Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579522]Facepunch sure is showing its best side in this thread. Getting slapped is now grounds for beating someone with a pipe to the point where you fracture skulls, class act.[/QUOTE] He didn't pick the fight, they did, they suffered heavily for it. I fail to see how he is in the wrong for something he didn't want to do in the first place.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579509]He wasn't just slapped, he was slapped and chased by multiple people, why the fuck does that not warrant counter attack? [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] Yeah man, that thing you learn about in 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th and 12th grade science called fight or flight could never ever apply to humans in a fight or flight situation dude good point.[/QUOTE] he was slapped and had 2 women walk after him while they yelled shit at him. he was surrounded by co workers who were calling police and were willing to help him. and like i've always being saying this whole thread, i'm not against him defending himself, i'm against him taking it too far which he obviously did and no amount of "IT'S HUMAN INSTINCT FIGHT OR FLIGHT FIGHT OR FLIGHT" rhetoric is going to justify that.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579522]Facepunch sure is showing its best side in this thread. Getting slapped is now grounds for beating someone with a pipe to the point where you fracture skulls, class act.[/QUOTE] It's not like he was thinking, "fuck this chick I'm going to break bones and fracture skulls" If anything he was thinking, "oh fuck, get this bitch away from me." As for Lachz0r she progressed after him, that's when the decision to react was made. If she walked off he probably would have just had to call the police and file a report.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579519]She also jumped the counter and progressed after him. All that's going on in his mind is fight or flight, and his brain picks fight. It's instinct, and if you're too dense to understand basic human instincts there is something wrong with you.[/QUOTE] sorry i don't instantly revert to my basic human instincts after being slapped by a chick and cussed out. that's called having no control and being a lunatic. [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579505]He also was told to stay the fuck down. In the few times anyone with authority has told me to do something, I fucking do it without any form of retaliative reaction.[/QUOTE] wait so, he's allowed to have the FIGHT OR FLIGHT mindset, but they're not? i mean, i don't agree with you that he was in the FIGHT OR FLIGHT mode after being slapped and cussed out, but i can certainly imagine being in that state of mind after being smashed with a metal pipe

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579537]he was slapped and had 2 women walk after him while they yelled shit at him. he was surrounded by co workers who were calling police and were willing to help him. and like i've always being saying this whole thread, i'm not against him defending himself, i'm against him taking it too far which he obviously did and no amount of "IT'S HUMAN INSTINCT FIGHT OR FLIGHT FIGHT OR FLIGHT" rhetoric is going to justify that.[/QUOTE] Considering you are completely ignoring the fact that fight or flight is a very real thing I really can't take your argument seriously. It's like you actually believe the human sypathetic nervous system is somehow vastly different from other mammals and that instead of survival running through his brain (especially as an ex felon), he should have been thinking about the possible legal outcomes, the health of his assailants, the possibility that they weren't armed, etc. It's beyond ridiculous what you are suggesting, if they died I really would feel the same way.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579532]He didn't pick the fight, they did, they suffered heavily for it. I fail to see how he is in the wrong for something he didn't want to do in the first place.[/QUOTE] Really? You fail to see what's wrong about responding to a slap with beating someone with a pipe? What universe do you live in?

also I am pretty sure this guy had at least one violent criminal conviction prior to this, so it's not like he's ghandi and just got forced into violence

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579557]It's beyond ridiculous what you are suggesting, if they died I really would feel the same way.[/QUOTE] And saying that they 'might have guns or knives on them' isn't ridiculous?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579558]Really? You fail to see what's wrong about responding to a slap with beating someone with a pipe? What universe do you live in?[/QUOTE] I live in the real world, a place where political correctness hasn't dulled my senses to the happenings of real world situations. Why the flying fuck would he be caring about the healthcare of people attacking him? I mean honestly?

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579557]Considering you are completely ignoring the fact that fight or flight is a very real thing I really can't take your argument seriously. It's like you actually believe the human sypathetic nervous system is somehow vastly different from other mammals and that instead of survival running through his brain (especially as an ex felon), he should have been thinking about the possible legal outcomes, the health of his assailants, the possibility that they weren't armed, etc. It's beyond ridiculous what you are suggesting, if they died I really would feel the same way.[/QUOTE] no i think it's ridiculous what you're suggesting, that after being slapped and cussed out and chased by two women he reverted into a goddamn adrenaline fueled animal state. i think it's far more likely that he just has extreme anger problems. and wow really? well then..

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579567]And saying that they 'might have guns or knives on them' isn't ridiculous?[/QUOTE] My assumption is based on the premise of human instinct, you always expect the worst, if you are being attacked by people who can't get over the fact they can't get their fast food then you don't know what they can do to you, I am using guns as an example. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579572]no i think it's ridiculous what you're suggesting, that after being slapped and cussed out and chased by two women he reverted into a goddamn adrenaline fueled animal state. i think it's far more likely that he just has extreme anger problems. and wow really? well then..[/QUOTE] Extreme anger problems seems a bit much for an ex convict that kept his cool until he was physically attacked and chased. I think the customers were the ones with the real anger problems and like I said they suffered for it, and I don't care.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579568]I live in the real world, a place where political correctness hasn't dulled my senses to the happenings of real world situations. Why the flying fuck would he be caring about the healthcare of people attacking him? I mean honestly?[/QUOTE] it seems to me that you live in some sort of paranoid schizophrenic nightmare world where it's every man for himself and anyone could be carrying and is willing to use weapons in the middle of a crowded mc donalds. again, you keep saying attack and assault, he was SLAPPED [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579574]My assumption is based on the premise of human instinct, you always expect the worst, if you are being attacked by people who can't get over the fact they can't get their fast food then you don't know what they can do to you, I am using guns as an example. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] Extreme anger problems seems a bit much for an ex convict that kept his cool until he was physically attacked and chased. I think the customers were the ones with the real anger problems and like I said they suffered for it, and I don't care.[/QUOTE] yeah i'm not doubting they have anger problems and like i've been saying, they deserve every criminal charge they're gonna receive, the fact is, he deserves some too.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579583]it seems to me that you live in some sort of paranoid schizophrenic nightmare world where it's every man for himself and anyone could be carrying and is willing to use weapons in the middle of a crowded mc donalds. again, you keep saying attack and assault, he was SLAPPED[/QUOTE] Uh no, but if you work with the public you want to be prepared for the dangers that can happen. I constantly was transporting thousands upon thousands of dollars from multiple registers to our accounting room which was across the main entrance. You bet your ass if someone comes in with a knife or a gun I'm going to swing a heavy steel till right at the person's face. Not because I'm wanting to fracture someone's skull, but because this fucker is a threat to me. Same with this guy, he sees two women coming after him and he sure as fuck isn't going to curl into the fetal position.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579583]it seems to me that you live in some sort of paranoid schizophrenic nightmare world where it's every man for himself and anyone could be carrying and is willing to use weapons in the middle of a crowded mc donalds. again, you keep saying attack and assault, he was SLAPPED[/QUOTE] I really have no idea how paranoid schizophrenia has anything to do with this. I think you are just tossing words around. Sorry but I've been attacked before, and I can tell you that the first thing that I remember doing after being slammed in the face was to wildly swing in the direction of who was attacking me, I didn't even have any other thoughts in my mind and I didn't even have time to react, before I knew it I was punching someone and he fell over. So personally for me, I can understand that you aren't a civilized human when you are fighting. You revert back to a primal side. I mean fuck this is even evident by the fact that the part of the brain governing your actions during an adrenaline rush is the most primitive and ancient part.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579522]Facepunch sure is showing its best side in this thread. Getting slapped is now grounds for beating someone with a pipe to the point where you fracture skulls, class act.[/QUOTE] Well as I see it, you're people unable to comprehend that people do not always act completely rational when they've been threatened, attacked, and followed into a narrow area. We're saying the guy had the right to defend himself and that what he did was reasonable considering the amount of pressure he was put under, you're saying he should be punished for overreacting when two psycho customers just attacked him for no reason.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579606]Uh no, but if you work with the public you want to be prepared for the dangers that can happen. I constantly was transporting thousands upon thousands of dollars from multiple registers to our accounting room which was across the main entrance. You bet your ass if someone comes in with a knife or a gun I'm going to swing a heavy steel till right at the person's face. Not because I'm wanting to fracture someone's skull, but because this fucker is a threat to me. Same with this guy, he sees two women coming after him and he sure as fuck isn't going to curl into the fetal position.[/QUOTE] Really, so a person coming at you with a weapon is equatable to a woman slapping you?

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579606]Uh no, but if you work with the public you want to be prepared for the dangers that can happen. I constantly was transporting thousands upon thousands of dollars from multiple registers to our accounting room which was across the main entrance. You bet your ass if someone comes in with a knife or a gun I'm going to swing a heavy steel till right at the person's face. Not because I'm wanting to fracture someone's skull, but because this fucker is a threat to me. Same with this guy, he sees two women coming after him and he sure as fuck isn't going to curl into the fetal position.[/QUOTE] but we're not talking about someone with thousands of dollars being accosted by someone with a knife or a gun, we're talking about someone working at a mc donalds getting slapped and harassed by a couple women.

[QUOTE=Simski;33579613]Well as I see it, you're people unable to comprehend that people do not always act completely rational when they've been threatened, attacked, and followed into a narrow area. We're saying the guy had the right to defend himself and that what he did was reasonable considering the amount of pressure he was put under, you're saying he should be punished for overreacting when two psycho customers just attacked him for no reason.[/QUOTE] well they should be punished as well, noones denying that. But the fact is I don't think I could use 'fight or flight' as an excuse for committing GBH in any situation really

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579574]My assumption is based on the premise of human instinct, you always expect the worst, if you are being attacked by people who can't get over the fact they can't get their fast food then you don't know what they can do to you, I am using guns as an example.[/QUOTE] That is the most over the top, reactionary attitude I have ever seen. "Always expect the person angry at you has knives or a gun! If they slap you that means you are completely within your right to kill them!" Nothing sound wrong with that to you?

[QUOTE=Simski;33579613]Well as I see it, you're people unable to comprehend that people do not always act completely rational when they've been threatened, attacked, and followed into a narrow area. We're saying the guy had the right to defend himself and that what he did was reasonable considering the amount of pressure he was put under, you're saying he should be punished for overreacting when two psycho customers just attacked him for no reason.[/QUOTE] Reasonable? He got slapped and hitting them with a metal pipe is reasonable? Shit, I'm almost starting to understand Sanius's liberal use of the word 'misogyny' with threads like these.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579612]I really have no idea how paranoid schizophrenia has anything to do with this. I think you are just tossing words around. Sorry but I've been attacked before, and I can tell you that the first thing that I remember doing after being slammed in the face was to wildly swing in the direction of who was attacking me, I didn't even have any other thoughts in my mind and I didn't even have time to react, before I knew it I was punching someone and he fell over. So personally for me, I can understand that you aren't a civilized human when you are fighting. You revert back to a primal side. I mean fuck this is even evident by the fact that the part of the brain governing your actions during an adrenaline rush is the most primitive and ancient part.[/QUOTE] yeah that was a joke, i don't really think you're a paranoid schizophrenic, and uh, if you know what it means then i thought it made sense in the context i was using it in so i dunno if i was just tossing it around. yeah i've been attacked too? lots of people have believe it or not! i've been slapped alot too! (i'm not very good with women!) but their is a huge difference between being slapped and being ATTACKED. yes technically it is assault and yes lawfully she should be charged for that, but to act like being slapped sends you into some primal animal rage is just ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579643]Reasonable? He got slapped and hitting them with a metal pipe is reasonable?[/QUOTE] I imagine if the cashier got punched in the face he'd be fine with the cashier pulling out a gun and shooting the aggressors.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579635]That is the most over the top, reactionary attitude I have ever seen. "Always expect the person angry at you has knives or a gun! If they slap you that means you are completely within your right to kill them!" Nothing sound wrong with that to you?[/QUOTE] This is what you and the other 2 of you are failing to understand. It's pretty simple, I can't really say it any clearer than this but... You don't [b]ALWAYS[/b] expect it. But it is what you think when you are actually IN THE [b]SITUATION[/b] where you feel threatened.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579631]well they should be punished as well, noones denying that. But the fact is I don't think I could use 'fight or flight' as an excuse for committing GBH in any situation really[/QUOTE] Self defense is. It would not have been self defense if they had not attacked him, or if they would not have jumped over the counter to chase him. They attacked him unprovoked and chased him instead of letting him escape, they had it coming. The beatings when they were done are perfectly justified if they don't stay the fuck down and surrender, because as long as you keep acting like a threat then you are going to be treated like a threat.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579643]Reasonable? He got slapped and hitting them with a metal pipe is reasonable? Shit, I'm almost starting to understand Sanius's liberal use of the word 'misogyny' with threads like these.[/QUOTE] i don't want to sound misogynistic, but i'm not scared of women at all. a chick slaps me and i laugh, she slaps me hard and sure i'd probably slap her back. but i can never imagine feeling so threatened by two women unless they were WAY bigger than me (which is not the case in this situation) or blatantly had weapons that i revert into my FIGHT OR FLIGHT animal state and am so fearful for my life that i have to continually beat them with a pipe so they stay down.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579653]This is what you and the other 2 of you are failing to understand. It's pretty simple, I can't really say it any clearer than this but... You don't [b]ALWAYS[/b] expect it. But it is what you think when you are actually IN THE [b]SITUATION[/b] where you feel threatened.[/QUOTE] There is no reason that a slap to the face should put you in a mode where you feel so threatened that you believe the people in front of you may have a gun or a knife and you must beat them within an inch of their lives. That is a lack of self-control, in a dangerous way.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579653]This is what you and the other 2 of you are failing to understand. It's pretty simple, I can't really say it any clearer than this but... You don't [b]ALWAYS[/b] expect it. But it is what you think when you are actually IN THE [b]SITUATION[/b] where you feel threatened.[/QUOTE] If you're in a situation like this and you genuinely think 'shit, what if they have guns or knives on them', you need help. It's called paranoia.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579626]but we're not talking about someone with thousands of dollars being accosted by someone with a knife or a gun, we're talking about someone working at a mc donalds getting slapped and harassed by a couple women.[/QUOTE] Sure he was slapped, but you're brain doesn't take the time to decide what to do. It's a reaction in the matter of seconds, and you're scared shitless. He saw them coming over the counter and he knew they weren't going to stop at just a slap.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579653]This is what you and the other 2 of you are failing to understand. It's pretty simple, I can't really say it any clearer than this but... You don't [b]ALWAYS[/b] expect it. But it is what you think when you are actually IN THE [b]SITUATION[/b] where you feel threatened.[/QUOTE] but if that's a viable excuse, then surely it could apply at any time, because I could feel threatened by the possibility of someone having a gun in any violent confrontation. It wouldn't give me the right to stamp an angry drunks head into the floor repeatedly to ensure otherwise though.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579645]yeah that was a joke, i don't really think you're a paranoid schizophrenic, and uh, if you know what it means then i thought it made sense in the context i was using it in so i dunno if i was just tossing it around. yeah i've been attacked too? lots of people have believe it or not! i've been slapped alot too! (i'm not very good with women!) but their is a huge difference between being slapped and being ATTACKED. yes technically it is assault and yes lawfully she should be charged for that, but to act like being slapped sends you into some primal animal rage is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] There is a difference from just being slapped, but he wasn't just slapped, he was slapped and pursued. From behind him he knew he was being chased, and to the right of him he saw the other going around to chase him as well. That personally is what I consider what dictated his following actions, not just the slap.