Boy, 11, accused of killing 8-year-old girl with shotgun - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Joe_the_fish;48843378]Wow nice guns are great right America? any other 11 year old kid needs some good ol' American protection?[/QUOTE] Go away Denmark

[QUOTE=Joe_the_fish;48843378]Wow nice guns are great right America? any other 11 year old kid needs some good ol' American protection?[/QUOTE] "If the 8 year old girl had a gun this wouldn't have happened.." [editline]7th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;48843924]your implying americans think this is good this isnt an issue of the gun, its the issue of irresponsible parents[/QUOTE] Yeah and if there had been stronger regulations on the ownership and storage of firearms, this wouldn't have happened because little 11 year old timmy wouldn't have been able to just roll out of the house with a loaded shotgun that day. Horribly tragic either way, and if we do nothing to reduce the changes of it happening again, this little girls death is pretty much in vain.

[QUOTE=Reaper297;48846177]Really? I mean fucking really? Look I admit that America has a problem with gun violence, but constantly demonizing anyone that owns a gun is downright ignorant. Not all gun owners are irresponsible people nor are they all mentally unstable individuals that will go shoot up schools or theaters. It's sad that this happened and I feel sorry for the parents of the victim, but you cannot just keep blaming incidents like this on everyone that owns a gun. If you want to blame the father for being an irresponsible gun owner and leaving his gun in the reach of his kids, that's fine, and I would agree that he shares a pretty big chunk of the blame. But the article also mentions that the boy had a history of bullying the girl and had done so ever since her family had moved to the neighborhood. The mother even says she had complained to the principal in order to get the boy to stop. The article goes on to say the boy shot her from his room, and, maybe it's just the way the article is written, but it sounds like she didn't even make it that far away before he shot her. This makes me think that he had the shotgun with him or pretty damn close by. The sad thing about this article is that it raises a lot of questions, but doesn't provide much in the way of answers. Did the school ever tell the parents about the bullying, and if so, did they do anything about it or brush it off as kids being kids? Or did the school decide to keep it quiet like a lot of other schools do? Where were the boys parents or siblings while this was happening? Until these questions are answered or more info is made available, we won't really know who exactly is to blame here. So next time instead of trying stir shit up with another "guns are bad and everyone that owns one is too" debate, please actually read the article and try to understand that, like most incidents, there is more to this than just guns. tldr: Not all gun owners are bad, the boy had a history of bullying the girl, and the school was made aware of it by the girls mother. Until more info is made available, the blame rests on the father for keeping what I assume was a loaded gun within the reach of his kids, and on the boy himself for gunning down a poor 8 year old girl over nothing.[/QUOTE] The responsibility for incidences such as these is spread out over otherwise responsible gun owners who refuse to submit to stricter regulations on gun ownership and in so doing, keep guns available to criminals and irresponsible gun owners.

[QUOTE=Jacob_sword;48839926]Other then the dads fault for not having the gun locked up. Thats just cold bloody murder hope that court deals with that little brat.[/QUOTE] He's 11. Did he really wanted to kill her or just scare her? Did he know the shotgun was loaded? Was he able to load the gun himself? Why was there an unsecured and loaded shotgun in his house when kids are around?

[QUOTE=Joe_the_fish;48843378]Wow nice guns are great right America? any other 11 year old kid needs some good ol' American protection?[/QUOTE] Aw shit you just rekt me in my rektum wow I need to clean my asshole with gun cleaning fluid now Look out guys this euro's gonna educate your ass

Everyone's talking about how the gun shouldve been locked (which it shouldve) but the kid should be been taught to never touch the thing. When I was 6 and my dad owned airsoft guns I was taught first thing to never touch them without his permission or I'd get my ass beat. The whole thing is the result of shitty parenting [editline]7th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DMGaina;48848391]He's 11. Did he really wanted to kill her or just scare her? Did he know the shotgun was loaded? Was he able to load the gun himself? Why was there an unsecured and loaded shotgun in his house when kids are around?[/QUOTE] He's fucking 11, he's not a clueless toddler. He shouldve known it's not a toy. Either he's very dumb or really meant to shoot her

[QUOTE=TheHydra;48840295]children don't really understand the consequences of their actions.[/QUOTE] but at 11 they should know that murder is wrong [editline]7th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kylel999;48850476]Everyone's talking about how the gun shouldve been locked (which it shouldve) but the kid should be been taught to never touch the thing. When I was 6 and my dad owned airsoft guns I was taught first thing to never touch them without his permission or I'd get my ass beat. The whole thing is the result of shitty parenting [editline]7th October 2015[/editline] He's fucking 11, he's not a clueless toddler. He shouldve known it's not a toy. Either he's very dumb or really meant to shoot her[/QUOTE] I spent my whole youth around unsecured and loaded (though not chambered) firearms. I never needed to be told not to fuck with them for no good reason because I got to see first hand what a gun could do because I spent my whole youth hunting, and if they could do that to a deer I didn't want to know what they could do to me. even as a kid I had a deep respect for firearms that the youth of today never get a chance to develop.

Kid is obviously a sociopath if he could just blast a little girl away with a shotgun and not even hesitate. Someone like that needs to me monitored for the rest of his life. But holy shit, who keeps a shotgun out in the open for a kid to get access to? Jesus, what a horrible turn of events regardless.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48848278]The responsibility for incidences such as these is spread out over otherwise responsible gun owners who refuse to submit to stricter regulations on gun ownership and in so doing, keep guns available to criminals and irresponsible gun owners.[/QUOTE] Except it's not their fault at all. The gun regulations we have right now could use an overhaul in some spots, but they can only do so much. People here have wanted to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines, yet they forget we tried that several years ago and it barely made a dent in gun violence. The reason for that being that those types of weapons were rarely used in cases of gun violence. Now maybe times have changed, but I'm kind of doubting it. We have background checks and I know I've heard people propose that private sales get access to background checks. Lets take a look at the Charleston shooting though. The shooter bought his gun through legal means, yet he passed right through the background check system because of someones fuck up. So we could implement a background check system for private sales, but all it takes is for someone to fuck up and we're right back at square one. Hell the person might pass a background check entirely I mean look at the Oregon shooter that owned 14 weapons legally. Please understand I'm all for some legislation that would stop this stuff from happening, but as I said gun regulation can only do so much. I mean I guess we could go the extreme route and ban firearms entirely and go about collecting all of them and destroying them. This of course would be a massive undertaking and a lot of people would not go along with it quietly. It would certainly cut down on gun violence, but ask yourself, how long until gun trafficking picks up? What happens when mass shootings are replaced with mass stabbings? What if shooters start buildings bombs instead? My point is that we haven't fixed anything at all by hypothetically doing this. In fact we've left people defenseless and have most likely increased the amount of criminal activity by doing this. So we've treated a symptom, but we've created several more in its place and the disease is still thriving. As I stated in my previous post, there's more to this than just guns. Mental health plays a large role in a lot of these shootings. Several of the shooters we have had suffered from various mental and psychological issues. Not all of them of course, but a good portion have. The problem however is that our healthcare system in general needs a really major overhaul. Hell, our mental and psychological healthcare is an absolute joke, but until the children in charge of our government can learn to play nicely with each other, or are replaced by people that actually give a shit about the welfare of others, it's going to remain that way for a long time. Mind you, by this point we still haven't done much over the countless hate inspired shootings. So yeah, it's a very long and complicated process, and I honestly would be very surprised if we see any real major changes in our lifetime. tldr: Regulation only takes care of a small part of the problem. We need to fix up our mental and psychological healthcare in order to actually get somewhere which probably wont happen for a while.

Sure an 11 year old [i]knows[/i] about death and killing. But are you guys really suggesting that an 11 year old is [i]fully[/i] (and I mean absolute 100%) aware of the moral implications and complex consequences? I disagree with that. To add on, what good would accusing this kid of murder and locking him up do? It would benefit noone and most likely create an even worse type of person by the time he is released.

[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;48854974]Sure an 11 year old [i]knows[/i] about death and killing. But are you guys really suggesting that an 11 year old is [i]fully[/i](and I mean absolute 100%) aware of the moral implications and complex consequences? No. What good would locking up this child do? It would benefit noone and probably create an even worse type of person.[/QUOTE] Dude, when I was 11 I'm pretty sure I was completely aware that killing someone = the end of my life

[QUOTE=Kylel999;48854993]Dude, when I was 11 I'm pretty sure I was completely aware that killing someone = the end of my life[/QUOTE] Why should we try 11 year olds as adult criminals when we don't even entrust them to adult responsibilities like driving and working?

[QUOTE=Jacob_sword;48839926]Other then the dads fault for not having the gun locked up. Thats just cold bloody murder hope that court deals with that little brat.[/QUOTE] I think the UK had a case like this a while ago. a couple 10 year olds murdered a 5 year old (or something like that). It really spurs a debate on the nature of evil; are we just products of our environment? in that case can there be evil?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48855026]I think the UK had a case like this a while ago. a couple 10 year olds murdered a 5 year old (or something like that). It really spurs a debate on the nature of evil; are we just products of our environment? in that case can there be evil?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger"]James Bulger[/URL] The problem with children without empathy is that they become adults without empathy. By my understanding, empathy isn't something that can ever be gained after the age of around 10-12 years. I don't have a solution to this kind of problem. But children with sociopathic tendencies must be watched very very closely.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48840412]Will the father be barred from owning guns in the future? He seems to be unable to store them responsibly and keep them out of the reach of his children.[/QUOTE] The thing is in places like Maine, or Tennessee; By the age of 10, you've likely already taught your kid gun safety. If not, you've had them take a hunter's safety course. Then, you've shown them where you keep the key for your safe, how to open it, where the ammo is, etcetera. This one could be an exception, but I'm thinking he has shown his kid how to get into his safe for when he needs a gun.