• Police Choke Asthmatic Man to Death
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[QUOTE=zakedodead;45431180]Its his fault for having asthma? Nope not blaming the victim at all.[/QUOTE] It's not his fault for having asthma. It's his fault for resisting arrest. [QUOTE=daschnek;45431018]Of course you shouldn't resist arrest, but in this case there's no evidence that he was violent at all or even had any intent to be violent. There was no situation that needed to be "tamed" through the use of violence. They used violence anyways, and he died because of that.[/QUOTE] How do you arrest someone that's resisting arrest? By using force. It sucks that this happened, but really, how else would you handle this situation?
maybe they should have asked nicely and a rainbow should have come down from the sky Morgan Freeman would then walk down from the rainbow and give everyone cotton candy. also did you even watch the video? considering how much that guy was yelling personally I'd expect him to have great lung capacity.
Why is kidnapping legal if you happen to be a cop.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;45431204]Why is kidnapping legal if you happen to be a cop.[/QUOTE] Where the fuck did you pull this one from lmao
Police appears to be rather more brutal in N. America than in Europe. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dquu65afmHE[/media] vs [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYifL5uI_18[/media]
ah yes a staged video that is very obviously going for the "yeah cops can be cool too guys!" angle vs a prank in which a cop acts out of line. the hypest of comparisons
[QUOTE=godfatherk;45431492]Police appears to be rather more brutal in N. America than in Europe. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dquu65afmHE[/media] vs [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYifL5uI_18[/media][/QUOTE] great job using only 2 examples and also using examples that are staged anyways, therefore being pretty useless oh and for generalizing.
People are saying his asthma played a role, but I still don't know why choke holds are standard procedure when subduing somebody. Yes, cutting off oxygen supply can make somebody awfully complacent, but it risks causing a variety of other problems - like death. I mean somebody could squeeze too hard and damage vital structures, or just choke for too long. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to me. Well, that and the fact that witnesses seem to disagree he did anything wrong at all meaning the arrest and subsequent resisting of that arrest which lead to him being choked out might have been wholly unnecessary.
[QUOTE=Medevila;45431650]He's being arrested for selling untaxed cigarettes on the street, and in his yelling basically admits he did it[/QUOTE] I just watched it again and I can't find a single part where he cops to selling cigarettes or even suggests it
[QUOTE=Medevila;45431650]He's being arrested for selling untaxed cigarettes on the street, and in his yelling basically admits he did it[/QUOTE] All he is yelling is that the cops keep harassing him and he wants to be left alone, maybe the cops are always on him because he is suspected to sell cigarettes to kids? The video doesn't really prove anything other than then more cops pouring in on a man who is face first on the ground handcuffed and going "I can't breathe". Not sure how that doesn't count as brutality. Before that it wasn't all that bad.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;45430488]Saying he was choked to death isn't sensational its just not right. He was in a choke hold for about 5 seconds, not enough time to even knock him out. I would assume the asthma attack was triggered by him getting worked up and the physical activity.[/QUOTE] I never saw the police choke holding anyone in germany.
[QUOTE=s0beit;45431617]People are saying his asthma played a role, but I still don't know why choke holds are standard procedure when subduing somebody. Yes, cutting off oxygen supply can make somebody awfully complacent, but it risks causing a variety of other problems - like death. I mean somebody could squeeze too hard and damage vital structures, or just choke for too long. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to me. Well, that and the fact that witnesses seem to disagree he did anything wrong at all meaning the arrest and subsequent resisting of that arrest which lead to him being choked out might have been wholly unnecessary.[/QUOTE] When they're choking someone they dont put pressure on the wind pipe they put it over the veins and arteries that supply blood to the brain causing them to pass out from a lack of oxygen to the brain. The cop choking him probably thought he was just being a shit yelling that for sympathy. Also if they were putting pressure on the wind pipe the guy wouldn't have said shit.
[QUOTE=Medevila;45431650]He's being arrested for selling untaxed cigarettes on the street, [b]and in his yelling basically admits he did it[/b][/QUOTE] Where? I don't hear that at all.
World star hip hop style attack?
[QUOTE=Senscith;45432362]When they're choking someone they dont put pressure on the wind pipe they put it over the veins and arteries that supply blood to the brain causing them to pass out from a lack of oxygen to the brain. The cop choking him probably thought he was just being a shit yelling that for sympathy. Also if they were putting pressure on the wind pipe the guy wouldn't have said shit.[/QUOTE] Cool. It's just unfortunate that has nothing to do with my post.
[QUOTE=on the map;45430844][URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ae_1405660548[/URL] Because it's totally justified right? It's not like he was begging them to get off saying he can't breath multiple times while they pushed his face into the concrete when he didn't even try to attack one of the officers? Fuck off if you think this wasn't police brutality.[/QUOTE] I find it hard to believe this kid would record cops talking to a guy instead of a street fight. Not to mention the guy was resisting. You don't just get to say "don't touch me" to a cop when they're detaining or arresting you. And with a 400 pound guy going up against some scrawny dudes you can always expect the cops to act before the person can retaliate which is what happened here. As a matter of circumstance, the guy couldn't handle the situation and the stress from being taken down gave him an asthma attack that killed him. Nobody could've predicted this outcome, you might be on the map but you're off your mind.
You don't put someone in a chokehold and expect things to go well. I learned this the hard way when I was wrestling and accidentally made my brother go unconscious after a few seconds. Even if you don't have asthma, physical activity will drain the oxygen from your muscles, brain, ect., which makes one even more susceptable to a chokehold. This guy was 400 pounds, he wasn't going anywhere, and on top of that, he probably would have trouble breathing without asthma. These policeman were thinking with their brawn, and likely were poorly trained in dealing with unique situations involving the disabled. Regardless of how you look at this negligance killed this man, the question is how could this have been prevented. And don't point the finger at the uncooperative victim, non-lethal force should be a law enforcements top priority in an innocent until proven society.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;45433488]I find it hard to believe this kid would record cops talking to a guy instead of a street fight. Not to mention the guy was resisting. You don't just get to say "don't touch me" to a cop when they're detaining or arresting you. And with a 400 pound guy going up against some scrawny dudes you can always expect the cops to act before the person can retaliate which is what happened here. As a matter of circumstance, the guy couldn't handle the situation and the stress from being taken down gave him an asthma attack that killed him. Nobody could've predicted this outcome, you might be on the map but you're off your mind.[/QUOTE] If you have asthma, you probably shouldn't be yelling like that and doing things that will cause you to have an asthma attack anyways its like snowboarding with a heart condition. only this time it's anger that is out of control. If you can snowboard with asthma, then snowboard, but if you do and you are going out of your medical limits then that's a bad thing. (Obviously though, you knowingly and willingly snowboard, so that is totally different then getting angry) and hey people get stressed but you can't afford to be stressed out when you have a medical condition. As shitty as it is to hear, you have to manage your limits. [editline]18th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=3picFail;45433796]You don't put someone in a chokehold and expect things to go well. I learned this the hard way when I was wrestling and accidentally made my brother go unconscious after a few seconds. Even if you don't have asthma, physical activity will drain the oxygen from your muscles, brain, ect., which makes one even more susceptable to a chokehold. This guy was 400 pounds, he wasn't going anywhere, and on top of that, he probably would have trouble breathing without asthma. These policeman were thinking with their brawn, and likely were poorly trained in dealing with unique situations involving the disabled. Regardless of how you look at this negligance killed this man, the question is how could this have been prevented. And don't point the finger at the uncooperative victim, non-lethal force should be a law enforcements top priority in an innocent until proven society.[/QUOTE] They tried non lethal force. And just becaues he's fat doesn't mean anything. you forget, fat doesn't mean you can't pick an entire man up and throw them, in fact, it just makes you a bigger weight to push. [video=youtube;OWxlZ52O0rI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxlZ52O0rI[/video] [video=youtube;dyA4kW-Y5rE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyA4kW-Y5rE[/video] fat people can make the worst people you will ever fight if they have proper muscle. They will fuck you up. of course, weight is very unhealthy to have but, still.
[QUOTE=Medevila;45431174]He's a very large man who didn't want to be arrested, how do you better suggest the arrest have been conducted?[/QUOTE] If what was said about the events that unfolded, I suggest the arrest shouldn't have occurred at all, it seems pretty pointless doesn't it. But I am unaware of the full story so I can't say that with 100% certainty. And after watching the video there was absolutely no reason whatsoever that the officer who had him in the choke hold needed to hold it for that long. The man had subdued yet he still held the hold for at least 5 to 10 seconds. [QUOTE=LZTYBRN;45431124]As a reaction to someone who is agitated and trying to escape it's perfectly within the bounds of force usage. watch the video. He tries to escape the first guy that grabs him by backing him up into a wall while he's clinging on his back, only after that do the other cops jump in, because at that point an officer is in danger[/QUOTE] What are you talking about, no one was pinned against a wall. The only person who was backed into a wall was the black guy, he never threatened an officer period. He did resist arrest for a few seconds, I will give them that and I agree that warrants [i]some[/i] force. It does not warrant the (in my own personal opinion) excessive force that the one officer used that choked the shit out of him. I don't even disagree with that specific move per-say, but he without a doubt held it longer than he needed to.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;45431726]I never saw the police choke holding anyone in germany.[/QUOTE] germany isnt even half the size of america seriously eurofags use this argument "never see cops needing guns in x country" america is a huge place with very differing cultures all around. this probably happened in the intercity where the police are trained to take down huge motherfuckers like this one and werent taking any shit when he said he couldnt breath
He should have complied with the officer's demands. Yes it's bullshit, yes they are hassling him because he's black. That cigarettes thing is too ridiculous to even acknowledge, you mean NYPD doesn't have anything better for these cops to be doing? Still, if you challenge the cops you will lose. They will pummel the shit out of you, if they don't shoot you instead. The place you can win is in court later, but you have to survive to get there. That's why you put your hands behind your back when they tell you to do so.
Resisting arrest is quite a guilty act in my opinion, man that size can do a lot of damage, can't just pin them down, a chokehold was needed. The media is such fucking assholes, ALWAYS against police
[QUOTE=Subby;45435402]Resisting arrest is quite a guilty act in my opinion, man that size can do a lot of damage, can't just pin them down, a chokehold was needed. The media is such fucking assholes, ALWAYS against police[/QUOTE] A lot of it is also general stupidity. People never are satisfied with the police, even when they are totally in the right and haven't done anything wrong. Just stop paying attention to their opinions; they're worthless armchair calls.
You guys love mocking the police, but when another large asthmatic black man terrorizes your neighborhood you'll be begging for the police. They've neutralized another menace.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;45431726]I never saw the police choke holding anyone in germany.[/QUOTE] I've yet to witness police brutality here as well, but I've read about quite a few claims and cases of police brutality and abuse of power in bavaria
Sick of the "cops are looking for a fight shit", trust me, they don't want it as they are not paid enough. 99.9% of the time it is the member of the public who is a genuine piece of shit.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;45430720]lmfao do you honestly think the cop meant to kill the guy?? I'm not saying it's morally acceptable, it was an unfortunate and terrible accident. You can't blame the cop for not knowing the dude had asthma jesus fucking christ[/QUOTE] If what they said about him having a history was true, they had to know he was asthmatic, which makes choke holds a REALLY FUCKING BAD IDEA.
[QUOTE=Crimor;45435831]If what they said about him having a history was true, they had to know he was asthmatic, which makes choke holds a REALLY FUCKING BAD IDEA.[/QUOTE] Chocking or "pilling on top" people is generally a bad idea. That's [b]NOT[/b] how you make an arrest. Communication and restraint techniques are the key for the operation. Simple communication errors can lead to aggression. You don't know if the man just have been at a surgery, have asthmatic or any disorders that can be fatal.
Apparently he went into cardiac arrest and the police just stood next to him and didn't bother to initiate CPR forgive me if this was posted before
[video=youtube;rMb-teDR-dI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMb-teDR-dI[/video] This is the video
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