Boy, 11, accused of killing 8-year-old girl with shotgun - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ccg;48840293]Lol, juvie then prison. I'm sure he's old enough to be charged as an adult.[/QUOTE] He's borderline.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;48840295]children don't really understand the consequences of their actions.[/QUOTE] But at that age they do understand something like that is extremely fucked up and wrong. He probably doesnt fully realize just HOW fucked up it is or how much he just destroyed multiple lives, including his own. He should know at 11 that what he did isnt okay.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48840299]He's borderline.[/QUOTE] In the eyes of the state he isn't.

Will the father be barred from owning guns in the future? He seems to be unable to store them responsibly and keep them out of the reach of his children.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48840306]But at that age they do understand something like that is extremely fucked up and wrong. He probably doesnt fully realize just HOW fucked up it is or how much he just destroyed multiple lives, including his own. He should know at 11 that what he did isnt okay.[/QUOTE] Understanding it's not okay and understanding the consequences are two totally different things. It's not like knowing it's not okay has ever stopped a kid from doing something stupid. Kids are rather stupid overall.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48840412]Will the father be barred from owning guns in the future? He seems to be unable to store them responsibly and keep them out of the reach of his children.[/QUOTE] Child endangerment is probably a felony, so yes he likely will be barred from owning firearms.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48840413]Understanding it's not okay and understanding the consequences are two totally different things. It's not like knowing it's not okay has ever stopped a kid from doing something stupid. Kids are rather stupid overall.[/QUOTE] I think anyone at any age should be able to tell that killing another human being is a very, very bad thing.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;48840295]children don't really understand the consequences of their actions.[/QUOTE] I dunno man, its not like he was 6 or 7 here, he was 11. by your pre-teen years I think most kids have an understanding of death and the long term consequences

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48840417]I think anyone at any age should be able to tell that killing another human being is a very, very bad thing.[/QUOTE] But did he know what he was doing would result in death? Because if his parents had guns readily available, I doubt they bothered to educate him properly on that stuff.They seem too irresponsible.

I don't mean to be 'that guy', but God forbid they find a copy of GTA:V (or any violent game) in that 11yo's room.. it could have easily been a heavily influence on such a young mind.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48840486]But did he know what he was doing would result in death? Because if his parents had guns readily available, I doubt they bothered to educate him properly on that stuff.They seem too irresponsible.[/QUOTE] Uhh yeah. Did you not know guns could kill people by age 11? This wasnt some kid in some uncivilized tribe somewhere.

[QUOTE=pentium;48839945]I want to know more about what the fuck else happened in that house to make a toddler so fucking cold.[/QUOTE] Doesn't necessarily have to be something that has happened. Reduced expression of the gene MAOA-L has been linked with a predisposition towards psychopathy. Some people are simply inherently born psychopaths, some are born with the low expression of MAOA-L without actual psychopathic tendencies (usually mitigated by a safe and loving environment during childhood) while others develop it later on, and some people with a normal MAOA-L expression acquire psychopathic traits later in life (mental trauma or physical alterations usually to the ventromedial prefrontal cortex and the orbitofrontal cortex).

Not even my 8 year old cousin has this lack of a grasp on reality

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48840486]But did he know what he was doing would result in death? Because if his parents had guns readily available, I doubt they bothered to educate him properly on that stuff.They seem too irresponsible.[/QUOTE] Unless he's been locked in a basement for an age I would of thought that he has seen enough movies and played enough games or even watched news coverage to realise that guns are capable of causing death. He's 11 years old not 11 months.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48840600]Uhh yeah. Did you not know guns could kill people by age 11? This wasnt some kid in some uncivilized tribe somewhere.[/QUOTE] An 11 year old isn't going to deeply understand the repercussions of his own actions. You hold his psyche up as though he was a full grown adult who knows his way around morals and ethics, but he doesn't. This is an adolescent who most likely grew up in a culture that glorifies guns and violence. How could he understand what it actually means to empty a round of birdshot into someone else? Sure he might have had a vague grasp that shooting someone would hurt them, but certainly not in the same way that an adult would see it. Am I saying the kid should get off scott-free? Of course not. This is a tragedy, no matter how you slice it. Two families(maybe more) were completely ruined on an impulsive action and bad parenting.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;48840295]children don't really understand the consequences of their actions.[/QUOTE] What kind of child thinks that "Oh, she didn't let me see their puppies, [B]I know[/B], I'm gonna grab a shotgun and shot her"? There's kids having no idea how to use guns, and then there's [B]this[/B]

[QUOTE=aznz888;48840944]An 11 year old isn't going to deeply understand the repercussions of his own actions. You hold his psyche up as though he was a full grown adult who knows his way around morals and ethics, but he doesn't. This is an adolescent who most likely grew up in a culture that glorifies guns and violence. How could he understand what it actually means to empty a round of birdshot into someone else? Sure he might have had a vague grasp that shooting someone would hurt them, but certainly not in the same way that an adult would see it. Am I saying the kid should get off scott-free? Of course not. This is a tragedy, no matter how you slice it. Two families(maybe more) were completely ruined on an impulsive action and bad parenting.[/QUOTE] I already said that the kid wont deeply understand his actions though in my first post. But he is old enough to understand that guns can and do kill. That you should NEVER point a gun at someone, or shoot someone. Yes at 11 years old you should know, especially if brought up in gun culture going by what you said, that shooting someone with a gun will kill them or hurt them a lot. The kid is fucked in the head in more ways than one. He knew he was gonna kill someone.

Wow nice guns are great right America? any other 11 year old kid needs some good ol' American protection?

You know what, I'm not usually the kind to advocate for Machiavellian methods, but I think this can be justified if done correctly. If only the boy had improperly loaded the gun and shot himself. Then he would have eliminated his messed up self from the gene pool. Actually, that's a great idea. How about the punishment for any child who commits murder with the intent to kill, is to be shot by a firing squad consisting of their closest family members? Once this happens to one family, every other gun toting redneck S.O.B. would think twice before choosing not to lock his gun up. Ruling by fear is the only practical solution to gun violence at this point.

[QUOTE=adamsz;48843759]You know what, I'm not usually the kind to advocate for Machiavellian methods, but I think this can be justified if done correctly. If only the boy had improperly loaded the gun and shot himself. Then he would have eliminated his messed up self from the gene pool. Actually, that's a great idea. How about the punishment for any child who commits murder with the intent to kill, is to be shot by a firing squad consisting of their closest family members? Once this happens to one family, every other gun toting redneck S.O.B. would think twice before choosing not to lock his gun up. Ruling by fear is the only practical solution to gun violence at this point.[/QUOTE] What. [QUOTE=karlosfandango;48840925]Unless he's been locked in a basement for an age I would of thought that he has seen enough movies and played enough games or even watched news coverage to realise that guns are capable of causing death. He's 11 years old not 11 months.[/QUOTE] Back in the realm of sanity, I'm pretty sure he consciously was trying to kill her. In the article its stated he had bullied the girl ever since they had met and it took the school administration to get him to stop. Its really depressing to see that.

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;48843819]idk about you guys, but at 11 years old I had an understanding that guns are things that which make things splatter people onto walls and kill them[/QUOTE] That is the major issue with the "he's only a minor" excuse. I remember learning if you don't have a conscious by the age of 7, you never will. Giving kids a slap on the wrist is only going to kick the can down the road until it bites us in the ass when he decides to shoot somebody else who angers him.

[QUOTE=Joe_the_fish;48843378]Wow nice guns are great right America? any other 11 year old kid needs some good ol' American protection?[/QUOTE] your implying americans think this is good this isnt an issue of the gun, its the issue of irresponsible parents

Hang him!

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48840412]Will the father be barred from owning guns in the future? He seems to be unable to store them responsibly and keep them out of the reach of his children.[/QUOTE]Oh, most definitely unless the DA is a fucking moron. Both parents will likely be charged with at least involuntary manslaughter and criminal negligence, and once you're a felon in this country you can never legally own firearms again. [editline]6th October 2015[/editline] [I]legally[/I] Doesn't stop gangbangers and other shitheads though.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48844509]Oh, most definitely unless the DA is a fucking moron. Both parents will likely be charged with at least involuntary manslaughter and criminal negligence, and once you're a felon in this country you can never legally own firearms again. [editline]6th October 2015[/editline] [I]legally[/I] Doesn't stop gangbangers and other shitheads though.[/QUOTE] Laws don't stop criminals from owning guns at all, that's the point. More laws with 300 million legally owned guns and millions of other unknown ones will do more harm than good.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48844522]Laws don't stop criminals from owning guns at all, that's the point. More laws with 300 million legally owned guns and millions of other unknown ones will do more harm than good.[/QUOTE] If a law made to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals doesn't work, don't you think you should look closely at why that is the case rather than go "welp, that's just the way things are" and go on with your life?

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48844757]If a law made to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals doesn't work, don't you think you should look closely at why that is the case rather than go "welp, that's just the way things are" and go on with your life?[/QUOTE] You can't take 300 million guns away from people. That's a logistical nightmare to start. Not to mention everything else wrong with that.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48844522]Laws don't stop criminals from owning guns at all, that's the point. More laws with 300 million legally owned guns and millions of other unknown ones will do more harm than good.[/QUOTE]That's exactly my point.

What's wrong with this kid? 11 years old is way more than enough to know what you're doing. Sure, the parents are a lot to blame for leaving the gun accessible like that, but that kid just isn't right in the head at all. [editline]6th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Bradyns;48840550]I don't mean to be 'that guy', but God forbid they find a copy of GTA:V (or any violent game) in that 11yo's room.. it could have easily been a heavily influence on such a young mind.[/QUOTE] Well, i guess we would see Obama praise Australia's gams censorship policy.

[QUOTE=Joe_the_fish;48843378]Wow nice guns are great right America? any other 11 year old kid needs some good ol' American protection?[/QUOTE] Really? I mean fucking really? Look I admit that America has a problem with gun violence, but constantly demonizing anyone that owns a gun is downright ignorant. Not all gun owners are irresponsible people nor are they all mentally unstable individuals that will go shoot up schools or theaters. It's sad that this happened and I feel sorry for the parents of the victim, but you cannot just keep blaming incidents like this on everyone that owns a gun. If you want to blame the father for being an irresponsible gun owner and leaving his gun in the reach of his kids, that's fine, and I would agree that he shares a pretty big chunk of the blame. But the article also mentions that the boy had a history of bullying the girl and had done so ever since her family had moved to the neighborhood. The mother even says she had complained to the principal in order to get the boy to stop. The article goes on to say the boy shot her from his room, and, maybe it's just the way the article is written, but it sounds like she didn't even make it that far away before he shot her. This makes me think that he had the shotgun with him or pretty damn close by. The sad thing about this article is that it raises a lot of questions, but doesn't provide much in the way of answers. Did the school ever tell the parents about the bullying, and if so, did they do anything about it or brush it off as kids being kids? Or did the school decide to keep it quiet like a lot of other schools do? Where were the boys parents or siblings while this was happening? Until these questions are answered or more info is made available, we won't really know who exactly is to blame here. So next time instead of trying stir shit up with another "guns are bad and everyone that owns one is too" debate, please actually read the article and try to understand that, like most incidents, there is more to this than just guns. tldr: Not all gun owners are bad, the boy had a history of bullying the girl, and the school was made aware of it by the girls mother. Until more info is made available, the blame rests on the father for keeping what I assume was a loaded gun within the reach of his kids, and on the boy himself for gunning down a poor 8 year old girl over nothing.