Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33580283]His brain is telling him that he is in danger and has to beat the two women lying on the floor to death with a lead pipe. And you dare tell me there is nothing wrong with this guy?[/QUOTE] Yes. These two people were acting hostile towards him and were not unlikely to keep attacking him unless he defended themselves, once down they continue to try to get back up, which in his state of mind could easily be perceived as not giving up and attempting to get back up so they could continue trying to beat him. He does not in his situation know for sure that they're out, since they won't stay down.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580308]I'm not ignoring common sense, the only person I've ever seen act like that in a similar situation is now up in parkhurst[/QUOTE] It's great that your narrow life experience has made you ignorant but it doesn't change much.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580276]no it isn't; he was really swinging for them with that stick, I've never seen anyone who was of sound mind act like that in a confrontation. I'm not talking about this stupid can of soda fit you're talking about, I'm talking about two people verbally antagonising one another and one of them losing it and attacking the other person. In that situation, everything in your body is saying 'fuck this guy up' so it seems like an odd distinction to make.[/QUOTE] When he first got that pipe he was swinging in a pretty wide area. It's called trying to keep your distance. But they kept at him, and as soon as they got too close for comfort he reacted appropriately. If the threat of a lead pipe being wielded by someone willing to hit you with it doesn't stop you acting like a stupid fuck, then you deserve a fractured skull and broken bones.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580321]It's great that your narrow life experience has made you ignorant but it doesn't change much.[/QUOTE] alright well fuck this, you've resorted to insults and ad hominem so I'm just walking away from this argument. I've conducted myself reasonably the whole time, I've never attacked anyone personally in this discussion.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580334]alright well fuck this, you've resorted to insults and ad hominem so I'm just walking away from this argument. I've conducted myself reasonably the whole time, I've never attacked anyone personally in this discussion.[/QUOTE] It's not an insult, but your main argument seems to be "Well basically I've had X happened to me and this is how it happened so this is why I think"

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580334]alright well fuck this, you've resorted to insults and ad hominem so I'm just walking away from this argument. I've conducted myself reasonably the whole time, I've never attacked anyone personally in this discussion.[/QUOTE] Well trying to ridicule the other person's argument is still not completely harmless, especially not here on Facepunch when both sides have basically already said "fuck off" to any real respect and courtesy to their opposition when having an argument. Arguments here are like a contest between bitter rivals who are both sore losers, not very pretty[sp]but darn good entertainment none the less.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580347]It's not an insult, but your main argument seems to be "Well basically I've had X happened to me and this is how it happened so this is why I think"[/QUOTE] that's not my argument at all, my argument was 'people can clearly contain themselves as they've done in the past, so why should this guy be excused' that's not an ignorant point to make, people restrain themselves in situations like this all the time. You called me ignorant when I probably have a fair bit more life experience than most people debating in this thread, and to be honest I don't think this argument's worth it. He's a violent criminal who was violent again, and I don't think he should be getting off scot-free. Now I'm done

I mean, honestly I love all of you guys. Even those of you who have different opinions. Because of threads like these I can polish my wits and practice debating. I still have a world of respect for each of you alike. Plus, if anyone ever takes things here personally there's something wrong with you.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33580372]that's not my argument at all, my argument was 'people can clearly contain themselves as they've done in the past, so why should this guy be excused' that's not an ignorant point to make, people restrain themselves in situations like this all the time. You called me ignorant when I probably have a fair bit more life experience than most people debating in this thread, and to be honest I don't think this argument's worth it. He's a violent criminal who was violent again, and I don't think he should be getting off scot-free. Now I'm done[/QUOTE] My argument was based on what I know about the human brain and what I've seen from working in a very similar occupation. I've seen you state multiple times that you conducted yourself differently in a similar situation as a counter argument which means nothing to me.

Anyways, I am really fucking hungry and I'm going to go get a sandwich from a local joint. But fucking god help them if they forget my pickles. I'll bludgeon a cashier if they get it wrong! :v:

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580376]I mean, honestly I love all of you guys. Even those of you who have different opinions. Because of threads like these I can polish my wits and practice debating. I still have a world of respect for each of you alike. Plus, if anyone ever takes things here personally there's something wrong with you.[/QUOTE] This is the only place where I can actually get hooked into a debate. debates are heated, I try not to throw words around, but I'll still be very aggressive!

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580376]I mean, honestly I love all of you guys. Even those of you who have different opinions. Because of threads like these I can polish my wits and practice debating. I still have a world of respect for each of you alike. Plus, if anyone ever takes things here personally there's something wrong with you.[/QUOTE] I'm a very nice person in real life,[sp]I use Internet arguments as a harmless place to vent my rage[/sp] :v:

Watch as some newcomer fucks up our peace just as we've come to terms with this debate not going anywhere. Facepunch style.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33580323]If the threat of a lead pipe being wielded by someone willing to hit you with it doesn't stop you acting like a stupid fuck, then you deserve a fractured skull and broken bones.[/QUOTE] Like trying to get away?

I bet if it was a man he beat up this thread wouldn't be as long

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33580694]Like trying to get away?[/QUOTE] are you a deliberate idiot? he's referring to the fact that the guy [I]swings the pipe to get them to back off[/I]. They don't.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33580395]This is the only place where I can actually get hooked into a debate. debates are heated, I try not to throw words around, but I'll still be very aggressive![/QUOTE] We've all got a little debate club nerd inside us which we bring out in Sensationalist Headlines.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33578194]just because they work in a shitty greasy job doesn't somehow make it less bad for him to bash people's skulls in. I don't know why people cheer this on, they should have all been indicted on assault charges.[/QUOTE] I don't see how that's "talking down to the cashier", that's based around an enviroment/job, I'm not saying that because he's a mcdonalds employee he's a monkey. Yes, working in a stressful job will make you generally more easy to anger, it's only common sense. don't exaggerate my words please Also, late response because I had to sleep

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;33567759]A worker was assaulted [B]at his job[/B], and he fought back with strong, but non-lethal force. Period. You cannot crucify someone for defending themselves.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't call a fractured skull non-lethal. But he was right anyhow.

Why is this even open to debate? If someone comes at you you gotta give it to 'em, for your life. Specially if there are two of 'em, and that's when you shit your pants.

[QUOTE=Miskav;33565692]Welllllllll I can think of a few cases where "Excessive force" is a fitting term. This isn't one of them though.[/QUOTE] What if he kill one of the women?

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;33592177]What if he kill one of the women?[/QUOTE] Manslaughter. Well, he acted in self defense so it may be even less then that

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;33592155]Why is this even open to debate? If someone comes at you you gotta give it to 'em, for your life. Specially if there are two of 'em, and that's when you shit your pants.[/QUOTE] you're allowed to use REASONABLE force to defend yourself. cracking someones skull while they're on the ground isn't reasonable. and there was clearly a bunch of other employees there that were willing to help him.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33592211]you're allowed to use REASONABLE force to defend yourself. cracking someones skull while they're on the ground isn't reasonable. and there was clearly a bunch of other employees there that were willing to help him.[/QUOTE] Hm, I see what you say mister. I was thinking about that tho, and that whole thing happened [i]really[/i] fast, y'know, heat of the moment, etc. And still, there being two of 'em, I don't think I'd give 'em the advantage of getting up. I don't think he meant to actually fracture them, he meant to defend himself. They hopped the counter and got more than what they bargained for. Yes, the other employees promptly stopped him at one moment, cause he was in a tunnel vision sort of thing, you know, whereas, you just want to make sure things will go well for you, and will pretty much shrug the entirety of the situation off, and keep focused on doing one thing. That's what I think, I guess.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33592211]you're allowed to use REASONABLE force to defend yourself. cracking someones skull while they're on the ground isn't reasonable. and there was clearly a bunch of other employees there that were willing to help him.[/QUOTE] You usually aren't exactly able to considerate reasonable force when you're in a fight. The guy was defending himself against two angry women in a kitchen full of potential weapons that he or they could have grabbed instead of that metal rod - he clearly told them to stay down, and they tried to get up several times (once I can understand, again human reflex, but after that it's just misplaced tenacity).

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33592319]You usually aren't exactly able to considerate reasonable force when you're in a fight. The guy was defending himself against two angry women in a kitchen full of potential weapons that he or they could have grabbed instead of that metal rod - he clearly told them to stay down, and they tried to get up several times (once I can understand, again human reflex, but after that it's just misplaced tenacity).[/QUOTE] The thing you people don't understand is that the law does not care whether you were able to considerate reasonable force or not. You are allowed to defend yourself with reasonable force, period. If this shitty judge hadn't decided not to prosecute he would have been sentenced. If I were one of the women, I'd press charges still.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33595624]The thing you people don't understand is that the law does not care whether you were able to considerate reasonable force or not. You are allowed to defend yourself with reasonable force, period. If this shitty judge hadn't decided not to prosecute he would have been sentenced. If I were one of the women, I'd press charges still.[/QUOTE] I don't mean to say this as an attack or anything, just curiosity, but what justifies you to ask for the guy to be charged if you went and attacked him in the first place? One of 'em got a fractured skull and needed surgery, the other one got a broken arm, I do believe they had enough, it's sorta time to turn around the car and stop committing mistakes.

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;33597776]I don't mean to say this as an attack or anything, just curiosity, but what justifies you to ask for the guy to be charged if you went and attacked him in the first place? One of 'em got a fractured skull and needed surgery, the other one got a broken arm, I do believe they had enough, it's sorta time to turn around the car and stop committing mistakes.[/QUOTE] What justifies it? The law. Is that really so hard to understand? They did something wrong, he defended himself and then won't on to do something that is wrong as well, but you people keep saying it's right just because the women attacked him first. This is simply not true.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33597938]What justifies it? The law. Is that really so hard to understand? They did something wrong, he defended himself and then won't on to do something that is wrong as well, but you people keep saying it's right just because the women attacked him first. This is simply not true.[/QUOTE] No one here said the broken arm and fractured skulls are right and good and had to be done - we just said it's an acceptable consequence of self-defense.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33597938]What justifies it? The law. Is that really so hard to understand? They did something wrong, he defended himself and then won't on to do something that is wrong as well, but you people keep saying it's right just because the women attacked him first. This is simply not true.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;33598102]No one here said the broken arm and fractured skulls are right and good and had to be done - we just said it's an acceptable consequence of self-defense.[/QUOTE] Exactly, if you go after someone in that brash, agressive manner, you are expected to deal with the consequences you deserve.