Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;33568642]Shouldn't have assaulted the guy in the first place! Seriously, what are you talking about?[/QUOTE] I meant this in defense of the man. I realize how badly worded this was.

There's another video of an angry mcdonalds customer smashing through a drive-through window with that exact same thing that he was beating them with It's some kind of thin golf club with no handle

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;33569834]Fracturing a skull and breaking an arm? That flimsy looking rod was a bit more extreme than I had previously thought.[/QUOTE] If that is what I think it is, then it is a pretty sturdy piece of metal. I work at burger king and we use a similar metal pole to clear clogs in the fryers. [editline]4th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Wilford Brimley;33571236]There's another video of an angry mcdonalds customer smashing through a drive-through window with that exact same thing that he was beating them with It's some kind of thin golf club with no handle[/QUOTE] Pretty sure is a fryer cleaning pole

he gets slapped so he fractures one of their skulls and he's NOT getting charged? that's ridiculous, and if you think those 2 women were gonna get up and beat the shit out of him after he just smashed them you're an idiot. self defense ceases when you're capable of and doing far more harm than your aggressor.

Good. Justice is served. Now shut the fuck up and serve me my cheeseburger please.

Those two stupid bitches should know their place and it's not on the side of the counter where they cook the food....wait a minute...

I was waiting for the fatality. It would involve cooking grease, a kid's meal toy, and soft-serve ice cream.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;33565611] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vEc0VIV-_g[/media] Didn't expect this, glad to see I was wrong and he was not charged with assault and the two are facing pending charges.[/QUOTE] I like the totally sensationalist video title.

Yay, My faith in humanity is restored!

"killer behind the counter: gunman who got McDonald's job brutally beat two women after bill dispute" :suicide:

Haha I knew it, I fucking knew that would happen.

[QUOTE=Derposaurus;33576552]Yay, My faith in humanity is restored![/QUOTE] a man can fracture a woman's skull for slapping him and get away with it, my faith in humanity is restored!

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;33567812]Yeah, it was self defense, but when he started beating them on the floor it became borderline excessive.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure this argument was had in the last thread, they kept trying to get up. And even if it were borderline excessive, he got attacked on the job, for doing absolutely nothing, and it's not easy to just flip a switch and go from attack mode to social mode again.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33577515]Pretty sure this argument was had in the last thread, they kept trying to get up. And even if it were borderline excessive, he got attacked on the job, for doing absolutely nothing, and it's not easy to just flip a switch and go from attack mode to social mode again.[/QUOTE] i think trying to get away from someone wailing on you with a piece of metal is basic human nature. and that 'attack mode to social mode' thing is hardly an excuse. we don't condone police brutality because of that do we?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577544]i think trying to get away from someone wailing on you with a piece of metal is basic human nature. and that 'attack mode to social mode' thing is hardly an excuse. we don't condone police brutality because of that do we?[/QUOTE] Well...yes, actually, adrenaline has been used as a justification for excessive violence after the fact before. Last I checked it took a long time to train that out of a person, and some folks never really lose it.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;33577561]Well...yes, actually, adrenaline has been used as a justification for excessive violence after the fact before. Last I checked it took a long time to train that out of a person, and some folks never really lose it.[/QUOTE] is that right? hm, well even then, i still hardly see it as justification to beat someone so badly you fracture their skull and one of their arms.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577544]i think trying to get away from someone wailing on you with a piece of metal is basic human nature. and that 'attack mode to social mode' thing is hardly an excuse. we don't condone police brutality because of that do we?[/QUOTE] Considering police are supposed to be [b]trained[/b] to dole out necessary force without going over the limit, no, we don't. When a McDonalds worker get's attacked out of nowhere by a deranged cunt and isn't mentally prepared to say "Ok, they are incapacitated. My job here is done.", I can't say I'm quite as enthusiastic to have him tried. I can understand your reasoning, and he was a bit excessive, but in this particular case I just wouldn't vote to charge him.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577544]i think trying to get away from someone wailing on you with a piece of metal is basic human nature. and that 'attack mode to social mode' thing is hardly an excuse. we don't condone police brutality because of that do we?[/QUOTE] You should know damn well that when someone is in attack mode, its very hard to get out of, I personally have been in attack mode myself, it takes a lot to get into it, and out. When you're in attack mode, you're no longer "Mr fuck around guy", you're pure instinct. And I note, it isn't called "Attack mode" for no reason, it's called that because that's the mode you [I]really [/I]fuck people up in. And yes, he was a bit excessive, [B][I][U]but you just don't attack someone like that when they're working[/U][/I][/B]. I've worked at a fast food joint, there's a million ways to kill someone in a restaurant, [I]very [/I]quickly. I'd say because he didn't grab a deep frying pan or knife, he was really controlled. [I]When you attack someone like that, and they know where every lethal weapon is, basic common sense says you're going to most likely get killed or lethally beat.[/I]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577582]is that right? hm, well even then, i still hardly see it as justification to beat someone so badly you fracture their skull and one of their arms.[/QUOTE] It's unfortunate that they got beaten so badly but it all could have been pretty easily avoided if she didn't jump over the entire counter and start attacking this guy out of nowhere. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577435]a man can fracture a woman's skull for slapping him and get away with it, my faith in humanity is restored![/QUOTE] it's nice that you pretend she just gave him a slap on the cheek and he brutally beat her skull in for it it's also really nice that you mentioned their genders in an attempt to make it seem like an even worse scenario

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33577598]Considering police are supposed to be [B]trained[/B] to dole out necessary force without going over the limit, no, we don't. When a McDonalds worker get's attacked out of nowhere by a deranged cunt and isn't mentally prepared to say "Ok, they are incapacitated. My job here is done.", I can't say I'm quite as enthusiastic to have him tried. I can understand your reasoning, and he was a bit excessive, but in this particular case I just wouldn't vote to charge him.[/QUOTE] i feel like mc donalds workers must be trained to deal with rowdy customers, this kinda shit seems to happen alot. i feel that hitting them at all was uncalled for, surely he could have just shown them that he had a metal rod and could quite easily beat the shit out of them rather than actually doing it?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577661]i feel like mc donalds workers must be trained to deal with rowdy customers, this kinda shit seems to happen alot. i feel that hitting them at all was uncalled for, surely he could have just shown them that he had a metal rod and could quite easily beat the shit out of them rather than actually doing it?[/QUOTE] Yep, then they would've attacked him for not doing anything, makes sense. Either defend yourself or stand there like a dim wit and take it. Nice. Especially since they could've seen that he's passive and grabbed a weapon as well. Also, note my other post please.

[QUOTE=J!NX;33577602]You should know damn well that when someone is in attack mode, its very hard to get out of, I personally have been in attack mode myself, it takes a lot to get into it, and out. When you're in attack mode, you're no longer "Mr fuck around guy", you're pure instinct. And I note, it isn't called "Attack mode" for no reason, it's called that because that's the mode you [I]really [/I]fuck people up in. And yes, he was a bit excessive, [B][I][U]but you just don't attack someone like that when they're working[/U][/I][/B]. I've worked at a fast food joint, there's a million ways to kill someone in a restaurant, [I]very [/I]quickly. I'd say because he didn't grab a deep frying pan or knife, he was really controlled. [I]When you attack someone like that, and they know where every lethal weapon is, basic common sense says you're going to most likely get killed or lethally beat.[/I][/QUOTE] yeah i dunno i kinda feel that this attack mode shit you're talking about is just a load of shit? you don't go into ADRENALINE FUELED BERZERKER MODE when some bitch slaps you and screams at you, if that was true then i'd have assaulted alot more females with pieces of metal than i have (zero, i have self control) and yeah uh, he already could have easily killed one of them? fractured skull could just as easily be a cracked skull that kills. and yeah that shit you're saying is irrelevant, obviously these idiots had no common sense but that doesn't mean they should be beaten so severely. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;33577605]It's unfortunate that they got beaten so badly but it all could have been pretty easily avoided if she didn't jump over the entire counter and start attacking this guy out of nowhere. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] it's nice that you pretend she just gave him a slap on the cheek and he brutally beat her skull in for it it's also really nice that you mentioned their genders in an attempt to make it seem like an even worse scenario[/QUOTE] it also could have been easily avoided if he had some self control and didn't beat the shit out of them? i'm not defending the women's actions btw. and uh, she DID just slap him? yeah she screamed at him too and ran after him, but again, hardly an excuse to beat the shit of them with a metal rod. and yes i mentioned their gender? men are generally stronger than women and in this case i'd say he was clearly stronger than his aggressors, hence why the metal rod was probably unneeded in the first place.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577680]yeah i dunno i kinda feel that this attack mode shit you're talking about is just a load of shit? you don't go into ADRENALINE FUELED BERZERKER MODE when some bitch slaps you and screams at you, if that was true then i'd have assaulted alot more females with pieces of metal than i have (zero, i have self control) and yeah uh, he already could have easily killed one of them? fractured skull could just as easily be a cracked skull that kills. and yeah that shit you're saying is irrelevant, obviously these idiots had no common sense but that doesn't mean they should be beaten so severely.[/QUOTE] If he went into attack mode, then clearly he was very intimidated by them... I've punched someone before for simply shoving me after being a giant douche for a full day to me. It's called "Snapping", people do that you know. I work as a cashier, yes, really loud, screaming customers jumping over a counter to go after me would intimidate me, are you insane? How do you NOT defend yourself?

[QUOTE=J!NX;33577670]Yep, then they would've attacked him for not doing anything, makes sense. Either defend yourself or stand there like a dim wit and take it. Nice. Especially since they could've seen that he's passive and grabbed a weapon as well. Also, note my other post please.[/QUOTE] lol, it's not a choice between taking it and beating the shit out of someone. and yeah i'm sure that could have happened, they could have pulled guns and shot up the place too! DAMN he shoulda just killed them to be safe! lots of things could have happened, you know what else could have happened? he could have just scared them away or been far less excessive and noone would have been really hurt. nice. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;33577692]If he went into attack mode, then clearly he was very intimidated by them... I work as a cashier, yes, really loud, screaming customers jumping over a counter to go after me would intimidate me, are you insane? How do you NOT defend yourself?[/QUOTE] i'm not arguing that he should or shouldn't defend himself, i'm arguing that beating the shit out of a pair of people on the ground with a metal rod until you fracture one of their skulls isn't self defense.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577705]lol, it's not a choice between taking it and beating the shit out of someone. and yeah i'm sure that could have happened, they could have pulled guns and shot up the place too! DAMN he shoulda just killed them to be safe! lots of things could have happened, you know what else could have happened? he could have just scared them away or been far less excessive and noone would have been really hurt. nice.[/QUOTE] If it was as simple as not attacking them... [B]THEN WHY DIDN'T HE JUST SIMPLY DO THAT?[/B] I mean, obviously you must be a master in controlling yourself when intimidated when being attacked and clearly know everything there is about self control. :downs: Must have tons of experience in working at McDonalds with people attacking you, too...[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577705]i'm not arguing that he should or shouldn't defend himself, i'm arguing that beating the shit out of a pair of people on the ground with a metal rod until you fracture one of their skulls isn't self defense.[/QUOTE] " he could have just scared them away or been far less excessive and noone would have been really hurt. " Aka not defend himself because they wouldn't be scared off that easily by him just standing there pretending to be unstoppable. Sorry, the world doesn't work that way.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577661][b]i feel like mc donalds workers must be trained to deal with rowdy customers,[/b] this kinda shit seems to happen alot. i feel that hitting them at all was uncalled for, surely he could have just shown them that he had a metal rod and could quite easily beat the shit out of them rather than actually doing it?[/QUOTE] I'm trying to be nice even though I disagree, since stuff like this does have a huge gray area, but this is just dumb :v: McDonald's employees don't receive training to ignore basic instinct and switch out of attack mode with ease, they learn how to politely get a customer to fuck off without causing a scene

[QUOTE=J!NX;33577724]If it was as simple as not attacking them... [B]THEN WHY DIDN'T HE JUST SIMPLY DO THAT?[/B] I mean, obviously you must be a master in controlling yourself when intimidated when being attacked and clearly know everything there is about self control. :downs: Must have tons of experience in working at McDonalds with people attacking you, too... " he could have just scared them away or been far less excessive and noone would have been really hurt. " Aka not defend himself because they wouldn't be scared off that easily by him just standing there pretending to be unstoppable. Sorry, the world doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE] he didn't do it because he probably has anger problems? hence the continued beating? and the fact that he was being hostile to his coworkers too? yeah i do know alot about self control, believe it or not you're not the only person on facepunch who's been in violent situations. it doesn't work that way huh? what world do you live in where a woman is gonna try and attack a man with a metal rod saying he'll beat the shit out of her if she doesn't fuck off? and like i said, i'm not saying he shouldn't defend himself, i'm saying BEATING SOMEONES HEAD UNTIL THEIR SKULL FRACTURES WHILE THEY'RE ON THE GROUND IS NOT SELF DEFENSE

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33577829]I'm trying to be nice even though I disagree, since stuff like this does have a huge gray area, but this is just dumb :v: McDonald's employees don't receive training to ignore basic instinct and switch out of attack mode with ease, they learn how to politely get a customer to fuck off without causing a scene[/QUOTE] McDonald's is a corporate embarrassment anyways in my opinion, I could see them training them by showing them a video for 5 minutes on "How to not flip out" and that's it. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;33577848]he didn't do it because he probably has anger problems? hence the continued beating? and the fact that he was being hostile to his coworkers too? yeah i do know alot about self control, believe it or not you're not the only person on facepunch who's been in violent situations. it doesn't work that way huh? what world do you live in where a woman is gonna try and attack a man with a metal rod saying he'll beat the shit out of her if she doesn't fuck off? and like i said, i'm not saying he shouldn't defend himself, i'm saying BEATING SOMEONES HEAD UNTIL THEIR SKULL FRACTURES WHILE THEY'RE ON THE GROUND IS NOT SELF DEFENSE[/QUOTE] Fair enough, but like I said, attack mode, when you're having a bad day, working in a shitty greasy job, you don't want to deal with that kind of treatment. I'd probably be just as pissed off as him.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33577829]I'm trying to be nice even though I disagree, since stuff like this does have a huge gray area, but this is just dumb :v: McDonald's employees don't receive training to ignore basic instinct and switch out of attack mode with ease, they learn how to politely get a customer to fuck off without causing a scene[/QUOTE] i dunno i don't think it's as dumb as all this ATTACK MODE rhetoric you're all spouting. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;33577850]McDonald's is a corporate embarrassment anyways in my opinion, I could see them training them by showing them a video for 5 minutes on "How to not flip out" and that's it.[/QUOTE] not true at all, mc donalds trains their staff quite extensively, i have many friends who work/have worked there.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33577605] it's nice that you pretend she just gave him a slap on the cheek[/QUOTE] iirc that is what happened and then they jumped behind the counter