North-Korean missile nearly blew a 200-person passenger jet the fuck up
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[QUOTE=woolio1;44150807]And... How is that freedom going to come about, exactly? The Kims/Jongs/Uns aren't going to hand over the reigns, and the aristocracy isn't going to give up their puppet government. There's going to have to be some force involved.[/QUOTE]Normally im the last person to suggest military force but this isent just another country with some backwards laws. Their citizens are literately slaves unable to leave.
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Besides its going to come to this sooner or later.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;44150891]Normally im the last person to suggest military force but this isent just another country with some backwards laws. Their citizens are literately slaves unable to leave.
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Besides its going to come to this sooner or later.[/QUOTE]
But they have nukes. Well, a couple of. And i think these guys are crazy enough to fire them in case of invasion, so the whole country would be fucked up. No fun.
Welp, invasion theme. Again.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44148599]If that had hit might it have been the war NK so desperately craves?[/QUOTE]
Probably would be the same situation when the Soviet Union blew up a passenger plane thinking it was a spy plane, only to release the cockpit voice recorder after the collapse in 1991-1992
[QUOTE=antianan;44151185]But they have nukes. Well, a couple of. And i think these guys are crazy enough to fire them in case of invasion, so the whole country would be fucked up. No fun.
Welp, invasion theme. Again.[/QUOTE]
That's why if its going to happen its gotta happen in the next couple of years before they combine their nuclear weapons with their rockets and actually do something successful with them.
Plus I think you would need the entire worlds supply of nuclear weapons pointing at them to keep them from doing it. So they would have to do something IMO that would annoy both the US and friends and Russia at the same time.
[QUOTE=Jsm;44151346]That's why if its going to happen its gotta happen in the next couple of years before they combine their nuclear weapons with their rockets and actually do something successful with them.
Plus I think you would need the entire worlds supply of nuclear weapons pointing at them to keep them from doing it. So they would have to do something IMO that would annoy both the US and friends and Russia at the same time.[/QUOTE]
You don't need the entire world supply of nukes to grind them to dust, only 1/10 of either us or russian stockpile would be more then enough. The matter is that they can be totally sure no one will launch these missiles, because it would cause terrific casualties among north korean population. It would be literally a genocide. More then that, while they still can't combine their rockets and warheads, they can easily blow them up on the surface.
So they can do whatever they want while they have this living shield and a couple of nukes.
[QUOTE=antianan;44151185]But they have nukes. Well, a couple of. And i think these guys are crazy enough to fire them in case of invasion, so the whole country would be fucked up. No fun.
Welp, invasion theme. Again.[/QUOTE] I never said invade. I'm sure the CIA can cook up some government takeover. What the hell do they get that huge budget for. Like I said im not for jumping into other countries and telling them what to do but I think we can agree this is a special case where the entire public is being held hostage in there own country. If you make it out of the country they go after your family. That sounds like some drug cartel shit. Oh wait except north korea exports a large amount of meth. As for the nuke situation I guess I didn't consider that lol and probably the only reason we haven't yet.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;44152193]I never said invade. I'm sure the CIA can cook up some government takeover. What the hell do they get that huge budget for. Like I said im not for jumping into other countries and telling them what to do but I think we can agree this is a special case where the entire public is being held hostage in there own country. If you make it out of the country they go after your family. That sounds like some drug cartel shit. Oh wait except north korea exports a large amount of meth. As for the nuke situation I guess I didn't consider that lol and probably the only reason we haven't yet.[/QUOTE]
You severely over estimate the CIA and underestimate the DPRK security net, and ignore the fact that the US would do it by now if they had the resources.
North Korea ought to be more careful. If there is anyone who is likely to take action against the country - it is China.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44148599]If that had hit might it have been the war NK so desperately craves?[/QUOTE]
NK would have been saying China intentionally flew into the rocket, disrupting their test in a clear act of provocation
-dumb as usual-
[QUOTE=antianan;44151185]But they have nukes. Well, a couple of. And i think these guys are crazy enough to fire them in case of invasion, so the whole country would be fucked up. No fun.
Welp, invasion theme. Again.[/QUOTE]
NK has like a 1 kiloton nuke... we have conventional bombs bigger than that
[QUOTE=woolio1;44150807]And... How is that freedom going to come about, exactly? The Kims/Jongs/Uns aren't going to hand over the reigns, and the aristocracy isn't going to give up their puppet government. There's going to have to be some force involved.[/QUOTE]
Their government is already slipping with even their allies being tired of their shit and ceasing to give out handouts.
It may sound crazy and cliche but it always will get to the absolute worst until it gets better. I can't really assure that what replaces the current powers in NK after the old governments inevitable fall will be great but I'm optimistic enough to know that it would be better than what they have now.
[QUOTE=tirpider;44155309]I don't usually pay attention to folks going on about government level incompetence. I assume that even if an individual is a moron, that the rest of the government will keep it in check or balance it out somehow.
NK firing a missile at a Chinese aircraft is a rule breaker. It clearly shows that not only do they not know what they are doing, but that their incompetence is dangerous to the rest of the world.
We need a global special education class, and NK needs to be in it.[/QUOTE]
You, uh...
Did you read the article?
[QUOTE=Sableye;44155847]NK has like a 1 kiloton nuke... we have conventional bombs bigger than that[/QUOTE]
As far as i know, the estimated yield of their latest test varied from 8 to even 40 kiloton depending on the source. And while it's not really big compared to modern nukes, it's still more then enough to wipe hundreds of thousands from the face of the earth. Or to turn advancing troops to dust in case of invasion, you just need to place it on their way and blow remotely.
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Fucking hell. That is one smarked plane.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44155847]NK has like a 1 kiloton nuke... we have conventional bombs bigger than that[/QUOTE]
The MOAB (aka our largest conventional bomb) has a yield of 0.011 kilotons, so no, we don't.
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[QUOTE=antianan;44156820]As far as i know, the estimated yield of their latest test varied from 8 to even 40 kiloton depending on the source. And while it's not really big compared to modern nukes, it's still more then enough to wipe hundreds of thousands from the face of the earth. Or to turn advancing troops to dust in case of invasion, you just need to place it on their way and blow remotely.[/QUOTE]Except North Korean launch sites rely on technology from the 60's, they have a pretty big intercept window because the missiles need some time to get ready to fire. Soviet and US missile development discovered that keeping a missile fueled 24/7 is impossible, and so they have to be rotated every couple of months and overhauled. An easy solution, and I bet the DPRK does this, is to keep a missile partially fueled before launch which shortens the launch time. Unfortunately for the Dear Leader, the time between "I WANT SEOUL FUCKING GONE" order and actual launch is like twenty goddamn minutes. During this time it will be obvious to anyone even sorta-kinda watching the site that there's a missile being quick-fueled, which would generate a response.
First off, any Ticonderoga class cruisers or Arleigh Burke class destroyers in the area would be directing their AN/SPY-1 radars at the site, and their missile batteries would be prepped to immediately intercept. Land-based MIM-104 Patriots would be actively watching for any missile launch in North Korea, and any batteries not immediately ready would be scrambled to do the same. South Korean F-15s would be scrambled over Seoul, and by this time the THAAD batteries in Guam and Hawaii would be on alert. Japanese Kongō-class destroyers and Atago-class destroyers would be directed to defend the Japanese islands, and the JASDF would scramble it's alert fighters in conjunction with any USN assets in Okinawa. South Korea, Japan, and the US forces in the area would be on high alert, South Korea would possibly begin calling in reserves. All of this is just the immediate reaction, nobody has actually done anything to North Korea yet.
Things from this point on would become either very bland, or very hairy very quickly, because a shooting war might be sparked in one of three ways. First off, North Korea appears to have genuine intent to launch their missile and is not backing down, which would warrant an air strike. This may or may not come from a ship, an air-launched cruise missile, or another platform but either way that missile would be done. The second method is one of the DPRK aircraft that would more than likely be in the air in response to the South Korean, Japanese, and US air assets would trigger a ballistic missile alert in an AN/MPQ-53/65 radar set, which would be sent to the AN/MSQ-104 control station. This would more than likely result in the control station to order the MIM-104 from stand-by mode into active mode, which would mean two missiles would be chasing a DPRK MiG-29 within seconds. I'm picking on the Patriot here because this [i]has happened before[/i] and is one of the reasons why the THAAD system was developed. In the third method North Korea has had sufficient time to launch their missile and has been launched. This might cause all sorts of crazy as fuck ground shooting, probably North Korean artillery shelling the piss out of Seoul, but either way it would generate a lot of activity. First off, hesitation about firing on DPRK assets would instantly go away, so being in the sky above North Korea would be a [i]very, [b]very[/b][/i] bad place to be. As that missile made it's way to target, the chances of it being intercepted increases exponentially as it nears an active SAM battery or a ship. PLAAF aircraft would be immediately scrambled, and Chinese missile sites would be on heightened alert, and the PLA would mobilize but ultimately do nothing. At this point China would be anxiously waiting and probably frantically calling Obama, but would most definitely not get involved. North Korean artillery batteries would more than likely have received at least one salvo of counter-battery fire, and ROKAF air assets would more than likely be making their initial strikes on the remaining batteries. Ground forces in South Korea would be immediately mobilized and any active armor units would be racing to defend Seoul, expecting a DPRK assault. That's the first five to ten minutes after launch, either way, North Korea would be so unbelievably fucked.
To sum it up, there's no goddamn way a randomly launched, nuclear-capable, combat ready DPRK missile would survive long and we'd probably accidentally kill the entire North Korean air force shooting it down. As for that "nuclear mine" option, you do have a valid point.
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