Police pepper spray an elderly woman, a pregnant woman and a priest among others at Occupy Seattle - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33323021]no i wasn't, but i'm gonna assume that the elderly woman & pregnant woman aren't exactly capable of violent protest, especially not to the point where they could cause harm to a riot-geared up cop. yet they still got pepper sprayed???[/QUOTE]I dunno man; maybe the priest was buffing them.

So, a potentially slightly aggravated crowd. Crowd control targets crowd, not specific targets. Old lady, pregnant girl and priest are part of crowd. Coincidentally the three mentioned get hit by a crowd-targeting process. Stop making it seem like they were looking for the three most controversial people. I understand that it is mildly upsetting that they would dare control a discontent crowd, but it is blown way out of proportion in what happened. The news source clearly searches for the most agitating part, which is the old lady, pregnant girl and the priest, and applied mainly them to enrage people into blindly joining. I will admit, this fascinates me, but I cannot get behind something so unorganized. To Megafanx13 it's about the evils of banks. To someone else it's about shifting taxes. To my dad it's about lazy people who just want to be given stuff while he has to work his ass off to afford what we have. I am thinking of visiting the camp though.

[QUOTE=Phsykotik;33328381]I will admit, this fascinates me, but I cannot get behind something so unorganized. To Meganfan it's about the evils of banks. To someone else it's about shifting taxes. To my dad it's about lazy people who just want to be given stuff while he has to work his ass off to afford what we have. I am thinking of visiting the camp though.[/QUOTE] You may want to at least spell my name correctly before deriding me for one thing. Additionally, why can it not be about the bank's influences [I]as well as[/I] taxes?

Because I only see you complain about the banks. And it wasn meant to be derogatory, sorry I came off as so. And I do not do early morning well, sorry for misremembering your name.

I watched all the news channels this morning. It's really pitiful. They barely cover the protests at all. They show, some 5-10 second clip about some bloody-headed idiot and call them a "violent crowd." Wow! Some amazing media right there. How about the women being dragged around by police or the seemingly unprovoked beat downs? Deliberately blacking out these people, it's really something. Do not underestimate Occupy Wall Street. During governmental revolution in the Philippines, hundreds of thousands of people protested in central Manila, in what could be called the "New York" of the Philippines. Instead of Occupy Wall Street, it was called "People's Power Movement" and it was so large, the President stepped down and was charged for his crimes. I'm sure if OWS had enough supporters, it would present change.

[QUOTE=The OP]swinging a stick at an office.[/QUOTE] highley illegal.

[QUOTE=Phsykotik;33328381]So, a potentially slightly aggravated crowd. Crowd control targets crowd, not specific targets. Old lady, pregnant girl and priest are part of crowd. Coincidentally the three mentioned get hit by a crowd-targeting process. Stop making it seem like they were looking for the three most controversial people. I understand that it is mildly upsetting that they would dare control a discontent crowd, but it is blown way out of proportion in what happened. The news source clearly searches for the most agitating part, which is the old lady, pregnant girl and the priest, and applied mainly them to enrage people into blindly joining. I will admit, this fascinates me, but I cannot get behind something so unorganized. To Megafanx13 it's about the evils of banks. To someone else it's about shifting taxes. To my dad it's about lazy people who just want to be given stuff while he has to work his ass off to afford what we have. I am thinking of visiting the camp though.[/QUOTE] why are they pepper spraying the crowd in the first place? i don't care if they weren't targeting the most vulnerable people specifically, if anything it's more aggravating that they are just spraying everybody without giving a shit about who they hit. and well that's the thing, this protest is about alot of things, money in politics seems to be the biggest one from what i've seen but that's what you get when you bring a large group of people together, differing opinions. your dad is a dickhead.

Still sad that most kids today are still way uninformed

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33337894]why are they pepper spraying the crowd in the first place? i don't care if they weren't targeting the most vulnerable people specifically, if anything it's more aggravating that they are just spraying everybody without giving a shit about who they hit. and well that's the thing, this protest is about alot of things, money in politics seems to be the biggest one from what i've seen but that's what you get when you bring a large group of people together, differing opinions. your dad is a dickhead.[/QUOTE] If the crowd has any potential to become hostile, it's not just randomly spraying everybody. They were trying to disperse the crowd, so you target the crowd. It's not what you get with a large group of people coming together. Usually if a large group of people are coming together they already have an agenda. There is so much disorganization that it is an unappealing campaign to support. And the ignorance, the banks are huge, you're not going to bring them down by removing yourself from them, they have [i]tons[/i] of money invested elsewhere. Not to mention they only profit off of a chunk of the accounts they have open. It is not sensible to me. "Let's reform everything because only I have an issue with it!" And please don't just make blind accusations about my father. I am trying not to.be bias, but I don't understand any of it, so it is harder to side with the Occupy protestors.

I wonder if it was anything like this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vV4zw-cus[/media]

[QUOTE=Phsykotik;33371368]If the crowd has any potential to become hostile, it's not just randomly spraying everybody. They were trying to disperse the crowd, so you target the crowd. It's not what you get with a large group of people coming together. Usually if a large group of people are coming together they already have an agenda. There is so much disorganization that it is an unappealing campaign to support. And the ignorance, the banks are huge, you're not going to bring them down by removing yourself from them, they have [i]tons[/i] of money invested elsewhere. Not to mention they only profit off of a chunk of the accounts they have open. It is not sensible to me. "Let's reform everything because only I have an issue with it!" And please don't just make blind accusations about my father. I am trying not to.be bias, but I don't understand any of it, so it is harder to side with the Occupy protestors.[/QUOTE] every crowd has the potential to become hostile, that doesn't give cops a right to pepper spray any crowd randomly. i don't agree with them trying to disperse the crowd so whatever. and i dunno, you're talking about ignorance regarding the banks with a stupid statement like "Let's reform everything because only I have an issue with it!" ? THE WHOLE WORLD has had an issue with it, banks fucking around is what caused the financial recession which has fucked over every country on earth. if your dad is one of those dumbass "THEY ARE ALL LAZY UNEMPLOYEDS WHO WANT GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS WHILE I WORK HARD!!!!" people then me calling him a dickhead isn't a blind accusation.

Stay Classy Seattle...

[QUOTE=Phsykotik;33328381]So, a potentially slightly aggravated crowd. Crowd control targets crowd, not specific targets. Old lady, pregnant girl and priest are part of crowd. Coincidentally the three mentioned get hit by a crowd-targeting process. Stop making it seem like they were looking for the three most controversial people. I understand that it is mildly upsetting that they would dare control a discontent crowd, but it is blown way out of proportion in what happened. The news source clearly searches for the most agitating part, which is the old lady, pregnant girl and the priest, and applied mainly them to enrage people into blindly joining. I will admit, this fascinates me, but I cannot get behind something so unorganized. To Megafanx13 it's about the evils of banks. To someone else it's about shifting taxes. To my dad it's about lazy people who just want to be given stuff while he has to work his ass off to afford what we have. I am thinking of visiting the camp though.[/QUOTE] Oh, so they weren't just targeting those people. They were blindly spraying the crowd. That's reassuring.

Here's an article stating that the pregnant woman had a miscarriage, allegedly as a result of the police actions against her: [URL="http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/11/21/pregant-woman-blasted-with-pepper-spray-by-spd-reportedly-miscarries"]http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/11/21/pregant-woman-blasted-with-pepper-spray-by-spd-reportedly-miscarries[/URL] [QUOTE]"I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," she says. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'" At that point, Fox continues, a Seattle police officer lifted his foot and it hit her in the stomach, and another officer pushed his bicycle into the crowd, again hitting Fox in the stomach. "Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut," she says. Fox asked for medical attention—the now-famous photo by Josh Trujillo of her being carried to the ambulance is here (click to the second photo)—and was rushed to Harborview Medical Center, she says, where doctors performed an ultrasound and said that they "didn't see anything wrong with the baby at the time." Fox says she had also seen a physician at Harborview for prenatal care about five week before. "Everything was going okay until yesterday, when I started getting sick, cramps started, and I felt like I was going to pass out," Fox says. A friend called for an ambulance near the community college campus. (Fox says she has been camping with Occupy Seattle since it first began in Westlake Park. She is homeless and says, "I don't have a place. This is the place I call home.") When she arrived at Harborview at 11:00 a.m., she says, a doctor told her that "there was no heartbeat" from the baby. "They diagnosed that I was having a miscarriage. They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to it [the fetus], too." [/QUOTE]

I know it's a cliche but for the love of god don't look at the comments on that article. Apparently she was putting her unborn baby at risk by being at this protest, because it's not like protests can be completely peaceful or anything no-sir-ee.