‘Kill our pilot and we’ll execute ALL your prisoners’ – Jordan, in retaliation against ISIS beheadin - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Saigon;47045366]I'm still hoping for a day when we can lift Geneva Convention restrictions for a mission, like in Blood Dragon.[/QUOTE] The conventions automatically don't apply if your enemy isn't a signatory to the conventions and they fail to follow the rules. Nobody would have signed the convention if they were unilaterally applied. In terms of treaties, ISIS is completely unprotected.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;47040989]This kind of makes me smile.[/QUOTE] See a doctor.

Guys, instead of just saying "but we'll be da monsters a bloo bloo", why don't you all suggest alternative ways to deal with ISIS? Trying to be white knights isn't actually going to affect anything whereas action clearly will.

I'm strongly against death penalty. But execute these dogs anyway. Yeah, this won't do much. But nothing will. At most it will send a message that their enemies mean business too. ISIS will be over when all of them are dead or in prison, never to see the light of day again, that's the only answer. They don't seem to care about suffering, they don't care about their own, they don't really seem to care about death, they certainly don't give a shit about morals that aren't their own twisted worldview. And each passing month we take our time and decide what they [b]do[/b] care about, innocents die. ISIS have shown multiple times that they blatantly see our humanity and appeal to humanism as weakness, it doesn't impress them in any way. They understand force, well, it has to be shown.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;47044388]They either become martyrs in jail or on the battlefield, or they continue living and doing the fucked up shit they've been doing. Lose/lose, but if they're going to play hard-ball like this, sadly martyring them in jail is the safer option.[/QUOTE] How the fuck do they continue doing fucked up shit when they're locked down in a prison? [editline]31st January 2015[/editline] Personally I don't mind doing this statement to show to your enemies that you're being serious but actually going through with it is just ehhh.....

[QUOTE=Matrix374;47046299] Personally I don't mind doing this statement to show to your enemies that you're being serious but actually going through with it is just ehhh.....[/QUOTE] And then they call your bluff by not giving a fuck about their 'comrades'. And you're officially a laughing stock as well as a cow they can continue to milk. Great idea.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;47041018]ISIS Prisoners then become Matyrs gg no re[/QUOTE] Well that's good, as in that case more idiots join and get killed, then vicious cycle commences. Terrorism dissapears as the end result is that there are no people to join

Yes let's execute these people that may have valuable intelligence yet to be gained from interrogation. And why not let them die for their cause while we're at it. Morality aside what do you think this will accomplish?

[QUOTE=chedobson;47047089]Yes let's execute these people that may have valuable intelligence yet to be gained from interrogation. And why not let them die for their cause while we're at it. Morality aside what do you think this will accomplish?[/QUOTE] who says they haven't/won't be interrogated? Why not make them die for their cause if it's such a honor as people like you interpret it to be? Moral victories aren't the same as actual victories.

[QUOTE=chedobson;47047089]Yes let's execute these people that may have valuable intelligence yet to be gained from interrogation. And why not let them die for their cause while we're at it. Morality aside what do you think this will accomplish?[/QUOTE] Implying ISIS is intelligent [sp]Yes I understand what you meant but I just really wanted to say it :v:[/sp]

[QUOTE=Matrix374;47046299]How the fuck do they continue doing fucked up shit when they're locked down in a prison? [editline]31st January 2015[/editline] Personally I don't mind doing this statement to show to your enemies that you're being serious but actually going through with it is just ehhh.....[/QUOTE] They're certainly not going to be kept in there alive for ever. There's also the possible risk of them being broken out of jail or used in a prisoner exchange.

FP missing the point of human rights since... Well, since its fucking inception. GG first world guys, Cold War atrocities didn't serve a shit to teach us a thing or two, right? Jesus....

Why is ISIS different to any other radical muslim group? just wait till they're big enough to make it worth while to send in the army to annihilate them. There's no negotiating with these people, All they want is everyone who isn't a radical muslim to be dead. This is why we need kickass remote controlled killing machines. Oh btw, they're going to kill the pilot regardless of any threat you make. And perhaps ISIS being able to "recruit" members isn't such a bad thing, makes it more economical to send in armies. Seriously, they don't recruit like first world countries recruit.... it's more of a "Join or we kill you and your family"; Who really needs propaganda?

[QUOTE=CatFodder;47043268]Killing prisoners of war is an atrocity, plain and simple. Pretty horrifying to see multiple people in this thread arguing for killing helpless captives.[/QUOTE] They are captives under the grounds of their heinous crimes. These are hardly prisoners of war defending their families and country, they're religious nuts who believe god wishes death upon all who disagree with their interpretation of religion and that ISIS are the religiously designated people to push the bloodshed on behalf of said god. Feel free to argue they have grounds to stand their beliefs, i see no logical reason to justify attempting to suicide bomb civilians aswell as government-affiliated individuals purely because they have different views than yourself. The one in question is an ISIS affiliate who failed a suicide bombing and was captured. If it's plain and clear they had every intent to SUICIDE BOMB on behalf of ISIS, and ISIS cares enough to try and prisoner swap, i say they are in every reasonable scenario a fair pawn of punishment for ISIS failing to comply with a command to not kill the pilot.

This is such a grim reality of war. I wish people would struggle more for peace, love, and life than for war. Like the hate and brutality of ISIS and the desperate measures the defending nations have to take is dreadful.

Aren't prisons recruitment cells for extremist groups?

Also, the thing about letting ISIS prisoners out after their jail term, is that you can't be sure they'll integrate back into society. What happens if you do that, and they go do some lone wolf attack? You'll feel like shit if that happens.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;47050658]FP missing the point of human rights since... Well, since its fucking inception. GG first world guys, Cold War atrocities didn't serve a shit to teach us a thing or two, right? Jesus....[/QUOTE] Do you want to "rehabilitate" them?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;47050658]FP missing the point of human rights since... Well, since its fucking inception. GG first world guys, Cold War atrocities didn't serve a shit to teach us a thing or two, right? Jesus....[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware human rights which were conceived and applied in first world countries by people who actually have time to spend on thinking up this sort of stuff inherently applied to countries who are facing much more urgent difficulties than respecting the rights of mass murderers and terrorists. Human rights aren't practically applicable to countries that are having difficulties even sustaining a government for any length of time because armed and crazy religious zealots are trying to burn everything down.

[QUOTE=markedOne;47052087]Do you want to "rehabilitate" them?[/QUOTE] No you genius. Congrats, you just became this: [url]http://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceso_de_Reorganización_Nacional[/url] But the whole point of human rights, is that no matter what the other guy does, he's still a human being and deserves a fair trial. For all we know, not all these ISIS warriors are hell bent on connquering the world and beheading children to piss on their bodies. That's so fucking stupid, same as thinking that every US soldier joined the army for the sole and unique reason of defending its country. Even so, there's no point in arguing this. What most here fail to realize is that in by saying "they can't be rehabilitated...lets execute all of them" you are just the same shit -in ethical terms, so no one jumps with "but we dont behead children!". Try to behave like someone (not addressed at you specifically) who actually lives in a first world country, has had access to a first world country education and doesn't have to fear dying tomorrow. Thank you.

[QUOTE] Human rights aren't practically applicable to countries that are having difficulties even sustaining a government for any length of time because armed and crazy religious zealots are trying to burn everything down.[/QUOTE] Human rights are applied to individuals. Not countries. If your state which is not a third world dumpster filled with poverty diseases and war captures a prisoner, by all means he's protected by the human rights. And hahahaha, dont come over with that geneva bulltshit, because that way, it is totally justificable for ISIS fuckwits to do whatever they want, after all, they haven't "signed" any charter or agreed to any convention at all

[QUOTE=RichyZ;47052164]dunno how being in a comfy developed country invalidates the thought of "executing unarmed secured pows is unethical as heck"[/QUOTE] Because being in a comfy developed country is exactly what allows you to think whether or not executing unarmed secured pows is unethical or not. If you're a Jordanian guy in command of a dismayed military and you have to decide on the lives of a bunch of crazy assholes who are part of a group who is also threatening your own soldiers, then how ethical it is to dispatch them in order to save yourself space and resources or as a thread to their group is not really a question you're in a situation to ask yourself. [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;47052202]Human rights are applied to individuals. Not countries. If your state which is not a third world dumpster filled with poverty diseases and war captures a prisoner, by all means he's protected by the human rights. And hahahaha, dont come over with that geneva bulltshit, because that way, it is totally justificable for ISIS fuckwits to do whatever they want, after all, they haven't "signed" any charter or agreed to any convention at all[/QUOTE] Human Rights are applied to societies that decided to adhere to these standards of life and treatment of the individual. We live in a big fucking planet and not everyone on it has agreed to that list of ideals we've established, or even knows that list even exists. People have priorities and these priorities may not be the respect of human rights in a war environment.

[QUOTE=stupid10er;47047188]who says they haven't/won't be interrogated? Why not make them die for their cause if it's such a honor as people like you interpret it to be? Moral victories aren't the same as actual victories.[/QUOTE] Because they are far more useful alive than they are dead. Interrogation is not something done overnight, information can be withheld for years or might only become useful down the line. What I'm trying to say is these captives are far more useful as they are to defeating ISIS (in whatever small capacity) than they are in the ground where they are useless. Give me one good pragmatic reason why they should be executed.

[QUOTE=Wolf532;47041069]And then ISIS is never willing to do a prisoner swap ever again.[/QUOTE] They're not exactly known for their prestine prisoner swaps.

[QUOTE=chedobson;47052684]Because they are far more useful alive than they are dead. Interrogation is not something done overnight, information can be withheld for years or might only become useful down the line. What I'm trying to say is these captives are far more useful as they are to defeating ISIS (in whatever small capacity) than they are in the ground where they are useless. Give me one good pragmatic reason why they should be executed.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Jordanian high command are not stupid, so ISIS' prisoners are either already sucked dry of everything they knew (and they probably didn't know that much, terrorists are not exactly known for giving away information to foot soldiers and suicide bombers for this exact reason, they're expandable) or they won't be executed. I doubt ISIS has exact numbers on how many of their own are captured. They aren't some military force, they're just a huge band of bandits, they don't register and employ their members officially. So dead they're probably worth more than they are alive, which is zero to begin with. ISIS should know that at this point they're really taken seriously, as a threat they are, and gloves are off. They have demonstrated that they only know and understand violence and death. They won't respect Jordan more for this kind of action, but they'll knew that the cow they've been milking has run dry and the immediate threats of killing the hostages have stopped working.

[i]"Remember, when you want to make your point, you must call your opponents Nazis!"[/i] - Cutthecrap

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47054716][i]"Remember, when you want to make your point, you must call your opponents Nazis!"[/i] - Cutthecrap[/QUOTE] The only guy who said "Nazis" here was you. And if you think the Junta was nazi...you just went full retard. Never go full retard. Which goes on to show that you didn't understand a shit. You will in due time.

[QUOTE=chedobson;47052684]Because they are far more useful alive than they are dead. Interrogation is not something done overnight, information can be withheld for years or might only become useful down the line. What I'm trying to say is these captives are far more useful as they are to defeating ISIS (in whatever small capacity) than they are in the ground where they are useless. Give me one good pragmatic reason why they should be executed.[/QUOTE] you and i both don't know what the ISIS soldiers know. they could either be goldmines of information, or they could be literal guinea pigs in the cog of ISIS. i imagine it probably swings towards the latter end. why dedicate food, time, human capital, and other resources on a few foot soldiers just for the off chance that they might serve purpose. further more, keeping them alive means there's a group of them that have the potential to be liberated or break out on there own. obviously there's a slim chance of that happening, but if you're going to assume they have groundbreaking information, i'm going to assume they're all super commandos. either way keeping them dead or alive will be marginal in the grand scheme of things and if I were in Jordan's situation i'd pick the first option. hope i'm not coming off as "edgy" or trying to paint you in a bad light. obviously there are different ways to wage war on different factions and I think Jordan's doing it the right way in this case

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;47054788]The only guy who said "Nazis" here was you. And if you think the Junta was nazi...you just went full retard. Never go full retard. Which goes on to show that you didn't understand a shit. You will in due time.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying they are the same as Nazis, but I think it's annoying when people align their opponents with a specific group that makes them look bad. Argue the point or don't argue at all - enough with association BS. In general, people love to associate people with Nazis and others as a part of hyperbole and as a way of not actually arguing.