23-year-old Cancer Patient Cryopreserved after a Successful Fundraising Campaign - Polidicks

except that those people who put the money down knew what it was going to, and it was their choice to dedicate their money to her it's not like she forced them to donate and even then, all of the people who gave donations believed that cryonics will work, so this, in their opinion, was worth the money [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] you're projecting your own values onto other individuals

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39312950]you're projecting your own values onto other individuals[/QUOTE] Yes, people do this all the time. Would you rather we just accept the things people do without question?

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39312950]except that those people who put the money down knew what it was going to, and it was their choice to dedicate their money to her it's not like she forced them to donate and even then, all of the people who gave donations believed that cryonics will work, so this, in their opinion, was worth the money[/QUOTE] Except that the cryonics people prey on terminally ill people in order to scam them out of their money. These are generally people with painful illnesses they will die from and these cryonic companies are taking advantage of that in order to make a quick buck. These companies are just as bad as those holistic cancer centres that charge a ton for fake cancer cures.

[QUOTE=Valnar;39312973]Except that the cryonics people prey on terminally ill people in order to scam them out of their money. These are generally people with painful illnesses they will die from and these cryonic companies are taking advantage of that in order to make a quick buck. These companies are just as bad as those holistic cancer centres that charge a ton for fake cancer cures.[/QUOTE] be that as it may, i'm just explaining the reason the funds were raised in the first place [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Dionysus;39312962]Yes, people do this all the time. Would you rather we just accept the things people do without question?[/QUOTE] "people do it all the time" is by no means a justification for judging everyone who doesn't share your opinion on something

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39312980]be that as it may, i'm just explaining the reason the funds were raised in the first place[/QUOTE] Out of irrational impulse, as I said earlier. The people who donated to this bullshit should have spent more than five seconds firing neurons.

[QUOTE=Dionysus;39312991]Out of irrational impulse, as I said earlier. The people who donated to this bullshit should have spent more than five seconds firing neurons.[/QUOTE] once again, you're stating your opinion as truth you really gotta learn to stop that, bub

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39312980] "people do it all the time" is by no means a justification for judging everyone who doesn't share your opinion on something[/QUOTE] Why is judgment wrong? Critique is important for growth, everything should be evaluated and carefully considered. [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313000]once again, you're stating your opinion as truth you really gotta learn to stop that, bub[/QUOTE] Yes really, I shouldn't say anything. If this were the 18th century I bet you would have exiled Voltaire too, bub.

[QUOTE=Dionysus;39313011]Why is judgment wrong? Critique is important for growth, everything should be evaluated and carefully considered.[/QUOTE] it's wrong when you think someone severely for the worse just for not sharing your viewpoint on something as trivial as cryonics

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39312980]be that as it may, i'm just explaining the reason the funds were raised in the first place[/QUOTE] It is a bad justification, they only thought it was worth the money because the people who donated it wanted to feel good and the dieing victim was scared. That $30000 went to some shadey as fuck company to cut off that woman's head from her corpse, fill it with anti freeze and put it vat of cold liquid in some, most likely unkempt, warehouse.

[QUOTE=Dionysus;39313011]Yes really, I shouldn't say anything. If this were the 18th century I bet you would have exiled Voltaire too, bub.[/QUOTE] voltaire actually had a point [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Valnar;39313034]It is a bad justification, they only thought it was worth the money because the people who donated it wanted to feel good and the dieing victim was scared. That $30000 went to some shadey as fuck company to cut off that woman's head from her corpse, fill it with anti freeze and put it vat of cold liquid in some, most likely unkempt, warehouse.[/QUOTE] despite the shadiness, alcor is pretty much the most reputable cryonics company there is, which doesn't say anything good about the industry as a whole but the thing that you two keep misinterpreting is, this wasn't a "feel food" fund raiser, it was sponsored by an advocacy group, and the money was raised via the "extreme life extension community", who i'd assume fully believe in the effectiveness of cryonics

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313022]it's wrong when you think someone severely for the worse just for not sharing your viewpoint on something as trivial as cryonics[/QUOTE] What makes her any more worthy of this money than anyone else? The fact that she posted on Reddit for sympathy? This argument has never been about the effectiveness of cyronics, it centers more around why those people found it necessary to donate to her and not a more salient cause. Sure people can do with their money what they will, I'd just rather not have seen that money go to such a pointless cause.

because they didn't believe it's pointless what part of this do you not understand?

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313036]voltaire actually had a point [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] despite the shadiness, alcor is pretty much the most reputable cryonics company there is, which doesn't say anything good about the industry as a whole but the thing that you two keep misinterpreting is, this wasn't a "feel food" fund raiser, it was sponsored by an advocacy group, and the money was raised via the "extreme life extension community", who i'd assume fully believe in the effectiveness of cryonics[/QUOTE] Just because people believe in it doesn't mean it is right. It doesn't change the fact that cryonics is a scam.

Earlier today, a father molested his daughter because he didn't "believe" it was wrong. What part of that don't you understand?

donating money = child molestation meanwhile inside the mind of dionysus

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313090]donating money = child molestation[/QUOTE] At what point does it become appropriate to evaluate or criticize people's behavior? Does it have to be a criminal offense, who decides what's criminal? That's an evaluation in itself isn't it?

[QUOTE=Dionysus;39313094]At what point does it become appropriate to evaluate or criticize people's behavior? Does it have to be a criminal offense, who decides what's criminal? That's an evaluation in itself isn't it?[/QUOTE] when you're not criticizing the behavior for a different ideology, but for actually causing harm [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Valnar;39313079]Just because people believe in it doesn't mean it is right. It doesn't change the fact that cryonics is a scam.[/QUOTE] at its present state, the companies that sponsor it are less than reputable, but the idea of cryonics itself is valid

What exactly are you arguing, that people shouldn't donate money to a cause they believe in, unless you also happen to believe it's a worthy cause?

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313116]when you're not criticizing the behavior for a different ideology, but for actually causing harm[/QUOTE] Ideologies can be harmful, for example this money could have gone to a much more effective use. That's causing harm in itself, isn't it? Thirty five thousand could have saved more than one. [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] Meanwhile, another profound insight from Lord Apparently you can only lambaste pedophiles, rapists, or murderers.

[QUOTE=Dionysus;39313127]Ideologies can be harmful, for example this money could have gone to a much more effective use. That's causing harm in itself, isn't it? Thirty five thousand could have saved more than one.[/QUOTE] it was money spent on a cause and an idea, and what the owners of that money do with it is their own perogative [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Dionysus;39313127]Apparently you can only lambaste pedophiles, rapists, or murderers.[/QUOTE] i'd like to see a specific quote on that

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;39313123]What exactly are you arguing, that people shouldn't donate money to a cause they believe in, unless you also happen to believe it's a worthy cause?[/QUOTE] They should donate in the "best" cause. I don't know subjectively, what "best" is for everyone.. but I highly doubt it's a roulette spin on saving one life rather than confidently investing in the benefit of much more.

exactly, it's subjective in their opinion, this was the best cause, and you have no right, [I]no right[/I] to say otherwise

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313136]it was money spent on a cause and an idea, and what the owners of that money do with it is their own perogative[/QUOTE] Yes, it's also your right to believe that you're the next messiah. That doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't criticize you for it.

stop exaggerating

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313136] i'd like to see a specific quote on that[/QUOTE] You have already expressed the opinion that condemnation is only appropriate for those who cause "harm". A word that isn't securely definable. [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313150]stop exaggerating[/QUOTE] It's called an analogy.

[QUOTE=Dionysus;39313154]You have already expressed the opinion that condemnation is only appropriate for those who cause "harm". A word that isn't securely definable.[/QUOTE] there's more ways of causing harm than pedophilia, rape, and murder. you really need to just stop [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Dionysus;39313154]It's called an analogy.[/QUOTE] why yes it is it's also called a gross exaggeration

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39313161]there's more ways of causing harm than pedophilia, rape, and murder. you really need to just stop[/QUOTE] Of course there are, that's my point. Define harm. What if I find that investing in a less utilitarian charity is "harmful"? Can't the definition of "harm" be just as subjective as anything else?

harm is defined as [URL="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harm"]physical or psychological damage to person[/URL]

According to merriam-webster [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] my highschool vampire pony fan fiction doesn't harm anyone... don't you dare judge me!

yup it doesn't [editline]22nd January 2013[/editline] gj