much less reason for conflict. honestly teaching people to think progressively and getting rid of our terrible outdated views is the only viable path humanity can afford to take long term believing in an unjust and hateful god figure that commands all life removes individual accountability, allows the swaying of masses to the will of corrupt people and is overall extremely detrimental to us and this entire planet in too many ways to list.

[QUOTE=Srillo;44685571]Europeans do treat their Muslim populations and POC very poorly. Those old colonialist attitudes are pervasive throughout Europe and white Europeans are intentionally oblivious to it. Just look at the plight of the Roma and how disgustingly they are treated. Or look at the racist Italians and Spanish who, seemingly, allow hundreds of African migrants to drown. Europe has an obligation to disenfranchised peoples, since it's mostly Europe that disenfranchised them. So all of your to quoque ad hominem responses to Saudi Arabia don't suddenly invalidate the truth behind those words.[/QUOTE] Subway already bended over towards muslim populations by completely taking out the bacon and some other meat, and replacing it with Halal meat. It's not a big deal, true, but if they did that for sandwiches, something worse might change soon. It's not all black and white with the migration issues, but theres loads of things once has to look at. Plus, situations aren't good even for the people who didn't migrate. Imagine for the people who do migrate... Plus, don't put me in the same lines as the old racist farts at the local cafes that are tired of "niggers". I have nothing to do with those schmucks nor anyone else of that sort.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44686958]you do realise "poc" is a racial slur right[/QUOTE] The NAACP is the biggest fighter for black rights though? It's been made one because they've used it instead of black.

whats with the muslims articles? is it "idiot muslim makes other muslims look bad" day?

sorry saudi arabia i cant hear you over the sound of our oil rigs making us welfare money

[QUOTE=Monkey san;44688237]sorry saudi arabia i cant hear you over the sound of our oil rigs making us welfare money[/QUOTE] I think you mistook that phrase for "I'm sorry Saudi Arabia, I couldn't hear you over my barrels of oil" which doesn't really fit here, because I believe they produce more oil than us. :( At least we invented the oil in the 1970s. :)

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;44687226]not really. if you take out all the prejudice and generally regressive thinking directly created by religion then the world would have much less reason for conflict. honestly teaching people to think progressively and getting rid of our terrible outdated views is the only viable path humanity can afford to take long term believing in an unjust and hateful god figure that commands all life removes individual accountability, allows the swaying of masses to the will of corrupt people and is overall extremely detrimental to us and this entire planet in too many ways to list.[/QUOTE] Stalin didn't believe in an "unjust God figure" but that didn't stop him from killing millions. Face it, some humans are shitty people, and some of those people justify their shittyness with religon.

[QUOTE=Fayez;44688558]Stalin didn't believe in an "unjust God figure" but that didn't stop him from killing millions. Face it, some humans are shitty people, and some of those people justify their shittyness with religon.[/QUOTE] Bzzt, Association fallacy, try again. [quote]While it is certainly arguable that communism would be untenable in a theistic climate - making atheism necessary for communism - the apologetic fails because atheism isn't sufficient for communism; fires only start in the presence of oxygen, but no fire has ever said to have been caused by the presence of oxygen. Indeed, (weak) atheism can't be considered sufficient for any action.[/quote] DO-GY never said it would stop all shitty people. Religion is a major force behind, or justifying almost every form of suppression in the last 100 years. If it was done away with then people would not be as easily brainwashed to think "Oh well, the pastor said god said, so it must be right". We need people to be skeptical thinkers, or else they will fall privy to stories and people with bad intentions.

I'm still confused why we still have these stupid issues in the 21 century.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;44685169]oof[/QUOTE] holy fuck I said "oof" out loud when I read that and then saw your post

To enforce stopping criticism of the prophet Mohammed is to deny human rights to their own people. Saudi Arabia and any other Islamic State\Dictatorship that supports denial of human rights for religious matters can go live on the moon.

[QUOTE=download;44685159]Pot meet Kettle.[/QUOTE] I think that only works if the pot calling the kettle black is black itself and the kettle is a sort of light grey.

[QUOTE=download;44685159]Pot meet Kettle.[/QUOTE] Pot meet ceramic bowl more like it.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;44685979]imagine if abrahamic religions disappeared[/QUOTE] People would find more inventive reasons to kill eachother. What we need is a better society, not a better (or lack of) religion.

[QUOTE=ZyreHD;44689257]I'm still confused why we still have these stupid issues in the 21 century.[/QUOTE] Religion being used as a controlling method, Islam failing to conform to acceptable religious practice in the 21st century. Unlike other religions which are adapting\adapted (Christianity, Hinduism etc)