• Valve has a new "Agreement Binding Arbitration Clause" and it's not good at all.
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I like how people read the title and then go off starting arguments when they have no idea what's going on.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37027725]If this was EA people would flipping out.[/QUOTE] EA allready does this as far as I know.
[quote][B]Arbitration[/B], a form of alternative dispute resolution (ADR), is a legal technique for the resolution of disputes outside the courts, where the parties to a dispute refer it to one or more persons (the "arbitrators", "arbiters" or "arbitral tribunal"), by whose decision (the "award") they agree to be bound. It is a resolution technique in which a third party reviews the evidence in the case and imposes a decision that is legally binding for both sides and enforceable.[1] Other forms of ADR include mediation[2] (a form of settlement negotiation facilitated by a neutral third party) and non-binding resolution by experts. Arbitration is often used for the resolution of commercial disputes, particularly in the context of international commercial transactions. The use of arbitration is also frequently employed in consumer and employment matters, where arbitration may be mandated by the terms of employment or commercial contracts.[/quote]
Kotaku being sensationalist retards as usual.
Ok guys not gonna put up a kotaku article from this thread from now on. Forgive me for mentioning the "not good at all" and "beginning of the end". Hope that Valve would do nothing irrational for consumers not to distrust them.
Didn't Sony do the same thing? It backfired horribly for them
also Valve is opening an office in Luxembourg for better support and stuff for European customers, that's cool
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;37027958]Didn't Sony do the same thing? It backfired horribly for them[/QUOTE] Probably because they also tried to slip it in the middle of that cluster fuck of a security breach they had.
[QUOTE=Banned?;37028040]Probably because they also tried to slip it in the middle of that cluster fuck of a security breach they had.[/QUOTE]And the series of class action lawsuits brought forth by their customers. [editline]31st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The Baconator;37027981]also Valve is opening an office in Luxembourg for better support and stuff for European customers, that's cool[/QUOTE]Which may mean better pricing for you Europeans with your silly currencies.
So basically it just protects Valve from people being greedy capitalist dicks and saying 'I didn't get this game on x release date I got it the day after so I'm suing you $9999 for emotional damages' and instead facilitates the use of smaller courts and limited (most would say 'reasonable') compensation for whatever has gone wrong? Sounds good to me
You can't sue the game company that's least likely to make people mad. Oh god oh no.
I really don't see the problem here
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;37027678][B]e:[/B] And as the article failed to mention, [B]TL;DR [/B] So with this agreement update if they screw up they still fix the problem and nobody can serve them a crap class-action "damages" suit. It also prevents large individual lawsuits looking for obscene amounts of money for negligible reasons, while agreeing to respond to problems in a suitable way. If you disagree with the reimbursement Valve gives you, they will pay for your arbitration or a small claims court visit to solve the dispute. Sounds good to me. Valve's official notice: [URL]http://store.steampowered.com/news/8523/[/URL][/QUOTE] Seems fairly reasonable to me; a layer of protection against spurious litigation that trolls and idiots like to do so much.
it's ok i just won't ever restart steam then i won't have to agree to them right?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37027769]Actually, people are reading it and noticing that whoever wrote the quoted article is a twat and intentionally misinterpreting what they are saying.[/QUOTE] yes hi its gawker media never take gawker media serious
[QUOTE=Cheeseist;37027772] You are a giant faggot on steam who scams people and shit and your account suspeneded they can go fuck off[/QUOTE] yeah those fuckin queer ass thieves
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37027725]If this was EA people would flipping out.[/QUOTE] except EA has had a worse version of this in their shit since the dawn of time
When Sony/EA did this, most of FP flipped their shit. Steam does it, it's ok? Please explain to me how in any way at all it's ok that by clicking "I Agree" you just signed away your right to use the justice system. EDIT: Before you jump on the bandwagon of retards who didn't read the new Steam Subscriber Agreement and rate this dumb, read this: [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1202144&p=37035554&viewfull=1#post37035554[/URL] Oh and read this too for good measure: [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1202144&p=37031613&viewfull=1#post37031613[/URL][URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1202144&p=37035554&viewfull=1#post37035554"] [/URL]
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37028487]When Sony/EA did this, most of FP flipped their shit. Steam does it, it's ok? Please explain to me how in any way at all it's ok that by clicking "I Agree" you just signed away your right to use the justice system.[/QUOTE]You could try reading the thread. Its not that hard.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;37027929]I like how people read the title and then go off starting arguments when they have no idea what's going on.[/QUOTE] welcome to facepunch...
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37028487]When Sony/EA did this, most of FP flipped their shit. Steam does it, it's ok? Please explain to me how in any way at all it's ok that by clicking "I Agree" you just signed away your right to use the justice system.[/QUOTE] This is slightly different to EA's method of doing this.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37028487]When Sony/EA did this, most of FP flipped their shit. Steam does it, it's ok? Please explain to me how in any way at all it's ok that by clicking "I Agree" you just signed away your right to use the justice system.[/QUOTE] "Instead of reading the thread I'll just make an uninformed post!"
[QUOTE=Splarg!;37028145]You can't sue the game company that's least likely to make people mad. Oh god oh no.[/QUOTE] That is the most idiotic reason to not be upset about your rights being taken away "Oh yeah I can't say whatever I want here in Sweden, doesn't really matter though because what do I have to complain about!"
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37028487]When Sony/EA did this, most of FP flipped their shit. Steam does it, it's ok? Please explain to me how in any way at all it's ok that by clicking "I Agree" you just signed away your right to use the justice system.[/QUOTE] Reeeeaaad the threeeeaaad.
I'd like to point out before you guys, instead of giving a logical argument, just throw boxes at me, that I never said that what Valve did is bad or anything.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37028608]That is the most idiotic reason to not be upset about your rights being taken away "Oh yeah I can't say whatever I want here in Sweden, doesn't really matter though because what do I have to complain about!"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Clementine;37028646]I'd like to point out before you guys, instead of giving a logical argument, just throw boxes at me, that I never said that what Valve did is bad or anything.[/QUOTE] Logical argument: This doesn't prevent you from suing Valve. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1202144&p=37027678&viewfull=1#post37027678"]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread....1#post37027678[/URL] You can keep the box.
All they're trying to do is prevent attorneys from receiving every benefit from lawsuits, because with the way most lawsuits unfold only ends up with the attorneys gaining anything. They did this to prevent that, plus out of any game company I feel valve is the last one that would compel a regular customer to class action.
I dont see a problem with this at all and its not because I think valve is a good company or anything its because of a few reasons. -In the arbitration process, Valve will reimburse your costs of the arbitration for claims under a certain amount. Reimbursement by Valve is provided regardless of the arbitrator’s decision, provided that the arbitrator does not determine the claim to be frivolous or the costs unreasonable. -You can still take them to small claims court or an arbitrator -its 3rd party and nonprofit -They will even pay for the arbitrator If anything this is a good thing because now people can get refunds if you try hard enough.
I still have no idea what is going on or what any of this means. Can you please help a stupid fellow out?
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;37028725]Logical argument: This doesn't prevent you from suing Valve. [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1202144&p=37027678&viewfull=1#post37027678[/URL] You can keep the box.[/QUOTE] Yeah where did I say that they took away our right to sue them? Here's a box for being an idiot.
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