23-year-old Cancer Patient Cryopreserved after a Successful Fundraising Campaign - Polidicks

I would only start to consider cryonics if they took a monkey (or any other primate really) that died and successfully revived it after keeping it frozen for years.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;39323292]They would revive you to prove their technology works. [B]There have to be test subjects. [/B] How would they revive everyone? Who knows, maybe they'd fundraise for it or some crap. This is just speculation.[/QUOTE] And out of the thousands that have been frozen, they'll only need four or five to prove it works. [QUOTE=*Freezorg*;39323292]How would they revive everyone? Who knows, maybe they'd fundraise for it or some crap. This is just speculation.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if future society would be willing to dish out what could be millions of dollars to revive thousands of people with no relevant job skills, no idea as to how society works at that point, or even the current [I]lingua franca.[/I] It's like saying we'd revive peasants from the 1600s if we found a whole mess of them laying around (and had the tech to revive them in the first place.) Sure we'll do maybe one or two for the sake of doing it, maybe even a few more to see if they have any interesting stories to tell, but all of them?

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;39323292]They would revive you to prove their technology works. There have to be test subjects. [/QUOTE] What if they botched up the first few, and you were one of them?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;39323416]A I'm not sure if future society would be willing to dish out what could be millions of dollars to revive thousands of people with no relevant job skills, no idea as to how society works at that point, or even the current [I]lingua franca.[/I] It's like saying we'd revive peasants from the 1600s if we found a whole mess of them laying around (and had the tech to revive them in the first place.) Sure we'll do maybe one or two for the sake of doing it, maybe even a few more to see if they have any interesting stories to tell, but all of them?[/QUOTE] Very true. I can believe an organization being created to raise funds revive all these people just for the sake of leaving things finished, how successful such an organization would be however... [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39323456]What if they botched up the first few, and you were one of them?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be one of them because, unless I am suddenly diagnosed with some incurable terminal illness, I wouldn't sign up for cryogenic perserving. If I was diagnosed with such an illness, then I'd do it just because having 0.01% chance of existing again is better than having absolute 0% of chance of existing again. Nothing to lose and I have no interest in a "proper burial" for myself. But if I were to do it and they botched up the revival, there's no real big "what if". I'd just be slightly more dead than I already was.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;39323713]But if I were to do it and they botched up the revival, there's no real big "what if". I'd just be slightly more dead than I already was.[/QUOTE] no, you'd be one of the two: 1. dead 2. a vegetable

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39323726]no, you'd be one of the two: 1. dead 2. a vegetable[/QUOTE] How is that different from what I said? I said I'd be dead either way. And they wouldn't just keep a vegetable after botching a revival.

i'd prefer to be a vegetable than dead

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39323777]i'd prefer to be a vegetable than dead[/QUOTE] It'd make no difference to you.

not necessarily sometimes vegetative people can still think, and are aware of their condition to be honest, i'm not incredibly educated on this subject, but in my opinion, existing is always better than not existing, no matter the form

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;39323757]How is that different from what I said? I said I'd be dead either way. And they wouldn't just keep a vegetable after botching a revival.[/QUOTE] Then the investment is useless.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;39324084]not necessarily sometimes vegetative people can still think, and are aware of their condition to be honest, i'm not incredibly educated on this subject, but in my opinion, existing is always better than not existing, no matter the form[/QUOTE] Wasn't their that man recently that was practically a vegetable, and the court denied his wife to help him kill himself because he couldn't do it himself. Read that on here not too long ago. And he also made his first tweet with movements from his eyes.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;39311631]There's no reason for anyone to bring you back. There's no reason for anyone to research the technology to bring you back. There's nothing to suggest it's even possible in the first place. If you choose cryonics you're basically giving up. You're ending your life in the hope that people have any desire to spend countless years of research to bring you back, that they would even want to revive you if they could, and that the company you choose survives and cares to spend the money required to revive you, find you temporary housing, help you look for emplyment, replace your body, and sort through the metric fuckton of paperwork required. Honestly I'd rather stay alive and hope they find a treatment than kill myself and hope people suddenly get the urge to resurrect the dead.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but you're being a jackass, and have no clue what you're saying. She was dying from brain cancer you idiot, she didn't kill herself. Who are you to judge her for hoping she can live longer than 23 years? Bet you're glad you don't have brain cancer, and have to get terrible treatments that may kill you. You don't know what she went through, and i'm sure you feel all dandy knowing you'll most likely live a lot fucking longer than 23 years old. Don't be an asshole. [editline]23rd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;39312045]That's assuming we can keep the systems preserving her online for centuries. Power can go out, backup systems fail, buildings can collapse, things get lost. There are tons of fuckups that could potentially happen and ruin everything.[/QUOTE] Well it is a shot in the dark, but it's still a chance, I hope they do revive her and all the other people that are preserved.

[QUOTE=pajarojamal;39324159]Wasn't their that man recently that was practically a vegetable, and the court denied his wife to help him kill himself because he couldn't do it himself. Read that on here not too long ago. And he also made his first tweet with movements from his eyes.[/QUOTE] i'm not sure, might be [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2232064/Man-vegetative-state-communicates-using-power-thought.html"]this guy[/URL]

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;39324322]Sorry, but you're being a jackass, and have no clue what you're saying. She was dying from brain cancer you idiot, she didn't kill herself. Who are you to judge her for hoping she can live longer than 23 years? Bet you're glad you don't have brain cancer, and have to get terrible treatments that may kill you. You don't know what she went through, and i'm sure you feel all dandy knowing you'll most likely live a lot fucking longer than 23 years old. Don't be an asshole.[/QUOTE] Your type of reasoning is the exact thing con-artists prey on when they target sick people/familes of sick people. There is a whole industry devoted to medical pseudoscience that is aimed specifically at sick people. Sick people are easy targets, they are desperate to stop their suffering. So these con-artists make up fake cures or promises of longer life in order to make easy money off of vulnerable people. It is fucking sickening. That is what cryogenics is, a pseudoscience enforced by con-artists to make a quick buck. People in this thread are defending the system which allows for these scams. Edit. I want to make sure I get this across, it isn't stupid to want to believe in this pseudoscience. It would be very nice if we could just freeze ourselves and not die. But people need to realize that it isn't real it is just a tool that people to scam because it makes us feel good about ourselves. This is the dangerous part because there can be very real harm done by these con-artists and this feel good helps propagate the deception.

I think this is what the egyptians intended to do when they mummified people.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;39323096]That's just financial incompetence.[/QUOTE] The CSC scandal was not financial incompetence. Robert Nelson was a thief, a liar, a fraud, and a psycopathic loon who probably never actually refilled the dewars. But he's signed up with the Cryonics Institute, so he probably won't be coming back.

[QUOTE=Valnar;39324756]Your type of reasoning is the exact thing con-artists prey on when they target sick people/familes of sick people. There is a whole industry devoted to medical pseudoscience that is aimed specifically at sick people. Sick people are easy targets, they are desperate to stop their suffering. So these con-artists make up fake cures or promises of longer life in order to make easy money off of vulnerable people. It is fucking sickening. That is what cryogenics is, a pseudoscience enforced by con-artists to make a quick buck. People in this thread are defending the system which allows for these scams. Edit. I want to make sure I get this across, it isn't stupid to want to believe in this pseudoscience. It would be very nice if we could just freeze ourselves and not die. But people need to realize that it isn't real it is just a tool that people to scam because it makes us feel good about ourselves. This is the dangerous part because there can be very real harm done by these con-artists and this feel good helps propagate the deception.[/QUOTE] Not everyone becomes a member when they get a horrible disease, most are members for years before death, and will be put in when they die, unless however they die causes major brain damage.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;39331643]Not everyone becomes a member when they get a horrible disease, most are members for years before death, and will be put in when they die, unless however they die causes major brain damage.[/QUOTE] Doesn't really change the fact they're essentially con-artists who are tricking people into paying tens of thousands of dollars on promises and pseudo-science.