Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Simski;33579955]He was threatened, physically abused, and pursued. Self defense, period.[/QUOTE] He was threatened, physically abused, and pursued. He walks away, hits once. Self defense. They're on the ground, he nearly killed them. Batshit insane.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579931]The way you've presented it seems to suggest that humans cannot be blamed for their actions once they are provoked into a state of intense fury.[/QUOTE] When you're in a threatening situation it's hard to tell what's going on. Everything is going a thousand miles per hour, you've got adrenaline pumping, and everything is over in a flash. So partially, yes, instinct is to blame for our actions when fight or flight is decided. Of course, we as humans take into account as to what the scenario is. For example if the guy went into rage mode as soon as she slapped him this would be a whole different story.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579962]If you honestly consider almost beating someone to death with a metal pipe a reasonable response to this, you're fucked in the head.[/QUOTE] If you think someone deserves punishment for defending themselves when attacked unprovoked by two very hostile people that pursue you instead of leave you alone when you retreat, then you are retarded beyond belief.

[QUOTE=Simski;33579938]No, because he has just been threatened, attacked, and pursued. I would like to see you get threatened, attacked, and pursued while still remaining completely calm and reasonable.[/QUOTE] Look, here's the bottom line: If someone's coming at you with a weapon, then by all means you do whatever you can to stop them from hurting you. If someone's trying to maim you or beat you up you stop them, and walk away. However, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that you go into a state of shock after being slapped and chased a few feet.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579954]3. Woman jumps over counter and chases him to the deep fryer, at which point the cashier has grabbed a metal rod. He's in a state of shock now, you say?[/QUOTE] [B]YES[/b]

This isn't even an eye for an eye. This is rob me and I kill your family.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579951]I'm not a big tough guy, that's my point. If I can conduct myself with a level of reason and safety, I'd expect a former criminal to have a slightly better handle on this sort of situation.[/QUOTE] Wait, wait, WAIT. You're telling me a an EX CON is much more capable of handling a violent situation in a more calm manner?!

[QUOTE=Simski;33579975]If you think someone deserves punishment for defending themselves when attacked unprovoked by two very hostile people that pursue you instead of leave you alone when you retreat, then you are retarded beyond belief.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between 'defending yourself' and 'defending yourself and then some'.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579978]Look, here's the bottom line: If someone's coming at you with a weapon, then by all means you do whatever you can to stop them from hurting you. If someone's trying to maim you or beat you up you stop them, and walk away. However, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that you go into a state of shock after being slapped and chased a few feet.[/QUOTE] ok you heard it boys, check/ask if your assailant has a weapon before you attempt anything too "brutal" in the eyes of the law.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579973]When you're in a threatening situation it's hard to tell what's going on. Everything is going a thousand miles per hour, you've got adrenaline pumping, and everything is over in a flash. So partially, yes, instinct is to blame for our actions when fight or flight is decided. Of course, we as humans take into account as to what the scenario is. For example if the guy went into rage mode as soon as she slapped him this would be a whole different story.[/QUOTE] People that react like this guy usually get locked up for being mentally unstable.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579973]When you're in a threatening situation it's hard to tell what's going on. Everything is going a thousand miles per hour, you've got adrenaline pumping, and everything is over in a flash. So partially, yes, instinct is to blame for our actions when fight or flight is decided. Of course, we as humans take into account as to what the scenario is. For example if the guy went into rage mode as soon as she slapped him this would be a whole different story.[/QUOTE] Can't say that's ever happened. Not when I've been punched, not when I've slapped, so I don't know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579973]When you're in a threatening situation it's hard to tell what's going on. Everything is going a thousand miles per hour, you've got adrenaline pumping, and everything is over in a flash. So partially, yes, instinct is to blame for our actions when fight or flight is decided. Of course, we as humans take into account as to what the scenario is. For example if the guy went into rage mode as soon as she slapped him this would be a whole different story.[/QUOTE] if he'd killed one of them, should he still be allowed to go free? Because it could have easily happened

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579978]Look, here's the bottom line: If someone's coming at you with a weapon, then by all means you do whatever you can to stop them from hurting you. If someone's trying to maim you or beat you up you stop them, and walk away. However, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that you go into a state of shock after being slapped and chased a few feet.[/QUOTE] If someone just physically and verbally attacked you, you're outnumbered, and they pursue you when you try to retreat, then they are fucking hostile and you are not to blame when using force to defend yourself.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579992]ok you heard it boys, check/ask if your assailant has a weapon before you attempt anything too "brutal" in the eyes of the law.[/QUOTE] He fractured her fucking skull, he didn't leave them with a bruised leg and a sore back. Yes, I'd say that is brutal.

[QUOTE=Simski;33580003]If someone just physically and verbally attacked you, you're outnumbered, and they pursue you when you try to retreat, then they are fucking hostile and you are not to blame when using force to defend yourself.[/QUOTE] [quote]Restaurant patrons can be heard screaming for him to stop, while other employees are seen trying to intervene.[/quote] Yup, sounds like the cashier was outnumbered to me.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33579997]People that react like this guy usually get locked up for being mentally unstable.[/QUOTE] [Citation Needed]

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579988]Wait, wait, WAIT. You're telling me a an EX CON is much more capable of handling a violent situation in a more calm manner?![/QUOTE] yeah, a lad like myself who is still all hopped up and stupid will likely resort to extreme measures before someone who has already seen the risk of those measures, and has a bit more maturity. He's been inside before so he should know better by now

[QUOTE=Simski;33580003]If someone just physically and verbally attacked you, you're outnumbered, and they pursue you when you try to retreat, then they are fucking hostile and you are not to blame when using force to defend yourself.[/QUOTE] You're completely missing out point. We're not saying he was wrong to defend himself, we're saying it was wrong to defend himself and then continue on to beat them half to death.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579999]if he'd killed one of them, should he still be allowed to go free? Because it could have easily happened[/QUOTE] No, that would be a manslaughter charge over a nonlethal attack. The point being is he did stop, and no one was killed. Now if they pursued at him with a gun or a knife and he beat them to the point of death, then yeah I could understand it.

[QUOTE=Simski;33580003]If someone just physically and verbally attacked you, you're outnumbered, and they pursue you when you try to retreat, then they are fucking hostile and you are not to blame when using force to defend yourself.[/QUOTE] Okay now you're adding a whole 'nother level of nonsense to this. He's outnumbered? There's two women, and at least one other employee [I]right next to him.[/I]

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579998]Can't say that's ever happened. Not when I've been punched, not when I've slapped, so I don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] This is not about just the fucking slap, it's about point number fucking 3 that you so graciously ignored after you pointed it out yourself only to ignore it when it failed as a counter argument.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33580005]He fractured her fucking skull, he didn't leave them with a bruised leg and a sore back. Yes, I'd say that is brutal.[/QUOTE] But you said it would be okay to do it if she had a weapon, considering how fast everything happened. How the flying [b]fuck[/b] is anyone supposed to determine the level of danger they are in in a situation like this? And once again I'd like to point out that angry women are a lot more dangerous than you think bare handed, surely not nearly as dangerous as an armed person, but to shrug them off as harmless flies is beyond retarded.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580009]yeah, a lad like myself who is still all hopped up and stupid will likely resort to extreme measures before someone who has already seen the risk of those measures, and has a bit more maturity. He's been inside before so he should know better by now[/QUOTE] Have you seen prisons in the US? They are the most terrifying and volatile environments you could think to be in on domestic US soil. Fuck, in prison you'll get stabbed for just looking at someone in a disrespectful manner.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580011]You're completely missing out point. We're not saying he was wrong to defend himself, we're saying it was wrong to defend himself and then continue on to beat them half to death.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that it's human fucking nature to be scared shitless when your attacker tries to get back up.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580012]No, that would be a manslaughter charge over a nonlethal attack. The point being is he did stop, and no one was killed. Now if they pursued at him with a gun or a knife and he beat them to the point of death, then yeah I could understand it.[/QUOTE] Yes, he stopped only after multiple people told him to stop and other employees intervened. And even then he fractured a person's skull.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580012]No, that would be a manslaughter charge over a nonlethal attack. The point being is he did stop, and no one was killed. Now if they pursued at him with a gun or a knife and he beat them to the point of death, then yeah I could understand it.[/QUOTE] he didn't seem like he was going to stop if everyone wasn't screaming at him. considering one of them fractured their skull that is dangerously close to something very serious happening

[QUOTE=Simski;33580015]This is not about just the fucking slap, it's about point number fucking 3 that you so graciously ignored after you pointed it out yourself only to ignore it when it failed as a counter argument.[/QUOTE] Ignore the main point and you will never be wrong!

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580022] And once again I'd like to point out that angry women are a lot more dangerous than you think bare handed, surely not nearly as dangerous as an armed person, but to shrug them off as harmless flies is beyond retarded.[/QUOTE] As is assuming they have a weapon when they slapped you. If they wanted to use a gun or knife on him, they would've used him while still having the element of surprise, not while coming at him.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580012]No, that would be a manslaughter charge over a nonlethal attack. The point being is he did stop, and no one was killed. Now if they pursued at him with a gun or a knife and he beat them to the point of death, then yeah I could understand it.[/QUOTE] Attempted murder. He had to be stopped, he didn't stop himself.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580037]Ignore the main point and you will never be wrong![/QUOTE] Like you guys are ignoring the severity of their injuries?