Police pepper spray an elderly woman, a pregnant woman and a priest among others at Occupy Seattle - Polidicks

[QUOTE=wewt!;33303398]yeah that doesn't work here the old lady didn't get augmented or anything[/QUOTE] She also didn't ask for pepper spray to the face.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33299947]Not rejecting the fault on anyone here, but the pregnant woman who got sprayed shouldn't even have been here in the first place. She's carrying a damn baby and the best thing to do she can think of is getting in the street in an angry crowd where pretty much any fucking one could kick/punch/push her, even without actually wanting to ?[/QUOTE] That could happen anywhere - on the bus, in the mall, walking down the street. You shouldn't have to think before going outside, "jeeze, I might be assaulted by the police today - better stay in!"

That logic is really stupid, because you're more likely to be pepper sprayed when you're with a demonstration that is confronting the police than catching the bus or walking down the street.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;33303552]That logic is really stupid, because you're more likely to be pepper sprayed when you're with a demonstration that is confronting the police than catching the bus or walking down the street.[/QUOTE] He's talking about being kicked, punched, or pushed while being pregnant. Not being pepper sprayed. People can be rough anywhere. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmPMFnDOjFg"]Especially on buses.[/URL]

Is almost as if they went round and tried to find the most defenceless. Shame on you policey mans.

Holy shit why don't me edit and reply buttons work Anyways it doesn't have to be just being pepper sprayed, could be assaulted in general. As said, being a part of a demonstration that is confronting the police can be a lot more dangerous than simply catching a bus or walking down the street.

Does anyone know where in Seattle they gather for this? I kinda wanna check it out.

An old lady and a pregnant woman? I hope those cops who did that suffer the guilt of doing that.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33297801]If a police officer says to someone, "You have to leave right now, or I'll beat you", it does not become that person's fault if they don't leave. That kind of mentality is completely ridiculous. [editline]16th November 2011[/editline] I wasn't aware yelling at an officer was "assaulting the cops".[/QUOTE] hitting them is.

What will happen now? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, it's the most unsuccessful, and pathetic protest ever. It was really fucking cool in the beginning and it felt like something would happen, but at this state people are just living together at camps like gypsies just waiting to get raped by cops, only to get a bad reputation in media as well.

[QUOTE=Joyful Mystery;33296716]I'm sorry, someone has to say it. It looks like someone came on that old lady's face in the first picture.[/QUOTE] i dont know what the fuck kind of porn youve been watching but that isnt what.. you know, looks like

[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;33299285]Just riot already. They are taunting the dragon.[/QUOTE] Dont get me wrong I think peaceful protesting is the best way, but at what point do all the occupiers get so fed up with the police shit? I feel as if the protesters cant take much more of all of this

I love how about half of Facepunch has this retarded opinion (usually about a country they have never visited or lived in) that people who do not like the government's actions should respond by quietly taking it and hoping it changes in the future. I'm not sure what kind of country you have to be raised in to have this misguided opinion, but the fact that people are actually protesting is important; not that they all share a very specific set of ideals. That's the job of a political party.

Criminal Scum....

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33303466]That could happen anywhere - on the bus, in the mall, walking down the street. You shouldn't have to think before going outside, "jeeze, I might be assaulted by the police today - better stay in!"[/QUOTE] But the odds of getting pepper sprayed or hurt in a MASSIVE ANGRY CROWD are kinda higher than, say, in the bus or wherever else. Sure it can happen anywhere but it's not a reason to go straight where you have the more chances of it happening. You usually don't get into a giant protest policemen are ordered to stop while carrying a fragile baby.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33311273]But the odds of getting pepper sprayed or hurt in a MASSIVE ANGRY CROWD are kinda higher than, say, in the bus or wherever else. Sure it can happen anywhere but it's not a reason to go straight where you have the more chances of it happening. You usually don't get into a giant protest policemen are ordered to stop while carrying a fragile baby.[/QUOTE] This is going to come around to the whole victim-blaming thing that so many facepunchers love eh Imagine that she was raped instead of pepper-sprayed, would you say the same thing

[QUOTE=-n3o-;33296882]The occupy protests need to start making major demands imo. Because they seem rather unorganized..[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/no-message-occupy-wall-street.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33312646]This is going to come around to the whole victim-blaming thing that so many facepunchers love eh Imagine that she was raped instead of pepper-sprayed, would you say the same thing[/QUOTE] I wouldn't because the odds of being raped in a crowd are kinda low, considering you usually don't get raped in an angry mob. But if you want to play the what if game, imagine if she wasn't pregnant but had already given birth, and had the baby right in her arms instead.

It's easy to shout "police brutality" but it really takes one bad apple to make a whole crowd degenerate. And obviously the police hold the knife by the hilt. We take in consideration the pregnant woman and the granny but not all the people that play the part of the angry crowd. In a game of "thieves and guards" people start to behave in [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment]unpredictable ways[/url]

[QUOTE=lapsus_;33312818]It's easy to shout "police brutality" but it really takes one bad apple to make a whole crowd degenerate. And obviously the police hold the knife by the hilt. We take in consideration the pregnant woman and the granny but not all the people that play the part of the angry crowd. In a game of "thieves and guards" people start to behave in [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment]unpredictable ways[/url][/QUOTE] So how about the police show some level of restraint instead of just flying off the handle at even the tiniest provocation?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33312856]So how about the police show some level of restraint instead of just flying off the handle at even the tiniest provocation?[/QUOTE] While protesters are there because they chose to, and I bet that someone is there just to cause some havoc (like in every protest ever), officers are people that could have been (and would have want to be) in some other place, instead of wearing a riot suit and be offended (or having sticks or rocks thrown at in other cases) while they did nothing. All for a shitty wage. Again, while having the authority to, and maybe being ordered to spray the crowd, an officer maybe abused of his power. But from what I've read here many people fail to understand that the fault is never of a single part. I understand your point of view, and recognize the importance of protesting, but seeing people go "fuk the police!!1!" it's saddening. That's why I offered you guys another point of view. Sorry if I dared to.

[QUOTE=lapsus_;33313225]I understand your point of view, and recognize the importance of protesting, but seeing people go "fuk the police!!1!" it's saddening. That's why I offered you guys another point of view. Sorry if I dared to.[/QUOTE] Do you not see that it is [I]a direct result[/I] of incidents like this that you have those people saying "fuck the police"?

As long as you understand they probably (meaning almost guaranteed) didn't target the old lady or the pregnant girl. Honestly, you tell of police brutality, "Why in the world would they target such innocent people?" "Because news sources know that will be the most controversial; thus they are the only targets that need to be mentioned." They did not intentionally target the three mentioned that everyone is raging over, they were attempting to control a crowd; the "poor" old lady, pregnant girl and priest were part of the crowd. If you don't like it, don't participate.

A bit too much brutality if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Phsykotik;33315595]As long as you understand they probably (meaning almost guaranteed) didn't target the old lady or the pregnant girl. Honestly, you tell of police brutality, "Why in the world would they target such innocent people?" "Because news sources know that will be the most controversial; thus they are the only targets that need to be mentioned." They did not intentionally target the three mentioned that everyone is raging over, they were attempting to control a crowd; the "poor" old lady, pregnant girl and priest were part of the crowd. If you don't like it, don't participate.[/QUOTE] That's still not an excuse to use excessive force. Also, "if you don't like it don't participate" is a bullshit justification for what happened. Quit being an apologist.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33312694]I wouldn't because the odds of being raped in a crowd are kinda low, considering you usually don't get raped in an angry mob. But if you want to play the what if game, imagine if she wasn't pregnant but had already given birth, and had the baby right in her arms instead.[/QUOTE] If she had the baby in her arms and was attacked by cops then maybe the cop would actually be reprimanded for it I don't think even police officers can get away with killing babies

[QUOTE=Bones85;33319866]That's still not an excuse to use excessive force. Also, "if you don't like it don't participate" is a bullshit justification for what happened. Quit being an apologist.[/QUOTE] Excessive force, I would argue, would be using rubber bullets.

[QUOTE=Phsykotik;33322294]Excessive force, I would argue, would be using rubber bullets.[/QUOTE] against peaceful protesters, ANY force is excessive force.

Assuming all were peaceful. Were you there?

[QUOTE=Phsykotik;33322392]Assuming all were peaceful. Were you there?[/QUOTE] no i wasn't, but i'm gonna assume that the elderly woman & pregnant woman aren't exactly capable of violent protest, especially not to the point where they could cause harm to a riot-geared up cop. yet they still got pepper sprayed???