Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Simski;33579661]Self defense is. It would not have been self defense if they had not attacked him, or if they would not have jumped over the counter to chase him. They attacked him unprovoked and chased him instead of letting him escape, they had it coming. The beatings when they were done are perfectly justified if they don't stay the fuck down and surrender, because as long as you keep acting like a threat then you are going to be treated like a threat.[/QUOTE] Really? So if I were to slap you (in some hypothetical realm), you'd beat the shit out of me, fracture my skull, and then call it self-defense?

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579671]but if that's a viable excuse, then surely it could apply at any time, because I could feel threatened by the possibility of someone having a gun in any violent confrontation. It wouldn't give me the right to stamp an angry drunks head into the floor repeatedly to ensure otherwise though.[/QUOTE] If you were attacked then you would have a very good case (in case you didn't notice, and excuse me if you didn't notice, but it's the case that Rayon made and won)

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579643]Reasonable? He got slapped and hitting them with a metal pipe is reasonable? Shit, I'm almost starting to understand Sanius's liberal use of the word 'misogyny' with threads like these.[/QUOTE] He grabbed something that would ensure that he would have the upper hand if they continued being hostile, it's really fucking stupid and unreasonable to expect someone to never pick up a weapon in self defense. If they would have backed the fuck off, they would not have got beat the shit out of their sorry asses.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579677]Really? So if I were to slap you (in some hypothetical realm), you'd beat the shit out of me, fracture my skull, and then call it self-defense?[/QUOTE] Uh, if your ass kept chasing me you bet your ass I'd hit you until you stopped trying to get up.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579673]There is a difference from just being slapped, but he wasn't just slapped, he was slapped and pursued. From behind him he knew he was being chased, and to the right of him he saw the other going around to chase him as well. That personally is what I consider what dictated his following actions, not just the slap.[/QUOTE] Oh yes, because that bit of nuance totally cut through during this primal, adrenaline-enduced rage fit. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579685]Uh, if your ass kept chasing me you bet your ass I'd hit you until you stopped trying to get up.[/QUOTE] So to death? And the "chasing" in this instance means going across a counter.

[QUOTE=Simski;33579661]Self defense is. It would not have been self defense if they had not attacked him, or if they would not have jumped over the counter to chase him. They attacked him unprovoked and chased him instead of letting him escape, they had it coming. The beatings when they were done are perfectly justified if they don't stay the fuck down and surrender, because as long as you keep acting like a threat then you are going to be treated like a threat.[/QUOTE] they really didn't keep acting like a threat, the actual workers easily outnumbered them and they didn't really seem like they were getting back up to hit him at any time, yet he just kept swinging

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579668]Sure he was slapped, but you're brain doesn't take the time to decide what to do. It's a reaction in the matter of seconds, and you're scared shitless. He saw them coming over the counter and he knew they weren't going to stop at just a slap.[/QUOTE] you realize that human brains are actually quite advanced? you're both acting like we're just 1 step away from being animals but that's not the case. if you get scared shitless by being slapped then you're overly paranoid. and he knew no such thing.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579685]Uh, if your ass kept chasing me you bet your ass I'd hit you until you stopped trying to get up.[/QUOTE] well that's not a good thing

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579665]i don't want to sound misogynistic, but i'm not scared of women at all. a chick slaps me and i laugh, she slaps me hard and sure i'd probably slap her back. but i can never imagine feeling so threatened by two women unless they were WAY bigger than me (which is not the case in this situation) or blatantly had weapons that i revert into my FIGHT OR FLIGHT animal state and am so fearful for my life that i have to continually beat them with a pipe so they stay down.[/QUOTE] I'm now going to call you sexist for implying that women should be considered a smaller threat than men.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579686]Oh yes, because that bit of nuance totally cut through during this primal, adrenaline-enduced rage fit. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] So to death? And the "chasing" in this instance means going across a counter.[/QUOTE] Yeah, being chased by someone who just physically attacked you is just a little nuance.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579681]If you were attacked then you would have a very good case (in case you didn't notice, and excuse me if you didn't notice, but it's the case that Rayon made and won)[/QUOTE] well that's an issue in my eyes, because that sort of thing has resulted in friends of mine getting glassed before.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579668]Sure he was slapped, but you're brain doesn't take the time to decide what to do. It's a reaction in the matter of seconds, and you're scared shitless. He saw them coming over the counter and he knew they weren't going to stop at just a slap.[/QUOTE] You're scared shitless by a [I]slap in the face?[/I] My first reaction would be surprise at best, and mild anger at worst.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579699]well that's not a good thing[/QUOTE] Not for you.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579702]Yeah, being chased by someone who just physically attacked you is just a little nuance.[/QUOTE] The woman jumped over the counter. What is this "chased" nonsense?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579686]Oh yes, because that bit of nuance totally cut through during this primal, adrenaline-enduced rage fit.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly think in a situation like that you just freeze time and contemplate what to do next? You're scared, you see people coming at you, you know they're hostile, you know they obviously are angry enough to act that way in public; of course you're going to do something. What would you do? Whack them once? What if they kept coming at you? Whack them again? That's what this guy did until they stopped acting hostile.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579677]Really? So if I were to slap you (in some hypothetical realm), you'd beat the shit out of me, fracture my skull, and then call it self-defense?[/QUOTE] If you and your friend chased me after I tried to escape and I got my hands on a weapon to defend myself, hell yes.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579709]Not for you.[/QUOTE] Uh, not for anybody. Reacting to a slap in the face by beating the other person to death is, well, pretty illegal.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579709]Not for you.[/QUOTE] to hit someone enough that they stop moving is a fucking large amount of hits, that anyone would consider doing that is worrying to me because it seems like you just want to hurt someone

[QUOTE=Simski;33579701]I'm now going to call you sexist for implying that women should be considered a smaller threat than men.[/QUOTE] they generally are though? women are generally smaller and weaker than men. that's a fact, and in this case he is clearly of a larger stature than either of these women so they are less of a threat to him than he is to them (clearly, i mean, he got slapped, they got fractured bones) and you can call me a sexist all you want, i'll just call you a psychopath who goes into animal fits of rage at the slightest provocation!

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579704]well that's an issue in my eyes, because that sort of thing has resulted in friends of mine getting glassed before.[/QUOTE] I don't know the circumstances, and the circumstances dictate whether I agree with it or not, but if you are willing to attack someone, especially without any sort of reasonable cause, then you are putting your life totally on the line, and that is your own fault.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579705]You're scared shitless by a [I]slap in the face?[/I] My first reaction would be surprise at best, and mild anger at worst.[/QUOTE] It's not the slap, it's the fact that you'd be continuing after me. If you have the balls to slap me once, what else would you do? If you slapped me and kept at it, yeah, I'd fucking hit you.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579723]to hit someone enough that they stop moving is a fucking large amount of hits, that anyone would consider doing that is worrying to me because it seems like you just want to hurt someone[/QUOTE] Yeah, I would want to hurt you, cause you just attacked me.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579714]Do you honestly think in a situation like that you just freeze time and contemplate what to do next? You're scared, you see people coming at you, you know they're hostile, you know they obviously are angry enough to act that way in public; of course you're going to do something. What would you do? Whack them once? What if they kept coming at you? Whack them again? That's what this guy did until they stopped acting hostile.[/QUOTE] And in your case it would probably mean death or at least a broken skull. You can't look at that and call it self-defense, because at that point you've overstepped the limit.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579714]Do you honestly think in a situation like that you just freeze time and contemplate what to do next? You're scared, you see people coming at you, you know they're hostile, you know they obviously are angry enough to act that way in public; of course you're going to do something. What would you do? Whack them once? What if they kept coming at you? Whack them again? That's what this guy did until they stopped acting hostile.[/QUOTE] Just going to apply your logic here but feel free to stop me if I'm wrong: Getting slapped scares you shitless and you automatically conclude they might have knives or guns on them so you beat them mercilessly? Just how fucking paranoid are you?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579718]Uh, not for anybody. Reacting to a slap in the face by beating the other person to death is, well, pretty illegal.[/QUOTE] Apparently not as illegal as you think!

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579725]I don't know the circumstances, and the circumstances dictate whether I agree with it or not, but if you are willing to attack someone, especially without any sort of reasonable cause, then you are putting your life totally on the line, and that is your own fault.[/QUOTE] my friend and this geezer get a bit lairy, my friend shoves him because he's inebriated, my friend gets a broken bottle to the neck. It's the same basic situation and I don't think the results are at all fair.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33579726]It's not the slap, it's the fact that you'd be continuing after me. If you have the balls to slap me once, what else would you do? If you slapped me and kept at it, yeah, I'd fucking hit you.[/QUOTE] Do you not understand the difference between saying "slap me and I'll hit you back" and "slap me and I'll beat you into the ground until you stop trying to get up"?

this is ridiculous. they SLAPPED him then came after him so they could cuss him out. if they had full on attacked him and beaten the shit out of him and he only just escaped then they started chasing him down, THEN i could imagine him being in such a state that he's fearful and adrenaline pumped.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579736]Just going to apply your logic here but feel free to stop me if I'm wrong: Getting slapped scares you shitless and you automatically conclude they might have knives or guns on them so you beat them mercilessly? Just how fucking paranoid are you?[/QUOTE] Queue the next 30 posts by you 3 ignoring the fact that he wasn't just slapped.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579736]Just going to apply your logic here but feel free to stop me if I'm wrong: Getting slapped scares you shitless and you automatically conclude they might have knives or guns on them so you beat them mercilessly? Just how fucking paranoid are you?[/QUOTE] Supposedly the fact that more than one aggressor was there sent the man into panic mode.