Al Sharpton Joins Beyonce, Jay Z, Trayvon Martin's Mother, For "Justice For Trayvon" Vigil
108 replies, posted
The media should be punished for all the shit they've stirred and how misinformed the people who watch their programs really are. Why are they allowed to spread complete mistruths before people are even judged by the law? It costs lives every damn time and distracts people from the important issues in society. The media should only be allowed to report on cases like this AFTER the verdict is read, otherwise it's just dangerous irresponsible gossip.
[QUOTE=Florence;41546712]Sure you can call it dumb. But your reasons are shallow and ad hominem, which means you should stick to a simple, wordless DUMB rating and not bother posting at all if you're not ready to engage.
This is a discussion board after all.[/QUOTE]
There's not much to critique. I just read a big long wall of text about how much society sucks.
The only point of discussion could be that Zimmerman wasn't officially acting as Neighborhood Watch at the time.
Also don't call this a discussion board and tell me not to post at the same time.
[QUOTE=Florence;41546636]More ad hominem. I win, then.[/QUOTE]
You're just further proving that you're being pretentious with replies like these.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41543580]honestly I hope Ted Nugent rushes to Zimmerman's side during all of this so we can just have one big, ol' fashioned, American race war.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6CdZ4nJojA[/media]
zimmerman isn't guilty
the law is
I think CNN and MSNBC took this video to heart.
[video=youtube;bHCQA1EJiC0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCQA1EJiC0[/video]
[editline]21st July 2013[/editline]
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Fucking really?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41543091]Imagine if we could harness this power to protest the NSA/Snowden debacle.[/QUOTE]
OR any one of the considerably more legitimate cases of (often racist) police brutality that get barely any publicity, like the killing of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kenneth_Chamberlain,_Sr.]Kenneth Chamberlain[/url]
[QUOTE=Florence;41546636]More ad hominem. I win, then.[/QUOTE]
Not quite. I don't think anyone here really has the tolerance or time to break down your poorly worded wall of stupidity and misinformation to prove you wrong. I'll give it a shot later this evening.
[QUOTE=Florence;41546636]More ad hominem. I win, then.[/QUOTE]
Congratulations on winning. Your prize is nothing but being seen acting like a twelve year old.
I'd love to hear a reply from penn and teller right about now or some other celebs with half a brain.
[QUOTE=DigitalySane;41547410]I'd love to hear a reply from penn and teller right about now or some other celebs with half a brain.[/QUOTE]
I feel the word Bullshit will be exchanged
[QUOTE=Florence;41544691]It's kind of funny that the news outlets denouncing Sharpton just happen to the hardcore right-wing sites that are so prone to racism, from casual to the gross. And of course, they side with Zimmerman and paint Trayvon as a wannabe gang-banger that earned his bullet for no other reason that circlejerking over the second amendment. Ah, yes, I love it when a bunch of despicable hypocrites slap each other around when they aren't so different from each other.[/quote]
Mr. Martin "earned his bullet" by attacking Zimmerman. Zimmerman didn't approach him with his pistol drawn like you're assuming. Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head against the pavement and Zimmerman responded with lethal force, he was well within his right to do so.
[QUOTE=Florence;41544691]
Though, having said this, the people that enable Zimmerman-like situations to arise have wayyy more power and money that the entirety of Sharpton-like people ever will. What I'm talking about is this hyper-individualism which, in face of the rotting American society, does not think governmental action can fix ghettos and socioeconomic tensions based on race, etc. They resort to vulgar paranoia and black and white mentality (olol), based around a deification of individual power and authority, symbolized by guns.[/quote]
So by letting people purchase firearms and conceal carry, everyone is racist? well shit man
[QUOTE=Florence;41544691]
Think about it. Why did Zimmerman end up where he was as a neighbourhood watch? The fact that neighbourhood watches with people on the lookout for crime, with a handgun at the ready, are an actual thing in a modern society is beyond me. Where I live, a neighbourhood watch is for pompous douchebags scrutinizing their perfect little community for insignificant wrinkles, like grass a centimetre too tall. For Zimmerman though, there were burglaries and a completely ineffectual police force that can't deal with simple law enforcement. He was entirely honest in wanting to do something, that's for sure; he was obsessed by it if we take into account the repeated reports he made to the police.[/quote]
Crime sucks, yeah no shit. The issue is there and theres not much being done about it. Letting neighborhood watch volunteers CC obviously isn't the solution and it's not a very good temporary one either, but it's better than nothing.
[QUOTE=Florence;41544691]
But that came to an end because of his prejudice when he profiled - whether consciously racial or not is pretty much irrelevant as only Zimmerman knows - Trayvon that night and immediately tagged him as a "fucking punk". He stalked him in that dark, lost him - and then Trayvon confronted him for reasons we'll never know for sure. The rest is history.[/quote]
By "the rest is history" you mean Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman responded with lethal force??? I also LOVE how you're pegging Zimmerman as a huge racist, despite the fact he had a black girlfriend in Highschool and took her to prom, and mentored black children. But no, this man obviously is out to get all of them blackies!!!!
[QUOTE=Florence;41544691]In the end, his incompetence and hotheaded decision and judgement is not that far off from what you would expect from American police. Without his gun, I doubt he would've even tried to keep watch on potential criminals. But he felt powerful with it; he felt like he had authority. And power corrupts, as we all know.[/quote]
handguns are now power trips.
I love how you can assume so much about Zimmerman's personality and psychology without ever actually having met the man. It's also great how you generalize the entire American police force into being generic action movie ~loose cannons~ cops who shoot first and ask questions later. You watch too much TV bud
[QUOTE=Florence;41544691]
To me though, Zimmerman isn't a flesh and blood man anymore; he's the name of a growing disease in the incontinent American society. You know what I'm talking about. Oblivious to their own society, ignorant of diplomacy and forethought, with regressive force at the ready to solve their own little problems. But they won't think about others or society, because the only truth they know is their own. A fitting product with the kind of egotistical and inconsiderate society America encourages and has let flourish. Well, what can you say: people have the history that they can...[/quote]
God damn, I cut my finger with all the edginess in this paragraph.
I bet you know quite a bit about American society from your sheltered office inside your Canadian suburb.
[QUOTE=Florence;41544691]
[b]But whatever, just me rambling[/b][/QUOTE]
No fuckin' shit man. I really hope you don't plan to work in any sort of profession that requires you to write or edit text. Why I even bothered to pick through your incoherent ramblings is absolutely beyond me. You scouring the dictionary for large words to pad your paragraphs doesn't make your wording any less incoherent or your essay any less blatantly wrong. It would really help if you researched an issue before you wrote up an essay on it.
[QUOTE=Florence;41544691]It's kind of funny that the news outlets denouncing Sharpton just happen to the hardcore right-wing sites that are so prone to racism, from casual to the gross. And of course, they side with Zimmerman and paint Trayvon as a wannabe gang-banger that earned his bullet for no other reason that circlejerking over the second amendment. Ah, yes, I love it when a bunch of despicable hypocrites slap each other around when they aren't so different from each other.
Though, having said this, the people that enable Zimmerman-like situations to arise have wayyy more power and money that the entirety of Sharpton-like people ever will. What I'm talking about is this hyper-individualism which, in face of the rotting American society, does not think governmental action can fix ghettos and socioeconomic tensions based on race, etc. They resort to vulgar paranoia and black and white mentality (olol), based around a deification of individual power and authority, symbolized by guns.
Think about it. Why did Zimmerman end up where he was as a neighbourhood watch? The fact that neighbourhood watches with people on the lookout for crime, with a handgun at the ready, are an actual thing in a modern society is beyond me. Where I live, a neighbourhood watch is for pompous douchebags scrutinizing their perfect little community for insignificant wrinkles, like grass a centimetre too tall. For Zimmerman though, there were burglaries and a completely ineffectual police force that can't deal with simple law enforcement. He was entirely honest in wanting to do something, that's for sure; he was obsessed by it if we take into account the repeated reports he made to the police.
But that came to an end because of his prejudice when he profiled - whether consciously racial or not is pretty much irrelevant as only Zimmerman knows - Trayvon that night and immediately tagged him as a "fucking punk". He stalked him in that dark, lost him - and then Trayvon confronted him for reasons we'll never know for sure. The rest is history. In the end, his incompetence and hotheaded decision and judgement is not that far off from what you would expect from American police. Without his gun, I doubt he would've even tried to keep watch on potential criminals. But he felt powerful with it; he felt like he had authority. And power corrupts, as we all know.
To me though, Zimmerman isn't a flesh and blood man anymore; he's the name of a growing disease in the incontinent American society. You know what I'm talking about. Oblivious to their own society, ignorant of diplomacy and forethought, with regressive force at the ready to solve their own little problems. But they won't think about others or society, because the only truth they know is their own. A fitting product with the kind of egotistical and inconsiderate society America encourages and has let flourish. Well, what can you say: people have the history that they can...
But whatever, just me rambling. I probably wouldn't have anything intelligent to say about any of this anyway considering my clear race-baiting and overbearing white guilt. Now if you excuse me, I'll enjoy living in the statistically least violent place in North America :v:[/QUOTE]
L-let me open up my t-thesaurus and maybe people will actually... take... me seriously... *adjusts glasses*
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41543107]It's a really big distraction from the NSA scandal and the Bradley Manning trial. Thats most likely the reason we're seeing politicians and even the president get involved with this nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Apparently it's very effective, considering I haven't even heard of the latter. I figure that would have been all over FP.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41547582]Apparently it's very effective, considering I haven't even heard of the latter. I figure that would have been all over FP.[/QUOTE]
yep, it's worked fantastically well just about everywhere. A few days ago, the Judge in Manning's trial struck down a motion to dismiss the "aiding the enemy" charge in the trial. If I had to put my money out there, I'd bet that Obama only made the statement about Trayvon to stir up further controversy and to get major media outlets to report on him saying stupid shit again instead of reporting Manning's trial.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547650]yep, it's worked fantastically well just about everywhere. A few days ago, the Judge in Manning's trial struck down a motion to dismiss the "aiding the enemy" charge in the trial. If I had to put my money out there, I'd bet that Obama only made the statement about Trayvon to stir up further controversy and to get major media outlets to report on him saying stupid shit again instead of reporting Manning's trial.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly why I think he said anything more about the Zimmerman trial. "Hey look you gullible idiots,watch as I stir this pot and you guys eat all this shit up because you're fucking stupid so no reason to worry that you're being spied on or any of that silly nonsense. THIS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT."
Charles Barkley for president
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shODnGQJ6FU[/media]
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547431]Mr. Martin "earned his bullet" by attacking Zimmerman. Zimmerman didn't approach him with his pistol drawn like you're assuming. Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head against the pavement and Zimmerman responded with lethal force, he was well within his right to do so.[/QUOTE]
1) I was commenting on how the entire narrative has been presented by very right-wing sites with some strange romanticism that made Zimmerman squeaky clean and without reproach and Martin the literal devil roaming the neighbourhood looking for a fight.
2) Did I ever say Zimmerman had his gun drawn out before the altercation and when he was being pinned down by Martin? No, because you are engaging in a strawman argument where you assuming many things about my view of the events.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547431]So by letting people purchase firearms and conceal carry, everyone is racist? well shit man[/QUOTE]
Again, more strawman. My point was that the ideological core that fuels this problem is hyper-individualism, which in America is represented by conservatism and the GOP (both are distinct; there are conservative democrats, etc). The crux of this ideology is that government is the problem, and the less government the better. It's no surprise that the same ideology has a not-so good history regarding race matters since it considers that the individual holds most if not all responsibility, for successes and failures. This social laissez-faire, among other things, makes the historically volatile race issues in America aggravate; it perpetuate poverty among racial lines, which creates crime, etc.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547431]Crime sucks, yeah no shit. The issue is there and theres not much being done about it. Letting neighborhood watch volunteers CC obviously isn't the solution and it's not a very good temporary one either, but it's better than nothing.[/quote]
Well that's just defeatism. Nothing is being done about it because your standard politicians only act when there's something to be gained. Since society is caught up in trivial matters and gossip, and that it has accepted the status quo, things are inert.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547431]
By "the rest is history" you mean Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman responded with lethal force??? I also LOVE how you're pegging Zimmerman as a huge racist, despite the fact he had a black girlfriend in Highschool and took her to prom, and mentored black children. But no, this man obviously is out to get all of them blackies!!!![/quote]
More strawman.
1) Zimmerman did profile Trayvon as a trouble maker. Was he doing it on a trivial stereotyping basis (oh, hoodie, weird walk, black = gangster, robber?) or just paranoid about Trayvon wearing a hoodie? Doesn't matter and I'm not interested; only he knows what he thought at that moment when he started following Trayvon. But it was profiling, and rather prejudiced of him to assume so much ("fucking punk") about someone he had never met. And if you think racism is so black and white that it's either all or nothing, you've not had the conversations I've had with black friends.
2) I assumed we were going by the same story, so there was no need to say what happened next. But, we don't know what was said between them before Trayvon attacked other that Zimmerman's version; and being apparently stalked wouldn't put a hormonal sixteen year old in the best of moods. Zimmerman does have responsibility in being incompetent and confrontational. He's going to be brought to civil court over it anyways, so more padding for the media.
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handguns are now power trips.
I love how you can assume so much about Zimmerman's personality and psychology without ever actually having met the man. It's also great how you generalize the entire American police force into being generic action movie ~loose cannons~ cops who shoot first and ask questions later. You watch too much TV bud[/QUOTE]
1) I could say the same about you. I could say you are assuming too much about his personality and psychology without having met him. It's fallacious for either of us to use such an argument against the other.
2) Well, we can start going over case by case of police brutality, shootings, etc. You are welcome to defend them.
3) I don't watch TV. More ad hominem.
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God damn, I cut my finger with all the edginess in this paragraph.
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I rather be edgy than dull.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547431]I bet you know quite a bit about American society from your sheltered office inside your Canadian suburb.[/QUOTE]
Assuming I live in a suburb...
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547431]
No fuckin' shit man. I really hope you don't plan to work in any sort of profession that requires you to write or edit text. Why I even bothered to pick through your incoherent ramblings is absolutely beyond me.[/QUOTE]
More pointless ad hominem and obliviousness to the rhetorical nature of my remark...
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547431]
You scouring the dictionary for large words to pad your paragraphs doesn't make your wording any less incoherent or your essay any less blatantly wrong.[/QUOTE]
Assuming I relied on a dictionary to find my vocabulary... And I do appreciate that touch of anti-intellectualism. Blasting me for using a descriptive vocabulary isn't a mark of high critical thinking.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41547431]It would really help if you researched an issue before you wrote up an essay on it.[/QUOTE]
As I see it, both us haven't really "researched the issue" because we haven't bothered to cite anyone but our own opinion!
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I really do love some of the remarks, like Obama calculated his move like a Machiavellian genius and is using Trayvon to distract us from the NSA and Bradley Manning or some other thing. Conspiracy theory much? Oh yes, that damn Obama just had to open his mouth and comment on a loaded case that has stirred up racial tensions. It's almost as if he's the first black presi--oh. Yeah...
Silly gooses, you're underestimating the media: they don't need the Zimmerman trial to not talk about important stuff :v: !
[QUOTE=Florence;41546712]Sure you can call it dumb. But your reasons are shallow and ad hominem, which means you should stick to a simple, wordless DUMB rating and not bother posting at all if you're not ready to engage.
This is a discussion board after all.[/QUOTE]
did you just learn ad hominem in summer school or something because not only was your post ignorant but you make it seem like that will make everyone be quiet
are you going to list logical fallacies next lmao
[editline]22nd July 2013[/editline]
Oh my god he actually brought up strawman
[QUOTE=solid_jake;41548243]Oh my god he actually brought up strawman[/QUOTE]
Yes, it happens to be a logical fallacy in which someone misrepresents your position and then argues against it. Your point?
[QUOTE=Florence;41548309]Yes, it happens to be a logical fallacy in which someone misrepresents your position and then argues against it. Your point?[/QUOTE]
um your past posts don't match this new found attitude of yours
so I'm under the strong impression you just learned all of this and feel like a big stick in a small pond
[editline]22nd July 2013[/editline]
I'm also kind of laughing that I called logical fallacies next and bam there it is
[QUOTE=Florence;41548238]1)The crux of this ideology is that government is the problem, and[B] the least government the better.[/B][/QUOTE]
The automated spelling and grammar check in your word processor missed this part
[QUOTE=solid_jake;41548351]um your past posts don't match this new found attitude of yours
so I'm under the strong impression you just learned all of this and feel like a big stick in a small pond
[editline]22nd July 2013[/editline]
I'm also kind of laughing that I called logical fallacies next and bam there it is[/QUOTE]
I'm rather dismayed that when somebody actually argues and doesn't resort to pointless bickering and back and forth insults, he is seen with suspicion and mocked for being thorough and wordy.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm autistic, so it's pathological. I have an urge to try to be logical whenever possible. Which is why I almost never get involved in internet arguments since it consists of a barrage of strawman and ad hominem peppered with other fallacies.
[QUOTE=Bloodshot12;41548492]The automated spelling and grammar check in your word processor missed this part[/QUOTE]
Ooops, dyslexia kicking in. Thanks for pointing it out!
[QUOTE=Florence;41548590]I'm rather dismayed that when somebody actually argues and doesn't resort to pointless bickering and back and forth insults, he is seen with suspicion and mocked for being thorough and wordy.
[B]If you makes you feel any better, I'm autistic,[/B] so it's pathological. I have an urge to try to be logical whenever possible. Which is why I almost never get involved in internet arguments since it consists of a barrage of strawman and ad hominem peppered with other fallacies.
[B]Ooops, dyslexia kicking in.[/B] Thanks for pointing it out![/QUOTE]
nobody cares
Florence you are arguing on how to argue.
[editline]21st July 2013[/editline]
Like, your entire post is "don't ad hominem me". Had you bothered to do a quick wikipedia search on that is I think you'll be smarter about posting in the future. Nobody is attacking you due to your past records of what you did and who you are and even if we wanted to, we still couldn't because this is an online forum and we don't know or care who you are.
Instead they're calling you out how your posts are thinner than the edge of printing paper. You take "I hate conservatives" and "Zimmerman is racist", combine them together, and span it out over an essay like a rubber band.
[QUOTE=Florence;41548238]more aimless and pointless ramblings[/QUOTE]
honestly, I figured you would have seen how stupid you looked and given up, I didn't think you'd be serious enough to reply back. I don't feel like wasting my sunday evening arguing, with an apparently autistic child. you win and all that stuff yaddah yaddah yaddah.
Oh, I do win dearest Trunk Monkay, for you have all been played like a fiddle.
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[QUOTE=Florence;41548772]Oh, I do win dearest Trunk Monkay, for you have all been played like a fiddle.[/QUOTE]
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