[QUOTE=MasterFen006;47141406]"traitor"[/QUOTE]
Because committing borderline espionage is not a treasonous thing to ddo.
Good, she deserves it.
Fuck the American government, anybody who can expose their lies and bullshit without resorting to violence is a goddamned hero.
I bet she'll be beautiful, too. :U
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47141420]Because committing borderline espionage is not a treasonous thing to ddo.[/QUOTE]
That fuck Edward Snowden should be in jail too!
[QUOTE=john_pelphre;47141449]That fuck Edward Snowden should be in jail too![/QUOTE]
Yeah abusing top secret clearances is a totally okay thing to do.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47141462]Yeah abusing top secret clearances is a totally okay thing to do.[/QUOTE]
When said top secret clearances involve an entire plot to meticulously spy on and send your own innocent citizens to fucking Guantanamo Bay, yes. It is a very okay thing to do.
Are you trying to justify leaking documents that can get people fucking killed as a good thing?
[QUOTE=Sally;47141475]Are you trying to justify leaking documents that can get people fucking killed as a good thing?[/QUOTE]
Get people killed?
How is us knowing our government doesn't want us to have any secrets killing anyone?
[QUOTE=SKEEA;47141280]When this traitor gets the treatment they want, but I see the VA and Army medical denying people treatment, or half assing it, or just never getting around to give treatment to Soldiers that have served honorably, then I really kind of get bitter. Manning needs to pay for this treatment with his insurance, not on the government's dime. The Army does not owe him a damn thing.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47141462]Yeah abusing top secret clearances is a totally okay thing to do.[/QUOTE]
Morally I would say yes.
[QUOTE=john_pelphre;47141514]Morally I would say yes.[/QUOTE]
If you voluntarily join an organization and voluntarily take a job with insane responsibilities and you avoid any legal means of whistle blowing secret information then you're kinda fucked.
On one hand I believe it is in the best interest of everyone to give Manning the proper treatment. However, the fact it's coming out of tax dollars does bring a valid argument.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;47141638]The math for this works out to $2.9685461875297336492135844944949x10^-6 per person per year. You would need to be alive for 500,000 years to pay a dollar for this.[/QUOTE]
Not referring to it in an individual perspective. Just questioning whether it's a ideologically right to put tax money towards this?
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47141606]On one hand I believe it is in the best interest of everyone to give Manning the proper treatment. However, the fact it's coming out of tax dollars does bring a valid argument.[/QUOTE]
the government is spending hundreds of millions of dollars on developing useless military technologies, billions on foreign aid that is structurally and inherently ineffective, and tens of billions on social welfare programs that manage to provide the minimum level of assistance for the maximum cost
and people are complaining about paying maybe $1200 a year for the entire federal government max
Others who suffer from the same problem have to work and pay for their treatment, and many of them can't afford it. Why should they be unable to receive proper treatment while a criminal is able to? Unless the supposed solution is to put tax dollars towards everyone with the same problem, why should Manning get the better end?
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47141704]Others who suffer from the same problem have to work and pay for their treatment, and many of them can't afford it. Why should they be unable to receive proper treatment while a criminal is able to? Unless the supposed solution is to put tax dollars towards everyone with the same problem, why should Manning get the better end?[/QUOTE]
advocate for making this therapy required under insurance rather than lowering someone else's quality of life.
should the federal government allow the people that it incarcerated die of disease and illness in jail (where inmates are incapable of producing an income to pay for healthcare costs) because we don't yet have universal healthcare
the only reason this argument even occurs is because our society has a ridiculous amount of contempt for the criminals that the very same society created.
[QUOTE=joes33431;47141718]advocate for making this therapy required under insurance rather than lowering someone else's quality of life.
should the federal government allow the people that it incarcerated die of disease and illness in jail (where inmates are incapable of producing an income to pay for healthcare costs) because we don't yet have universal healthcare[/QUOTE]
Disease and illness killing someone is much different from a medical condition.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47141733]Disease and illness killing someone is much different from a medical condition.[/QUOTE]
withholding treatment for a painful, literally suicide-inducing condition because of a person's crimes is by definition cruel and unusual punishment
Good. Maybe next they can fucking let her out of prison. Manning performed a public service, and I still have yet to see compelling evidence that releasing that information harmed a single hair on a single person's head.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;47141721]That is the proper solution. It'd be insanely cheap to do, seeing as there are so few trans people. You still wouldn't pay a beyond 1 or 2 digits of cents per year.[/QUOTE]
Much more understandable of a solution. But what about other medical conditions? I think that just leads to arguing over government-provided healthcare (which I'm not against).
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47141733]Disease and illness killing someone is much different from a medical condition.[/QUOTE]
A medical condition killing someone is much different from a medical condition?
I'm sure there's an argument in here somewhere...
[QUOTE=joes33431;47141744]withholding treatment for a painful, literally suicide-inducing condition because of a person's crimes is by definition cruel and unusual punishment[/QUOTE]
Then non-paying insurance companies and in general poverty are cruel and unusual punishment.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47141749]Good. Maybe next they can fucking let her out of prison. Manning performed a public service, and I still have yet to see compelling evidence that releasing that information harmed a single hair on a single person's head.[/QUOTE]
If I went out of my way to release private Medical information which is classified as secret it technically wouldn't hurt anyone physically but should I not be held accountable for it? It was entrusted to me and I publicly released it.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;47141754]A medical condition killing someone is much different from a medical condition?
I'm sure there's an argument in here somewhere...[/QUOTE]
By medical condition I meant non-fatal.
Point I'm making is there is a big difference between feeling like you're in the wrong body vs Cancer or something of that nature.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47141768]If I went out of my way to release private Medical information which is classified as secret it technically wouldn't hurt anyone physically but should I not be held accountable for it? It was entrusted to me and I publicly released it.[/QUOTE]
my medical information doesn't reveal infrigement on the rights of US citizens
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;47141761]Then non-paying insurance companies and in general poverty are cruel and unusual punishment.[/QUOTE]
not quite, because it wouldn't be punishment
the sum of the argument is that being incarcerated prevents you from doing anything to help your own medical needs, and so they should be met by the government
this is already done for prisoners, so withholding it from her in particular just because the condition in particular is being trans is additional punishment
[QUOTE=bitches;47141809]not quite, because it wouldn't be punishment
the sum of the argument is that being incarcerated prevents you from doing anything to help your own medical needs, and so they should be met by the government
this is already done for prisoners, so withholding it from her in particular just because the condition in particular is being trans is additional punishment[/QUOTE]
While I do agree that receiving HRT should be a right of Trans servicrmembers I don't think that Manning should be the only one to receive it out of the thousands of serving Trans servicrmembers who haven't committed felonies
[QUOTE=bitches;47141809]not quite, because it wouldn't be punishment
the sum of the argument is that being incarcerated prevents you from doing anything to help your own medical needs, and so they should be met by the government
this is already done for prisoners, so withholding it from her in particular just because the condition in particular is being trans is additional punishment[/QUOTE]
So it's cruel and unusual punishment if the government fails to provide hormones for a criminal; but not for them to fail in providing for thousands of non-criminals?
I'm not arguing that Manning should receive the proper treatment. I'm saying it's unjust to give Manning what is considered a "human right" and deprive others.
[QUOTE=Smoot;47140632]I'm disappointed that my taxes are going towards this.[/QUOTE]
Oh no your tax money is going towards making someone happy? You poor thing. Does baby want his bottle?
Seriously? Get over it.
Shout out to all the trans men and women of the US military that have to suffer silently while this individual is considered top priority.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47141901]Shout out to all the trans men and women of the US military that have to suffer silently while this individual is considered top priority.[/QUOTE]
She fought for it.
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