"The End of Antibiotics, Period." - CDC Chief - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643039]Well the end of Man made antibiotics. Not natural alternatives that rival even the best of man made antibiotics or beat them. [url]http://www.naturalnews.com/035516_natural_antibiotics_superbugs.html[/url] [url]http://frugallysustainable.com/2013/08/food-and-herb-cures-10-natural-antibiotic-alternatives/[/url][/QUOTE] Natural news, lmao.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;42644352]People taking antibotics doesn't matter one bit, people who claim that people who take anti-biotics for minuscule shit are the issue here are idiot. The issue is that the process we use to put out as much meat as we do in the western world requires a load of antibotics in order to keep the food safe, the bacteria is gaining all its resistance there, not in people so welcome to the mass grave[/QUOTE] I just hope that our corpses won't be in an embarrassing pose

[QUOTE=zombays;42643669]ITT: People fighting over "natural" medicine and "unnatural" medicine. I'm just waiting for bacteria to kill everyone, or turn them into zombies, or vampires, man, that would be awesome.[/QUOTE] Mate, modern medicine originates from stripping useful compounds from natural plants and animals, you can see it happening right now with cannabis.

Stupidest idea ever. who came up with it? If even US stops using antibiotics, countries in Asia or Europe wont do it. Which means bacterias will still continue evolving, the only problem will be that, US citizens wont be able to fight with them.

[QUOTE=cucumber;42645996]Stupidest idea ever. who came up with it? If even US stops using antibiotics, countries in Asia or Europe wont do it. Which means bacterias will still continue evolving, the only problem will be that, US citizens wont be able to fight with them.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand evolution. If you stop giving out antibiotics then the bacteria won't have an antibiotic pressure that causes them to evolve into drug resistant strains.

My body can only handle one family of the antibiotics out there. So basically, if that shit goes away, I die. Fuck.

[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643039]Well the end of Man made antibiotics. Not natural alternatives that rival even the best of man made antibiotics or beat them. [url]http://www.naturalnews.com/035516_natural_antibiotics_superbugs.html[/url] [url]http://frugallysustainable.com/2013/08/food-and-herb-cures-10-natural-antibiotic-alternatives/[/url][/QUOTE] Where do you think we get things like Penicillin and Erythromycin from?

Maybe this will make us try for advances in nanotechnology?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;42649423]Maybe this will make us try for advances in nanotechnology?[/QUOTE] necessity is the mother of invention afterall. if we ever have some kind of serious epidemic a la AIDS back in the 80s, you can bet nanomachines/Bacteriophage research funding will skyrocket.

[quote]We’re here. We’re in the post-antibiotic era. There are patients for whom we have no therapy, and we are literally in a position of having a patient in a bed who has an infection, something that five years ago even we could have treated, but now we can’t. …[/quote] Technically no. You can treat them, it is just cost and time prohibitive. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy[/url] Phage therapy serves a similar role to antibiotics, but is far more specific in nature. Defense against phages is unlikely to evolve in any reasonable time frame as they literally just tear into bacteria and inject code and, can themselves, evolve to counteract bacterial resistances. The strain specific nature of bacteriophages is problematic and difficult to circumvent. They are not a replacement for antibiotics, but they could be extremely useful in combating staph infections that spread around hospitals. Meat you consume is likely already sprayed with a phage designed to kill listeria.

[QUOTE=GunFox;42649552]Technically no. You can treat them, it is just cost and time prohibitive. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy[/url] Phage therapy serves a similar role to antibiotics, but is far more specific in nature. Defense against phages is unlikely to evolve in any reasonable time frame as they literally just tear into bacteria and inject code and, can themselves, evolve to counteract bacterial resistances. The strain specific nature of bacteriophages is problematic and difficult to circumvent. They are not a replacement for antibiotics, but they could be extremely useful in combating staph infections that spread around hospitals. Meat you consume is likely already sprayed with a phage designed to kill listeria.[/QUOTE] Couldn't you just modify the phages any way if the bacteria evolved a resistant to that particular strain?

See Bacteriophage

[QUOTE=chipset;42643062]I know and know of lots of people who take antibiotics for trivial shit like a cold. I seriously doubt those kinds of people are the leading cause for this problem though, although I haven't seen any statistics for it I would guess that the main issue has been overuse in hospitals and on livestock.[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised. Using antibiotics on a cold is one of the main problems with the overuse of them; they don't do jackshit because the common cold is a virus called Rhinovirus. It might trigger an anti-flammatory response which might alleviate some problems but on the whole it is a complete waste and a major problem in antiobiotic misuse. [editline]26th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;42646071]I don't think you understand evolution. If you stop giving out antibiotics then the bacteria won't have an antibiotic pressure that causes them to evolve into drug resistant strains.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understood his post. If you stop giving out antibiotics only in the US, domestic bacteria likely won't be evolving into drug resistant strains as easily but that still means jackshit for bacteria from other countries. Foreign bacteria would enter the US by tourism, imports, etc and would likely prove to be fatal as citizens would not have easier access to antibiotics and hospitals would not be able to proscribe them. Even if they were, who's to say that they will even work on the resistant strain? Without a global agreement, it's worthless to try to ban them in any single country.

The negativity of this guy is awful, no solution, no ideas, he could say well we could do this.. or that.. but he just says "antibiotics are dead and we can't do anything". Honestly, he's clearly trying to scare people. [editline]27th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;42649423]Maybe this will make us try for advances in nanotechnology?[/QUOTE]Sure why not.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;42652214]The negativity of this guy is awful, no solution, no ideas, he could say well we could do this.. or that.. but he just says "antibiotics are dead and we can't do anything". Honestly, he's clearly trying to scare people. [editline]27th October 2013[/editline] Sure why not.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's cause people need to be scared about this, it could end being a case of cutting yourself making dinner one night, ending up with an infected wound and being given the grim news that it ends up bein an antibiotic resistant strain of something and the only way to stop the spread being an amputation of your hand. "Sorry pal! If only we hadn't fucked up our management of antibiotics you might still be able to flip me the bird!"

Reminds me of the disease in the movie "The Stand" based on that book of Stephen King's, you know it?

[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643039]Well the end of Man made antibiotics. Not natural alternatives that rival even the best of man made antibiotics or beat them. [url]http://www.naturalnews.com/035516_natural_antibiotics_superbugs.html[/url] [url]http://frugallysustainable.com/2013/08/food-and-herb-cures-10-natural-antibiotic-alternatives/[/url][/QUOTE] Natural News

[QUOTE=Flazer210;42643592]Think about it, one day the cure for rabies won't work and then suddenly zambies everywhere. :v:[/QUOTE] I'm way happy being by myself, thanks.

[QUOTE=bravehat;42652999]Yeah that's cause people need to be scared about this, it could end being a case of cutting yourself making dinner one night, ending up with an infected wound and being given the grim news that it ends up being an antibiotic resistant strain of something and the only way to stop the spread being an amputation of your hand. "Sorry pal! If only we hadn't fucked up our management of antibiotics you might still be able to flip me the bird!"[/QUOTE]Something has to be done, but at the same time you have to give people some sort of hope otherwise he's just saying "we're all dead, deal with it" and that'll just freak people out.

"In Russia, mixed phage preparations may have a therapeutic efficacy of 50%. This equates to the complete cure of 50 of 100 patients with [B]terminal antibiotic-resistant infection.[/B] The rate of only 50% is likely to be due to individual choices in admixtures and ineffective diagnosis of the causative agent of infection." invest in russian biotech yo

I can't even take anti-biotics anyway. (Being deathly allergic to every single one I've been exposed to) so I don't see how this directly effects me too much at all.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;42659197]Something has to be done, but at the same time you have to give people some sort of hope otherwise he's just saying "we're all dead, deal with it" and that'll just freak people out.[/QUOTE] There is hope but it's gonna be bacteriophages, but right now what we need is for people to be afraid of this, people need to understand the severity of this shit.