More teens smoke pot than cigarettes, says CDC survey - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/01/11282/marijuana-shown-be-less-damaging-lungs-tobacco[/URL] [URL]http://www.drugpolicy.org/facts/drug-facts/marijuana-facts[/URL] The first site is about a study conducted by the University of Alabama-Birmingham. The second site, at first glance, is some pro-marijuana hoo haah mess, but all the facts have legitimate citations.

[QUOTE=Delta616;36266783]He did ask for a citation. But that doesn't change the fact that cigarettes are very dangerous to your health and the health of the people around you, and ignoring those facts isn't going to make them go away.[/QUOTE] ignoring what facts a list of 500 chemical names isn't a fact

ITT: nobody wins. If you smoke weed your stupid If you smoke Cigarettes your stupid. If you don't smoke your stupid. Everyone is locked in a stubborn faction war that isn't going to change anyone or anything at any time ever no matter what is said. Everyone is wasting their time trying to convince the opposing side just how good/ not good their drug is. Everyone demands citations and when they're provided, the studies are just labeled as "biased" and "shitty" or wrong. Absolutely nothing is being accomplished except ruined chances of new friendships that could have been made by people agreeing to fucking disagree. Seriously people, quit the shit storm. [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;36267033]ignoring what facts a list of 500 chemical names isn't a fact[/QUOTE] Right because he just fucking typed that up at random on the spot. You're the worst out of all of them.

The way it should be, honestly. Replace all cigarettes with weed. Except cigars, they're cool.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36267033]ignoring what facts a list of 500 chemical names isn't a fact[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you are actually this much of a moronic when it comes to stuff like this, or trolling.

[QUOTE=Delta616;36267070]I can't tell if you are actually this much of a moronic when it comes to stuff like this, or trolling.[/QUOTE] can you even read I ask somebody for a citation and you're going on a rant about how I'm ignoring facts

[QUOTE=Delta616;36267070]I can't tell if you are actually this much of a moronic when it comes to stuff like this, or trolling.[/QUOTE] Think of it this way. His posts are so bad, and so stupid. Someone actually found it worth their hard earned money to buy him a fucking title, and warn innocent users of his noxious stupidity.

someone please tell me what facts I'm ignoring because I'm really confused and scared right now

[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267045] Right because he just fucking typed that up at random on the spot. You're the worst out of all of them.[/QUOTE] You know where he got the list from? [url]http://www.tricountycessation.org/tobaccofacts/Cigarette-Ingredients.html[/url] You know why that's iffy? The CDC and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services require tobacco companies that manufacture and import tobacco to report the ingredients. However, the companies consider them trade secrets which means they cannot be released to the public. Do you see where the conflict resides?

[QUOTE=Sanius;36267086]can you even read I ask somebody for a citation and you're going on a rant about how I'm ignoring facts[/QUOTE] All those commercials about the tobacco companies were just made up lies and all of the statistics showing the DEFINITE results of what cigarettes do to your fucking body were just a huge load of bullshit all in the name of smearing the tobacco companies who clearly are a benevolent deity and not just another major corporation who isn't after your money. Do you even listen to yourself or are you just trolling?

[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267045] Everyone demands citations and when they're provided, the studies are just labeled as "biased" and "shitty" or wrong. [/QUOTE] You have no idea how hard it is to hold my composure right now. Someone claims there are 4000+ harmful chemicals in cigarettes. That's a pretty fucking BIG claim to make, and should be accompanied by a citation. I hope you never become a lawyer oh my god.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267107]All those commercials about the tobacco companies were just made up lies and all of the statistics showing the DEFINITE results of what cigarettes do to your fucking body were just a huge load of bullshit all in the name of smearing the tobacco companies who clearly are a benevolent deity and not just another major corporation who isn't after your money. Do you even listen to yourself or are you just trolling?[/QUOTE] dude I asked for a citation for a list of chemicals I didn't say anything about tobacco company conspiracies what the fuck is your issue

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;36267103]You know where he got the list from? [url]http://www.tricountycessation.org/tobaccofacts/Cigarette-Ingredients.html[/url] You know why that's iffy? The CDC and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services require tobacco companies that manufacture and import tobacco to report the ingredients. However, the companies consider them trade secrets which means they cannot be released to the public. Do you see where the conflict resides?[/QUOTE] are you serious. have you EVER looked at the nutritional facts on a container of ANYTHING and looked at the bottom where there usually resides a HUGE list of INGREDIENTS? The trade secret is the amounts and how their actually crafted.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267107]All those commercials about the tobacco companies were just made up lies and all of the statistics showing the DEFINITE results of what cigarettes do to your fucking body were just a huge load of bullshit all in the name of smearing the tobacco companies who clearly are a benevolent deity and not just another major corporation who isn't after your money. Do you even listen to yourself or are you just trolling?[/QUOTE] He isn't disagreeing that they're harmful jesus christ have you ever passed a Rhetoric and Composition course.

You two are really good at only reading the bits and pieces of my posts you want to read. Have a nice day. [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;36267120]dude I asked for a citation for a list of chemicals I didn't say anything about tobacco company conspiracies what the fuck is your issue[/QUOTE] The golden thing is neither did I :v:

Please read the whole thread and reassess where everyone's position is.

So you're defending something you don't agree with. ok

I smoke alot of weed, and every once and a while I smoke a cigarette, I see absolutely 0 problem with this.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267172]So you're defending something you don't agree with. ok[/QUOTE] you're taking unbased assumptions to a whole new level which I can't even begin to wrap my head around neither of us have stated our positions on tobacco during your tangent

[QUOTE=Kel|oggs;36267203]I smoke alot of weed, and every once and a while I smoke a cigarette, I see absolutely 0 problem with this.[/QUOTE] While I do not agree with smoking a lot of weed, as I believe moderation is good in all things, I still support your freedom to partake in any substance you wish for any amount of time or dosage. Let's agree to disagree. Hi, I'm BigOwl, and I also smoke weed. We have something in common. Let's be friends and not start a pointless shitstorm over monotonous retarded facts like where the list of chemicals in an obviously unhealthy product came from. See? Not hard.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267234] Let's agree to disagree. Hi, I'm BigOwl, and I also smoke weed. We have something in common. Let's be friends and not start a pointless shitstorm over monotonous retarded facts like where the list of chemicals in an obviously unhealthy product came from. See? Not hard.[/QUOTE] Hi, I am Delta 616, and I smoke weed for it's awesome health benefits, Cannabis basically cured me of asthma weather it was the medicinal properties of smoking or vaporizing it, and the countless uses of hemp products in general it's many uses are a big part of my health today.

BigOwl. I want you to read this carefully. I can't speak for Sanius, but I am not saying cigarettes are not harmful. They are harmful, much more so than marijuana I believe. What I am saying, is that a claim as big as the one that was made (4000+ harmful chemicals in a cigarette) should be backed up with legitimate evidence. Do you understand?

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;36267325]BigOwl. I want you to read this carefully. I can't speak for Sanius, but I am not saying cigarettes are not harmful. They are harmful, much more so than marijuana I believe. What I am saying, is that a claim as big as the one that was made (4000+ harmful chemicals in a cigarette) should be backed up with legitimate evidence. Do you understand?[/QUOTE] A source was provided for you. What else could you possibly want?

Kids on Facepunch use the argument " Any kind of smoke is bad for you" Well do I have news for you! Everything is fucking bad for you in some way or another. A cheeseburger might not be the best thing for you, but it's loaded with nutrition. Point is, some people here who don't smoke weed are arguing about health risks, but completely ignoring the health benefits. ( Most people here ).

[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267341]A source was provided for you. What else could you possibly want?[/QUOTE] he provided the source because you wouldn't [editline]1[/editline] a source

[QUOTE=BigOwl;36267341]A source was provided for you. What else could you possibly want?[/QUOTE] A source was provided with a list of 599 harmful chemicals, not 4000. Please read the thread.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36267350]he provided the source because you wouldn't[/QUOTE] So he managed to pound the nail into his own skull and still didn't get the point. I also provided an argument as to why it was indeed a legitimate source that contradicted his argument as to why it was not which he shockingly never responded to, an issue I've already addressed once. On top of that you failed to catch the point of my first fucking post. Are we just about done here, or do you wanna keep earning that title? [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Warriorx4;36267358]A source was provided with a list of 599 harmful chemicals, not 4000. Please read the thread.[/QUOTE] So let me get this straight your ENTIRE fucking argument is based on the NUMBER of how many terrible chemicals are in a cigarette? And that you understand cigarettes are terrible for you regardless of HOW MUCH random shit is in there? I made the mistake of thinking you were arguing something that made a fucking difference. You are the future of spergs.

The ad-hominem is strong with you. I am not defending cigarettes. Let me repeat. I am not defending cigarettes. I'll type it out again. I am not defending cigarettes. I am trying to correct an error. You CANNOT make a claim without a citation in the real world. You will get thrown out of court for that, you will be laughed at by the tribunal, the council will ask you to leave, you cannot do that.

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;36267358]A source was provided with a list of 599 harmful chemicals, not 4000. Please read the thread.[/QUOTE] Does this whole argument is based on the amount of harmless things are in Cigs? Seriously?

[QUOTE=Delta616;36267414]Does this whole argument is based on the amount of harmless things are in Cigs? Seriously?[/QUOTE] no this entire argument was about citing claims I have no idea what it's about right now