Remember that one McDonalds video of the cashier fighting off the two women? Grand jury has declined - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579724]they generally are though? women are generally smaller and weaker than men. that's a fact, and in this case he is clearly of a larger stature than either of these women so they are less of a threat to him than he is to them (clearly, i mean, he got slapped, they got fractured bones) and you can call me a sexist all you want, i'll just call you a psychopath who goes into animal fits of rage at the slightest provocation![/QUOTE] Well this wasn't really a "slight provocation". He was verbally abused, physically attacked, and chased when he tried to retreat to safety. They had it coming.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579738]my friend and this geezer get a bit lairy, my friend shoves him because he's inebriated, my friend gets a broken bottle to the neck. It's the same basic situation and I don't think the results are at all fair.[/QUOTE] Two drunks attacking eachother is not the same as a rowdy customer attacking someone. Alcohol is a major factor in your scenario.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579744]Queue the next 30 posts by you 3 ignoring the fact that he wasn't just slapped.[/QUOTE] Okay, so "came after him" with no weapons and did not even hit him any more than the initial slap? [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Simski;33579748]Well this wasn't really a "slight provocation". He was verbally abused, physically attacked, and chased when he tried to retreat to safety. They had it coming.[/QUOTE] Quite a broad description for "was slapped, then chased and yelled at".

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579752]Two drunks attacking eachother is not the same as a rowdy customer attacking someone. Alcohol is a major factor in your scenario.[/QUOTE] yeah, this guy was in complete cognitive control and still did it.

[QUOTE=Simski;33579748]Well this wasn't really a "slight provocation". He was verbally abused, physically attacked, and chased when he tried to retreat to safety. They had it coming.[/QUOTE] verbally abused?! while working at a mc donalds?! that's unheard of! and yeah he was physically attacked, this physical attack consisted of a open hand hitting him in the face.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579755]Okay, so "came after him" with no weapons and did not even hit him any more than the initial slap? [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] Quite a broad description for "was slapped, then chased and yelled at".[/QUOTE] The only reason he wasn't hit after the initial slap was because he prevented it by putting them in a state of unconsciousness. You act like they were completely incapable of doing any harm to him. [editline]5th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579766]verbally abused?! while working at a mc donalds?! that's unheard of! and yeah he was physically attacked, this physical attack consisted of a open hand hitting him in the face.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting that because he works at a job that he get verbally abused a lot that makes it ok and he should have to deal with it and it shouldn't be considered a factor that lead up to him attacking him after he was assaulted and chased? If anything it is more of a factor as to why it happened.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579736]Just going to apply your logic here but feel free to stop me if I'm wrong: Getting slapped scares you shitless and you automatically conclude they might have knives or guns on them so you beat them mercilessly? Just how fucking paranoid are you?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't conclude that anyone would have a knife or a gun. But it's a situation that there isn't any good reaction to. If someone slapped me and as I'm walking away they decide to hop the counter and pursue after me I have no idea what they're going to do. Work with people long enough and you'll learn that not everyone thinks in some pacifistic way like you, where everything is politically correct and happy. If they've slapped him once and decide to keep coming you obviously can conclude that physical violence is no problem for them. So why wait and see what they'll do next?

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579769]The only reason he wasn't hit after the initial slap was because he prevented it by putting them in a state of unconsciousness. You act like they were completely incapable of doing any harm to him.[/QUOTE] You're putting it in a situation where the provocation of a slap and some yelling gives someone the right to beat that person to death, and that isn't right.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33579766]verbally abused?! while working at a mc donalds?! that's unheard of! and yeah he was physically attacked, this physical attack consisted of a open hand hitting him in the face.[/QUOTE] Now if they would not have acted batshit fucking insane by jumping over the counter, he would probably have dealt with this calmly. However these assholes were hostile and would not leave him alone.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579781]You're putting it in a situation where the provocation of a slap and some yelling gives someone the right to beat that person to death, and that isn't right.[/QUOTE] Queue the next 27 posts where you completely ignore that he wasn't just slapped.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579755]Quite a broad description for "was slapped, then chased and yelled at".[/QUOTE] Well you guys have a really fucked up view of what a "harmless customer" is.

[QUOTE=Simski;33579796]Well you guys have a really fucking up view of what "harmless customer" is.[/QUOTE] obviously they're not harmless, noone is saying they're harmless because they clearly harmed him. I think most people here are just saying that both the women and the worker should recieve some sort of penalty, especially considering this isn't his first violent offence.

[QUOTE=Simski;33579796]Well you guys have a really fucking up view of what a "harmless customer" is.[/QUOTE] At what point did I give you the impression that the women were in the right for slapping the cashier and then chasing him a few feet? They should be charged with assault, but this man should be charged with excessive force or whatever the legal term is for this sort of incident.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579809]obviously they're not harmless, noone is saying they're harmless because they clearly harmed him. I think most people here are just saying that both the women and the worker should recieve some sort of penalty, especially considering this isn't his first violent offense.[/QUOTE] The worker should be punished for something he never wanted to do in the first place, he should be punished for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Makes perfect sense!

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579814]At what point did I give you the impression that the women were in the right for slapping the cashier and then chasing him a few feet? They should be charged with assault, but this man should be charged with excessive force or whatever the legal term is for this sort of incident.[/QUOTE] Grievous bodily harm if I'm not mistaken.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579789]Queue the next 27 posts where you completely ignore that he wasn't just slapped.[/QUOTE] I've said more than once now that he was yelled at, but the part where you say "chased", seems more like them pursuing the cashier, [B]but[/B] it looked like the cashier was going for the metal rod anyway, and the woman chased after him whilst he was running to grab it.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579818]The worker should be punished for something he never wanted to do in the first place, he should be punished for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Makes perfect sense![/QUOTE] he should be punished for not being able to control himself in a situation. he's displayed violent tendencies before, he should at least be required to attend an anger management seminar or something. I've never beaten someone to that extent in my entire life, and I've been in way more threatening situations than that. And I bet he has too.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579820]Grievous bodily harm if I'm not mistaken.[/QUOTE] Right, that's the one.

In fact, there have been a few occasions where I've had customers go batshit insane of a price of an item, or for the fact I wouldn't do something that they wanted for the obvious reason being that I couldn't. I've had people make threats like, "Do I need to come around there and beat it out of you?" or my personal favorite, "Don't make me beat your white ass!" Of course, I didn't start bludgeoning them, but I did tell them that if they continued I would call the police. That generally makes people back off; but if they ever decided to hit me and continue to make attempts to do so I had the right to defend myself. It was even stated in the contract I signed when I first became employed.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579826]I've said more than once now that he was yelled at, but the part where you say "chased", seems more like them pursuing the cashier, [B]but[/B] it looked like the cashier was going for the metal rod anyway, and the woman chased after him whilst he was running to grab it.[/QUOTE] the chasing is obviously what sent him over the edge. You are acting like he went into murder mode after the slap. Why would he go for the rod if they werent even within distance to use it on them before they jumped the counter.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33579832]he should be punished for not being able to control himself in a situation. he's displayed violent tendencies before, he should at least be required to attend an anger management seminar or something. I've never beaten someone to that extent in my entire life, and I've been in way more threatening situations than that. And I bet he has too.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't understand the idea that someone slowly running after you a distance of about 3 feet is enough to send you into a rage-fit. I've been in a mild fist fight, and been slapped aggressively, my reaction is nothing this severe, and doesn't entail violence of any kind.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579814]At what point did I give you the impression that the women were in the right for slapping the cashier and then chasing him a few feet? They should be charged with assault, but this man should be charged with excessive force or whatever the legal term is for this sort of incident.[/QUOTE] He was acting in self defense, and it's not fucking reasonable to expect people to be completely rational when they've been threatened and physically attacked. He's acting on basic survival instinct, something that kicks in when someone feel that they are in danger.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579837]the chasing is obviously what sent him over the edge. You are acting like he went into murder mode after the slap. Why would he go for the rod if they werent even within distance to use it on them before they jumped the counter.[/QUOTE] That's what Mega isn't getting. If they slapped him and walked off he probably would have just called the police and filed a report. Even after the slap he doesn't really react; it's when they decide to be extra special and hop the counter that he makes the move for the pipe.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579845]Yeah, I don't understand the idea that someone slowly running after you a distance of about 3 feet is enough to send you into a rage-fit. I've been in a mild fist fight, and been slapped aggressively, my reaction is nothing this severe, and doesn't entail violence of any kind.[/QUOTE] Your description of the event is so hilariously skewed it's deplorable. "Slowly running" lol....

[QUOTE=Simski;33579846]He was acting in self defense, and it's not fucking reasonable to expect people to be completely rational when they've been threatened and physically attacked. He's acting on basic survival instinct, something that kicks in when someone feel that they are in danger.[/QUOTE] And it's not fucking reasonable to defend yourself by hitting them 10 times with a metal pipe to the point where you fracture skulls and break limbs.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33579826]I've said more than once now that he was yelled at, but the part where you say "chased", seems more like them pursuing the cashier, [B]but[/B] it looked like the cashier was going for the metal rod anyway, and the woman chased after him whilst he was running to grab it.[/QUOTE] So? He grabbed it to protect himself if they got too close, which they did, and it came in handy.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33579837]the chasing is obviously what sent him over the edge. You are acting like he went into murder mode after the slap. Why would he go for the rod if they werent even within distance to use it on them before they jumped the counter.[/QUOTE] The woman chased him for what looks like 3 feet, are you seriously suggesting that sent him into an anger fit so severe that he fractured her skull? Here's the end result: He has a red face for 5 minutes, she has a fractured skull.

[QUOTE=Simski;33579846]He was acting in self defense, and it's not fucking reasonable to expect people to be completely rational when they've been threatened and physically attacked. He's acting on basic survival instinct, something that kicks in when someone feel that they are in danger.[/QUOTE] Exactly! They're acting as if because we live in the year 2011 humans have simply adapted to shut off basic instincts.

[QUOTE=Simski;33579863]So? He grabbed it to protect himself if they got too close, which they did, and it came in handy.[/QUOTE] And then after he stopped their attack, he continued to go at them with the rod, fracturing a person's skull.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33579860]And it's not fucking reasonable to defend yourself by hitting them 10 times with a metal pipe to the point where you fracture skulls and break limbs.[/QUOTE] It is when you've just been been attacked by them unprovoked and you're in a state of shock and confusion.