Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580026]Have you seen prisons in the US? They are the most terrifying and volatile environments you could think to be in on domestic US soil. Fuck, in prison you'll get stabbed for just looking at someone in a disrespectful manner.[/QUOTE] in England it's still pretty bad, but over here that generally teaches you to shut the fuck up and think before you do anything stupid. This guy did something stupid, and I don't think there's any excusing that regardless of whether or not he's an ex-con

[QUOTE=Simski;33580029]I'm saying that it's human fucking nature to be scared shitless when your attacker tries to get back up.[/QUOTE] [Citation needed]

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580022]But you said it would be okay to do it if she had a weapon, considering how fast everything happened. How the flying [b]fuck[/b] is anyone supposed to determine the level of danger they are in in a situation like this? And once again I'd like to point out that angry women are a lot more dangerous than you think bare handed, surely not nearly as dangerous as an armed person, but to shrug them off as harmless flies is beyond retarded.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but generally when someone aims to attack you with a weapon, they have the fucking weapon out. Even in this kind of situation, I wouldn't think even for a second, even as a default position, that someone angry at me over an order at McDonalds is going to be carrying a lethal weapon.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33580014]Okay now you're adding a whole 'nother level of nonsense to this. He's outnumbered? There's two women, and at least one other employee [I]right next to him.[/I][/QUOTE] He's chased into a narrow area and the females aren't targeting his fellow workers and his workers or the customers are not interfering, therefor he 1 up against 2.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33580031]Yes, he stopped only after multiple people told him to stop and other employees intervened. And even then he fractured a person's skull.[/QUOTE] That's sometimes what it takes to get someone to calm down in that state. When you are in a state like that everything else is drowned out, and all that you're focusing on is the threat in front of you. So when someone comes to break things up it calms things down. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580040]Attempted murder. He had to be stopped, he didn't stop himself.[/QUOTE] Attempted murder is the intention to murder someone but failing to do so. I doubt his intention was to murder someone when he woke up that morning to go to work.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580053]That's sometimes what it takes to get someone to calm down in that state. When you are in a state like that everything else is drowned out, and all that you're focusing on is the threat in front of you. So when someone comes to break things up it calms things down.[/QUOTE] No, that's NOT normal behavior. People like that need psychiatric help.

[QUOTE=Simski;33580029]I'm saying that it's human fucking nature to be scared shitless when your attacker tries to get back up.[/QUOTE] Really, so you beat someone into the ground, and they try to get up. At that point, you're scared shitless going "Oh no! The person I've just beaten senseless in retaliation is trying to get away from being beaten senseless!"?

[QUOTE=Simski;33580049]He's chased into a narrow area and the females aren't targeting his fellow workers and his workers or the customers are not interfering, therefor he 1 up against 2.[/QUOTE] With a weapon while they're unarmed. That balances it a bit.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580046][Citation needed][/QUOTE] Fuck wikipedia, I can't be arsed to look up the sources for survival instinct and adrenaline rushes when I've got you guys making short petty arguments at the speed of sound.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580039]As is assuming they have a weapon when they slapped you. If they wanted to use a gun or knife on him, they would've used him while still having the element of surprise, not while coming at him.[/QUOTE] It's honestly retarded to assume that they could have a weapon? WHY? I carry a box cutter with me at all times, why? Because I work a lot and I have to break down boxes a lot. That is a weapon, many people have things that they carry on them that can be used as weapons. In this day in age, where weapons can instantly kill you and are easily concealable, how is it hard to imagine that someone would have one on them? I mean honestly you act like that is paranoia talking. And once again I'd like to point out that I am not suggesting to always assume people are armed, but when you are being attacked, and there is a chance that you could be seriously injured by people attacking you over something as ridiculous as 2 buns and a peice of beef, then I fail to see why reacting in a very aggressive manner is so hard to believe.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580061]No, that's NOT normal behavior. People like that need psychiatric help.[/QUOTE] Then every human being on this planet needs help. Even our own soldiers are conditioned to harness that fight or flight adrenaline reaction in battle to survive. You can't tell me that it simply doesn't exist. If you do, I have to say you are the biggest bigot I've ever met.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580046][Citation needed][/QUOTE] If you haven't learned this then I don't know what to say, that is common knowledge, what you said is a flat out lie used as a supporting argument.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580071]It's honestly retarded to assume that they could have a weapon? WHY? I carry a box cutter with me at all times, why? Because I work a lot and I have to break down boxes a lot. That is a weapon, many people have things that they carry on them that can be used as weapons. In this day in age, where weapons can instantly kill you and are easily concealable, how is it hard to imagine that someone would have one on them? I mean honestly you act like that is paranoia talking. And once again I'd like to point out that I am not suggesting to always assume people are armed, but when you are being attacked, and there is a chance that you could be seriously injured by people attacking you over something as ridiculous as 2 buns and a peice of beef, then I fail to see why reacting in a very aggressive manner is so hard to believe.[/QUOTE] I don't walk on the street constantly being worried someone might have a weapon, no.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580071]It's honestly retarded to assume that they could have a weapon? WHY? I carry a box cutter with me at all times, why? Because I work a lot and I have to break down boxes a lot. That is a weapon, many people have things that they carry on them that can be used as weapons. In this day in age, where weapons can instantly kill you and are easily concealable, how is it hard to imagine that someone would have one on them? I mean honestly you act like that is paranoia talking. And once again I'd like to point out that I am not suggesting to always assume people are armed, but when you are being attacked, and there is a chance that you could be seriously injured by people attacking you over something as ridiculous as 2 buns and a peice of beef, then I fail to see why reacting in a very aggressive manner is so hard to believe.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that reacting in an aggressive manner is hard to believe, just to clarify that. What I'm saying is that I find it bewildering that this guy, a repeat offender, is getting off scot free and a scary amount of FP applauding his actions.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580074]Then every human being on this planet needs help. Even our own soldiers are conditioned to harness that fight or flight adrenaline reaction in battle to survive. You can't tell me that it simply doesn't exist. If you do, I have to say you are the biggest bigot I've ever met.[/QUOTE] there's a difference between fight or flight and the red mist descending, which this seemed closer to

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33580062]Really, so you beat someone into the ground, and they try to get up. At that point, you're scared shitless going "Oh no! The person I've just beaten senseless in retaliation is trying to get away from being beaten senseless!"?[/QUOTE] Well guess what, they're both fucking scared senseless so you guys are fucking retarded if you think he's the only one wrong for not being able to think completely rational in a situation like that.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580079]I don't walk on the street constantly being worried someone might have a weapon, no.[/QUOTE] You do if you've ever been walking the street of Little 5 Points in Atlanta after a show late at night.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580074]Then every human being on this planet needs help. Even our own soldiers are conditioned to harness that fight or flight adrenaline reaction in battle to survive. You can't tell me that it simply doesn't exist. If you do, I have to say you are the biggest bigot I've ever met.[/QUOTE] Because soldiers fighting eachother is totally comparable to this.

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;33567811]You can if they use way more force than necessary, which this guy arguably did, depending on how you see it.[/QUOTE] The way I see it is this guy has a previous and somewhat serious offense, yet he is trying to live a normal life and reintergrate into society. Even if his response was overreacting the very most he should be mandated to have some councelling to help him deal with such stress issues, not penalized for being prevoked and so probably ruining any chance of a future job, condemning him to a criminal life style in order to surivive.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580079]I don't walk on the street constantly being worried someone might have a weapon, no.[/QUOTE] Fantastic reading! [b]And once again I'd like to point out that I am not suggesting to always assume people are armed,[/b]

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580084]I'm not saying that reacting in an aggressive manner is hard to believe, just to clarify that. What I'm saying is that I find it bewildering that this guy, a repeat offender, is getting off scot free and a scary amount of FP applauding his actions.[/QUOTE] We are applauding it because it is right. And you are incapable of understanding this. I think it would have been fucking disgusting if he had been sent to jail for minding his own business and being attacked.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580098]Fantastic reading! [b]And once again I'd like to point out that I am not suggesting to always assume people are armed,[/b][/QUOTE] Yet you're arguing on that assumption. Doesn't help your case that much. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580103]We are applauding it because it is right. And you are incapable of understanding this. I think it would have been fucking disgusting if he had been sent to jail for minding his own business and being attacked.[/QUOTE] How is cracking skulls in a scenario like this right? It's not right, it's fucking psychotic.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580093]Because soldiers fighting eachother is totally comparable to this.[/QUOTE] Well, they're humans, and they acknowledge the importance to condition human instinct and drive to survive. Since this guy was human I think it's fair to say human instinct and biology is what drives a fight or flight response.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580109]Well, they're humans, and they acknowledge the importance to condition human instinct and drive to survive. Since this guy was human I think it's fair to say human instinct and biology is what drives a fight or flight response.[/QUOTE] Except that both parties are armed in the soldier scenario as opposed to this one.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580112]Except that both parties are armed in the soldier scenario as opposed to this one.[/QUOTE] "But they might've had a switchblade or a gun!"

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580112]Except that both parties are armed in the soldier scenario as opposed to this one.[/QUOTE] The point isn't that humans in one scenario are armed. I'm addressing the fact that you guys are completely ignoring human biology and the reactions we have to threats. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;33580119]"But they might've had a switchblade or a gun!"[/QUOTE] I've never said anywhere that I'd be worried about the possibility of a weapon.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580123]The point isn't that humans in one scenario are armed. I'm addressing the fact that you guys are completely ignoring human biology and the reactions we have to threats.[/QUOTE] What I'm trying to address is that this was a hugely excessive response.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580109]Well, they're humans, and they acknowledge the importance to condition human instinct and drive to survive. Since this guy was human I think it's fair to say human instinct and biology is what drives a fight or flight response.[/QUOTE] And at the same time we're taught not to act on it, and think clearly before you act. To realize what you're doing while you're doing it. People that can't do that, that can't see that his reaction is over the top, are a hazard to society. They're people that can't see right from wrong. They're people that can kill people without even realizing it. I hope I never meet any of you in person, as I would fear for my life that for some reason you'd think I was dangerous. And that you'd start beating me.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580123]The point isn't that humans in one scenario are armed. I'm addressing the fact that you guys are completely ignoring human biology and the reactions we have to threats.[/QUOTE] There are different levels of threats, you know. For example if someone comes at you with a gun, you're going to have a different reaction than someone yelling at you.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580123]The point isn't that humans in one scenario are armed. I'm addressing the fact that you guys are completely ignoring human biology and the reactions we have to threats.[/QUOTE] no one is ignoring biology, we're saying that it shouldn't be an excuse. How can you differentiate between this being his survival instinct kicking in when faced with a threat, or a red mist descending on him and driving him into a serious assault on someone? people ignore those things all the time, so I don't think this guy should get a pass