Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580132]And at the same time we're taught not to act on it, and think clearly before you act. To realize what you're doing while you're doing it. People that can't do that, that can't see that his reaction is over the top, are a hazard to society. They're people that can't see right from wrong. They're people that can kill people without even realizing it. I hope I never meet any of you in person, as I would fear for my life that for some reason you'd think I was dangerous. And that you'd start beating me.[/QUOTE] Only if you attacked us first :downs:

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580132]And at the same time we're taught not to act on it, and think clearly before you act. To realize what you're doing while you're doing it. People that can't do that, that can't see that his reaction is over the top, are a hazard to society. They're people that can't see right from wrong. They're people that can kill people without even realizing it. I hope I never meet any of you in person, as I would fear for my life that for some reason you'd think I was dangerous. And that you'd start beating me.[/QUOTE] Hence why I said "condition" in my post. Soldiers are trained to harness natural instincts to survive. This guy was going off of pure adrenaline and a biological reaction he had to a threat.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580104]Yet you're arguing on that assumption. Doesn't help your case that much.[/QUOTE] How am I arguing on that assumption if I have stated multiple times that I am solely talking about when you are actually [b]being[/b] attacked?! I don't know what else to say... Your sympathetic nervous system is the part of the brain that conducts the fight or flight response. Never heard of it? Its that part at the bottom where your brain connects to your spine and is activated by stress. It is a component of the autonomic nervous system, I.E automatic reactions/involuntary actions. Know what else is dictated by the autonomic nervous system? things like respiration. This part of the brain is on the POLAR OPPOSITE SIDE of your frontal lobe, which is the area that dictates your personality and voluntary actions. I really don't like sounding like a pretentious psychologist but those are the facts, To be SO IGNORANT as to completely ignore the fact that fight or flight operates on an emotional response rather than a logical response is to completely deny the VERY FUCKING STRUCTURE of your OWN BRAIN I understand that you consider his response completely barbaric and unnecessary, but that is because you are not in a state of fight or flight, life or death doesn't matter to you. You are dictating your actions on a conscious level using a voluntary part of your brain. If you want to shrug that off as psycho babble then go the fuck ahead and be willingly ignorant.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;33580141]Only if you attacked us first :downs:[/QUOTE] [I]But what if I had a concealed weapon, how would you know? Best take me out before I take it out and shoot you![/I]

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33580119]"But they might've had a switchblade or a gun!"[/QUOTE] Does not fucking matter. They were acting hostile and didn't just leave it as physical and verbal abuse, but actually pursued him when he retreated. They were not acting like rational human beings that you could have a cup of tea and a nice chat about them leaving him alone, they were acting in very hostile manner. Perhaps assuming that they were wielding a gun is too much, but they might still have a knife, and even if they didn't they might still try to beat the shit out of him. So he gets a weapon to protect himself if they don't back the fuck off, and if they would have backed the fuck off then this wouldn't be in the news.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580162][I]But what if I had a concealed weapon, how would you know? Best take me out before I take it out and shoot you![/I][/QUOTE] True, from now on im gonna attack everyone I see just in case!

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580149]How am I arguing on that assumption if I have stated multiple times that I am solely talking about when you are actually [b]being[/b] attacked?! I don't know what else to say... Your sympathetic nervous system is the part of the brain that conducts the fight or flight response. Never heard of it? Its that part at the bottom where your brain connects to your spine and is activated by stress. It is a component of the autonomic nervous system, I.E automatic reactions/involuntary actions. Know what else is dictated by the autonomic nervous system? things like respiration. This part of the brain is on the POLAR OPPOSITE SIDE of your frontal lobe, which is the area that dictates your personality and voluntary actions. I really don't like sounding like a pretentious psychologist but those are the facts, To be SO IGNORANT as to completely ignore the fact that fight or flight operates on an emotional response rather than a logical response is to completely deny the VERY FUCKING STRUCTURE of your OWN BRAIN I understand that you consider his response completely barbaric and unnecessary, but that is because you are not in a state of fight or flight, life or death doesn't matter to you. You are dictating your actions on a conscious level using a voluntary part of your brain. If you want to shrug that off as psycho babble then go the fuck ahead and be willingly ignorant.[/QUOTE] This, in so many ways

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580149]How am I arguing on that assumption if I have stated multiple times that I am solely talking about when you are actually [b]being[/b] attacked?! I don't know what else to say... Your sympathetic nervous system is the part of the brain that conducts the fight or flight response. Never heard of it? Its that part at the bottom where your brain connects to your spine and is activated by stress. It is a component of the autonomic nervous system, I.E automatic reactions/involuntary actions. Know what else is dictated by the autonomic nervous system? things like respiration. This part of the brain is on the POLAR OPPOSITE SIDE of your frontal lobe, which is the area that dictates your personality and voluntary actions. I really don't like sounding like a pretentious psychologist but those are the facts, To be SO IGNORANT as to completely ignore the fact that fight or flight operates on an emotional response rather than a logical response is to completely deny the VERY FUCKING STRUCTURE of your OWN BRAIN I understand that you consider his response completely barbaric and unnecessary, but that is because you are not in a state of fight or flight, life or death doesn't matter to you. You are dictating your actions on a conscious level using a voluntary part of your brain. If you want to shrug that off as psycho babble then go the fuck ahead and be willingly ignorant.[/QUOTE] All very true. But humans have the capability to suppress instinctive behavior.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580149]How am I arguing on that assumption if I have stated multiple times that I am solely talking about when you are actually [b]being[/b] attacked?! I don't know what else to say... Your sympathetic nervous system is the part of the brain that conducts the fight or flight response. Never heard of it? Its that part at the bottom where your brain connects to your spine and is activated by stress. It is a component of the autonomic nervous system, I.E automatic reactions/involuntary actions. Know what else is dictated by the autonomic nervous system? things like respiration. This part of the brain is on the POLAR OPPOSITE SIDE of your frontal lobe, which is the area that dictates your personality and voluntary actions. I really don't like sounding like a pretentious psychologist but those are the facts, To be SO IGNORANT as to completely ignore the fact that fight or flight operates on an emotional response rather than a logical response is to completely deny the VERY FUCKING STRUCTURE of your OWN BRAIN I understand that you consider his response completely barbaric and unnecessary, but that is because you are not in a state of fight or flight, life or death doesn't matter to you. You are dictating your actions on a conscious level using a voluntary part of your brain. If you want to shrug that off as psycho babble then go the fuck ahead and be willingly ignorant.[/QUOTE] except once again, I and many people I know manage to deal with this emotional response all the time. fits of rage are also emotional not rational responses, those aren't excused in a court of law though.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580182]except once again, I and many people I know manage to deal with this emotional response all the time. fits of rage are also emotional not rational responses, those aren't excused in a court of law though.[/QUOTE] Except that apparently in this case they are.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580175]All very true. But humans have the capability to suppress instinctive behavior.[/QUOTE] Uh not when an involuntary process is fucking making you do something. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580182]except once again, I and many people I know manage to deal with this emotional response all the time. fits of rage are also emotional not rational responses, those aren't excused in a court of law though.[/QUOTE] There's a different between a fit of rage and a reaction to a threat. If I raged and beat someone to a bloody pulp because they knocked over a can of soda, then yeah, that's fucking stupid. But when you're reacting to an active threat it's all biological.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580175]All very true. But humans have the capability to suppress instinctive behavior.[/QUOTE] That is a [b]very[/b] bold statement to make. Especially since he had no reason to [i]suppress[/i] the behaviour considering he believed he was in danger, and I agree he was as well. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580182]except once again, I and many people I know manage to deal with this emotional response all the time. fits of rage are also emotional not rational responses, those aren't excused in a court of law though.[/QUOTE] Because you said it millions of years of evolution is disproved.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580195] There's a different between a fit of rage and a reaction to a threat.[/QUOTE] well if we're making the argument that they're emotional and not rational responses, then apparently they're equally uncontrollable and we have to make excuses for people that lose themselves in it.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580175]All very true. But humans have the capability to suppress instinctive behavior.[/QUOTE] Depending on both the human and the situation you're in. In a controlled situation, very likely. In the unpredictable event that two customers go batshit insane over a cheeseburger and starts attacking you, less likely.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580195]Uh not when an involuntary process is fucking making you do something. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] There's a different between a fit of rage and a reaction to a threat.[/QUOTE] Oh so now all of a sudden it isn't an emotional response to a threat? It's just a reaction to a threat? Now all of a sudden he isn't doing something that he can't control AKA it isn't a fit of rage? Does that even make it any better? That means that he was in perfect control of what he was doing, and can fully be held accountable for his actions.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580206] Because you said it millions of years of evolution is disproved.[/QUOTE] no I'm just saying if you can't handle yourself like a reasonable human being, then you're doing something wrong. Everyone was screaming at him to stop, that shows he'd gone too far.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580221]Oh so now all of a sudden it isn't an emotional response to a threat? It's just a reaction to a threat? Now all of a sudden he isn't doing something that he can't control AKA it isn't a fit of rage? Does that even make it any better? That means that he was in perfect control of what he was doing, and can fully be held accountable for his actions.[/QUOTE] He's acting on survival instinct, his brain is telling him that he is in danger and needs to protect himself.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580215]well if we're making the argument that they're emotional and not rational responses, then apparently they're equally uncontrollable and we have to make excuses for people that lose themselves in it.[/QUOTE] The thing is this guy didn't lose himself in a fit of rage, if that were the case he would've reacted as soon as he was slapped. He reacted based on what his brain was telling him. If you start raging over a spilled can of soda you need help; but to say someone needs help for reacting that way in a violent situation is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580229]no I'm just saying if you can't handle yourself like a reasonable human being, then you're doing something wrong. Everyone was screaming at him to stop, that shows he'd gone too far.[/QUOTE] No, the fact that he stopped when they told him shows that he came to his senses and calmed down.

With that name, he'll still get sued by apple.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580229]no I'm just saying if you can't handle yourself like a reasonable human being, then you're doing something wrong. Everyone was screaming at him to stop, that shows he'd gone too far.[/QUOTE] Everyone else was a bystander in a state of panic. Once again, that has NOTHING to do with what he was feeling at the moment of being attacked.

[QUOTE=Simski;33580254]No, the fact that he stopped when they told them shows that he came to his senses and calmed down.[/QUOTE] It took 10 hits before people finally decided he should stop?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580221]Oh so now all of a sudden it isn't an emotional response to a threat? It's just a reaction to a threat? Now all of a sudden he isn't doing something that he can't control AKA it isn't a fit of rage? Does that even make it any better? That means that he was in perfect control of what he was doing, and can fully be held accountable for his actions.[/QUOTE] Considering acting on emotions is the opposite of acting on logic, the point is exactly the same.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580249]The thing is this guy didn't lose himself in a fit of rage. He reacted based on what his brain was telling him. But if you start raging over a spilled can of soda you need help; but to say someone needs help for reacting that way in a violent situation is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] no it isn't; he was really swinging for them with that stick, I've never seen anyone who was of sound mind act like that in a confrontation. I'm not talking about this stupid can of soda fit you're talking about, I'm talking about two people verbally antagonising one another and one of them losing it and attacking the other person. In that situation, everything in your body is saying 'fuck this guy up' so it seems like an odd distinction to make.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580265]It took 10 hits before people finally decided he should stop?[/QUOTE] Yes. This is what happens when you're in a state of panic after being threatened by two hostile people. Stop arguing already, you're not making any progress and this is getting tiresome.

[QUOTE=Simski;33580246]He's acting on survival instinct, his brain is telling him that he is in danger and needs to protect himself.[/QUOTE] His brain is telling him that he is in danger and has to beat the two women lying on the floor to death with a lead pipe. And you dare tell me there is nothing wrong with this guy?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580265]It took 10 hits before people finally decided he should stop?[/QUOTE] Do you think he was counting the hits? He wasn't thinking anything, he was reacting. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580283] And you dare tell me there is nothing wrong with this guy?[/QUOTE] That is exactly what we are saying, you are just ignoring common sense. You should step back for a second and consider what you meant when you said "his brain", your brain is who you are, for all intents and purposes, you are that organ and the rest of your organs are there to keep your brain functioning. When you think if it like that, it wasn't, "his brain" telling him to beat the women, it was [b]him[/b] reacting to the situation he was in based on the way [b]he[/b] has been designed to do so.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580283]His brain is telling him that he is in danger and has to beat the two women lying on the floor to death with a lead pipe. And you dare tell me there is nothing wrong with this guy?[/QUOTE] They kept trying to get up. And no I dont think there is anything wrong with him, I would have probably done the same.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580265]It took 10 hits before people finally decided he should stop?[/QUOTE] It took 10 hits before they'd stop trying to get back up. He wasn't actively evaluating their medical condition when we was hitting them. Now if you have those abilities you should donate yourself to medicine and help diagnose people in hospitals. If you can react to a situation like that all while sipping from a cuppatea I would love to see that.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580284] That is exactly what we are saying, you are just ignoring common sense.[/QUOTE] I'm not ignoring common sense, the only person I've ever seen act like that in a similar situation is now up in parkhurst