Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33598102]No one here said the broken arm and fractured skulls are right and good and had to be done - we just said it's an acceptable consequence of self-defense.[/QUOTE] No that's exactly what people here are saying and no that's not an acceptable consequence of self defence

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33598182]No that's exactly what people here are saying and no that's not an acceptable consequence of self defence[/QUOTE] Alright, having it your way, two barbaric women would jump the counter, the guy would say "oh boy, the law doesn't allow for myself to defend me against these two charming persons, here I go" then he takes it, we'll have to leave it up to imagination what went down in that McDonald's kitchen, then. I just don't think it's right to go apeshit over someone questioning your money, and then attacking them, then assaulting the business and interrupting the whole line, just because you wanted to be a dumbfuck at that moment. [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] Hm, taking it from another angle, you say these two women deserve some sort of compensation for the damage they received from their thwarted assault attempt?

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;33598273]Alright, having it your way, two barbaric women would jump the counter, the guy would say "oh boy, the law doesn't allow for myself to defend me against these two charming persons, here I go" then he takes it, we'll have to leave it up to imagination what went down in that McDonald's kitchen, then. I just don't think it's right to go apeshit over someone questioning your money, and then attacking them, then assaulting the business and interrupting the whole line, just because you wanted to be a dumbfuck at that moment.[/QUOTE] Where did I say that at all? Seriously? Try and find one of my posts where I say the guy should do NOTHING. Come on, do it. What I'm saying is that the guy went too far, it started as self defense but he went on and on and on, kept hitting them. Now if I was the nutjob that had jumped the counter and had my skull cracked, I sure as hell would want a court to decide whether what he did was self defense, or that he took it too far.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33598418]Where did I say that at all? Seriously? Try and find one of my posts where I say the guy should do NOTHING. Come on, do it. What I'm saying is that the guy went too far, it started as self defense but he went on and on and on, kept hitting them. Now if I was the nutjob that had jumped the counter and had my skull cracked, I sure as hell would want a court to decide whether what he did was self defense, or that he took it too far.[/QUOTE] Chill now, yes, I realize I may have talked a bit off the edge, but I did say I don't wanna make this whole thing angstypersonal, so don't go all "DO IT NOW MAN, COME ON" (a simple "i didn't say that" would've sufficed, is what I mean, let's keep the arguments polite). OT: Then I guess we are at an impasse, because really now, if it is as you claim on how the law doesn't care about whether you were able to use considerate force, the guy who defended himself wasn't able to care either, so our argument is going nowhere altogether... Self-defense law is a subject that should be measured with care, and measuring how one handled it isn't the sort of subject that can come on to an actual consensus in an internet forum. (Unless it's that worrying of a subject and we just HAVE to open a poll on it.) I tell you, I think all went well for everyone because that guy didn't end up getting charged with assault when he defended himself, the two women didn't die, and will have to face the law for what they did. Those two should have kept control of themselves initially, they were the ones who weren't in the fight initially and had time to actually think through the situation, then fucking slapped him, and climbed the counter. Rayon McIntosh, tho, was in actual trouble, and it is not possible for everyone to think rationally in these kind of situations, everyone is different and this is a fact, in this situation whereas you would have stopped beating 'em if they were on the floor, he didn't find himself to be you, so he proceeded as if he were himself, you understand? [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] (It's cool if you don't agree, tho...)

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;33598688]Chill now, yes, I realize I may have talked a bit off the edge, but I did say I don't wanna make this whole thing angstypersonal, so don't go all "DO IT NOW MAN, COME ON" (a simple "i didn't say that" would've sufficed, is what I mean, let's keep the arguments polite). OT: Then I guess we are at an impasse, because really now, if it is as you claim on how the law doesn't care about whether you were able to use considerate force, the guy who defended himself wasn't able to care either, so our argument is going nowhere altogether... Self-defense law is a subject that should be measured with care, and measuring how one handled it isn't the sort of subject that can come on to an actual consensus in an internet forum. (Unless it's that worrying of a subject and we just HAVE to open a poll on it.) I tell you, I think all went well for everyone because that guy didn't end up getting charged with assault when he defended himself, the two women didn't die, and will have to face the law for what they did. Those two should have kept control of themselves initially, they were the ones who weren't in the fight initially and had time to actually think through the situation, then fucking slapped him, and climbed the counter. Rayon McIntosh, tho, was in actual trouble, and it is not possible for everyone to think rationally in these kind of situations, everyone is different and this is a fact, in this situation whereas you would have stopped beating 'em if they were on the floor, he didn't find himself to be you, so he proceeded as if he were himself, you understand? [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] (It's cool if you don't agree, tho...)[/QUOTE] I understand how it all could have happened and I even understand that it happened, but that should still be no reason to not at least charge him. These women may not deserve it, but they are fully in their rights to find out whether this guy used excessive force or not. And If I were them, I would have done everything in my power to try and find out. I wouldn't let some jury stop me from taking this further, a jury is far too emotionally involved. (Not that I'd have that problem, there is no jury here). [editline]time[/editline] Seems like he was charged and a jury decided he did nothing wrong. I would still have taken this higher up if I were them.

Well, right then and there, you said it, he got declined on that charge, you said that if you were them you'd try to find out whether this guy used excessive force or not, and that thing apparently got shot down, but you say you still wanna take it higher up, curiously it seems as if your finality wasn't finding out if he went overboard with the beatings, but to have him charged with something anyways.

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;33598688]I think all went well for everyone because that guy didn't end up getting charged with assault when he defended himself, the two women didn't die, and will have to face the law for what they did.[/QUOTE] Not trying to be a douche here, believe me, but what kind of ridiculous claim is that? If you consider a skull fracture 'went well', I'd hate to see what you'd consider 'gone bad'.

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;33598906]Well, right then and there, you said it, he got declined on that charge, you said that if you were them you'd try to find out whether this guy used excessive force or not, and that thing apparently got shot down, but you say you still wanna take it higher up, curiously it seems as if your finality wasn't finding out if he went overboard with the beatings, but to have him charged with something anyways.[/QUOTE] No I just don't trust a jury to make such a decision rationally. Maybe I'm just very unfamiliar with the American justice system, but I would never ever trust a group of random people to decide on mine or someone elses fate. Judges, okay. But not a bunch of people that were forced to be there.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33599078]No I just don't trust a jury to make such a decision rationally. Maybe I'm just very unfamiliar with the American justice system, but I would never ever trust a group of random people to decide on mine or someone elses fate. Judges, okay. But not a bunch of people that were forced to be there.[/QUOTE] To be fair, they don't just randomly pick people. If I remember correctly, they do certain background checks before they call you in. Bear in mind, this is all assuming I'm not mistaken.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33599027]Not trying to be a douche here, believe me, but what kind of ridiculous claim is that? If you consider a skull fracture 'went well', I'd hate to see what you'd consider 'gone bad'.[/QUOTE] Nah, you aren't a douche, it's fine to question someone's position if you don't agree with it. I guess my claim goes towards the fact that they didn't die, and that the skull fracture'd one lived through the surgery. That is 'gone bad' for me. Different tastes, different opinions.

[QUOTE=willer;33565778]Good for him. I hate all those ladies that think they run the world; especially in school. Even saying thank you to those chicks ends with 'shut up, I stopped talking to you' as a reply. one time, they walked with me all throughout the school with their arms in mine, shouting out that I was 'big-dick willy' until I got ISS[/QUOTE] Lol what, what does this have to do with anything? Anyway, the bitches in OP are fucking insane. I don't understand this mentality of someone saying something you don't like, and responding to it with physical violence. That seems like such a jump. I guess they didn't expect him to fight back, eh? Glad it turned out this way, there's no reason for the law to protect women who assault men. They shouldn't have to just accept that kind of treatment. Plus things like that only worsen sexist opinions towards women.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33599027]Not trying to be a douche here, believe me, but what kind of ridiculous claim is that? If you consider a skull fracture 'went well', I'd hate to see what you'd consider 'gone bad'.[/QUOTE] Gone bad would have been in the worker got hurt. Thank god that didn't happen!

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;33583305]Wouldn't call a fractured skull non-lethal. But he was right anyhow.[/QUOTE] Is she dead? No? Then it is non-lethal. And come on guys, if you worked with customers and they were threatening you or even hitting you, would you let them do that to you? No you wouldn't. Then again, you may argue that the broken bones were the act of a deranged individual, they aren't. Why? Because he used a lead pipe, the same as if he would have had a retractable stick, if we can compare. It's a non-lethal self defense mean, that will, undoubtedly, prevent at least one party from getting severely hurt. Trust me, he probably could have done just as bad with his hands, without the fear factor that the lead pipe gave, and with more time. In self defense, you want to get rid of the threat rapidly, not make it last. I work with public and customers, and let me tell you, that every times I get to deal with returns and angry customers, I am always keeping myself a form of preparation, in case the customer snaps or threaten myself. I've never had to defend myself at work, but I did have to calm down some customers .