The Clinton campaign has started pumping out Trump attack ads - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50264938]Even if Clinton decided to end her political career and change most of her policies for her second term, nothing she could do would be as bad as a Trump presidency.[/QUOTE] Really? She's expressed some awful judgment which no leader should have. Trade deals, unnecessary wars, defending rapists, campaigning for segregationists. I don't see how that could possibly make a good, or even decent, president

[QUOTE=cody8295;50264963]Really? She's expressed some awful judgment which no leader should have. Trade deals, unnecessary wars, defending rapists, campaigning for segregationists. I don't see how that could possibly make a good, or even decent, president[/QUOTE] alright, let's just assume that every single one of your criticisms is absolutely true how does that make her worse than trump

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50264981]alright, let's just assume that every single one of your criticisms is absolutely true how does that make her worse than trump[/QUOTE] My criticisms are historical fact, it makes her worse than Trump because she's been meddling in politics for decades, she knows how to get done any future schemes she might try to pull. The donald might be successful in business but I doubt his abilities to implement even 1 or 2 of his disastrous ideas, considering how strongly most congressmen and senators feel about him.

[QUOTE]e been thinking... Trump has never been particularly liked by the Republican party, and has ousted all of their favored candidates. If he fails to rally the party behind him, we could end up with a President that has to fight against BOTH parties- and all of their officials in Congress- to do anything at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect a Trump presidency could end up being four years of little to no change at all, if both parties choose to gridlock his every move[/QUOTE] I am starting to think Trump might be a better option because of this. Even if he wins, there are legal measures in place to ensure he can be kicked out.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50264963]Really? She's expressed some awful judgment which no leader should have. Trade deals, unnecessary wars, defending rapists. I don't see how that could possibly make a good, or even decent, president[/QUOTE] Maybe so, but Trump wants to destroy relations with our neighbors for the sake of an ineffectual border control measure, wants more corporate involvement in healthcare, his economic plans will funnel more money towards the richest in the country while simultaneously [I]increasing[/I] the deficit, and he wants to push for what basically amounts to thought control in the form of banning a religion from entering the country. There is zero question that his judgement is worse than Clinton's.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50264993]My criticisms are historical fact, it makes her worse than Trump because she's been meddling in politics for decades, she knows how to get done any future schemes she might try to pull. The donald might be successful in business but I doubt his abilities to implement even 1 or 2 of his disastrous ideas, considering how strongly most congressmen and senators feel about him.[/QUOTE] right, he wouldn't be able to get anything done besides electing a supreme court member and passing any horrible republican legislation that happens to align with his own views and vetoing legislation that might happen to be good and ruining foreign relations with literally every other country on the planet besides that he wouldn't be able to do anything [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50265005]I am starting to think Trump might be a better option because of this. Even if he wins, there are legal measures in place to ensure he can be kicked out.[/QUOTE] there is plenty an immature narcissist manchild can do to fuck up the country even without congressional approval

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;50264126]Hahaha. Even if we take these videos at face value it doesn't mean a single fucking thing. Because guess what? Trump might be bad, but Clinton is worse.[/QUOTE] How so? I understand that she has no real integrity, but how can her policies be worse than Trump's?

[QUOTE=Ott;50265032]How so? I understand that she has no real integrity, but how can her policies be worse than Trump's?[/QUOTE] every single bad stance she has, trump has as well, and worse like don't get me wrong, I despise hillary clinton, but if you think trump is better you're a fool

[QUOTE=cody8295;50264993]I doubt his abilities to implement even 1 or 2 of his disastrous ideas, considering how strongly most congressmen and senators feel about him.[/QUOTE] This argument makes no sense. Since when do we vote for the person who has worse ideas because they're so bad they're less likely to get implemented than the other person's? If his worst ideas are so bad that they'll never get implemented, unlike Clinton, then he has worse judgement than Clinton, period.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50265042]This argument makes no sense. Since when do we vote for the person who has worse ideas because they're so bad they're less likely to get implemented than the other person's? If his worst ideas are so bad that they'll never get implemented, unlike Clinton, then he has worse judgement than Clinton, period.[/QUOTE] People are so in denial about their favored candidates dropping that they'll justify screwing over everyone as somehow helping them. His reasons don't make sense because he doesn't even believe them.

[QUOTE]there is plenty an immature narcissist manchild can do to fuck up the country even without congressional approval[/QUOTE] They are both awful. The question is "which one more likely going get impeached?" That is the criteria right now.

Trump will probably be the first republican to attack a democrat from the left on a few issues (her vote for the war in Iraq, her support of some trade agreements like NAFTA, etc.)

[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50265066]They are both awful. The question is "which one more likely going get impeached?" That is the criteria right now.[/QUOTE] No it's not. Not if you actually live in a real world where who is elected has consequences.

[QUOTE=plunger435;50265113]No it's not. Not if you actually live in a real world where who is elected has consequences.[/QUOTE] Elections do have consequences. The best consequence is not vote for either of them. Vote third party.

[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50265125]Elections do have consequences. The best consequence is not vote for either of them. Vote third party.[/QUOTE] And have absolutely no say in who gets elected this cycle? No thanks. I'm not so out of touch as to vote third party and just hope the president gets impeached.

[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50265125]Elections do have consequences. The best consequence is not vote for either of them. Vote third party.[/QUOTE] Let us just dispense with this nonsense. The absolute best case scenario you could possibly hope for when voting for a third party candidate in a first past the post system is that enough people from the two major parties jump on board that that third party becomes a new major party. As long as that candidate remains a third party candidate, they will never have a hope of ever being elected and any vote for that candidate is, practically speaking, completely meaningless. Two parties are the logical end point of first past the post voting. They always will be. And no amount of third party votes will ever change that. Feel free to vote third party as a matter of principle, but don't even bother pretending that it's a valid path to a better political climate. It changes nothing.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50265042]This argument makes no sense. Since when do we vote for the person who has worse ideas because they're so bad they're less likely to get implemented than the other person's? If his worst ideas are so bad that they'll never get implemented, unlike Clinton, then he has worse judgement than Clinton, period.[/QUOTE] Clintons judgement is far far worse, all you gotta do is look at her past, which many prefer to ignore or never learn. Then look at trumps past, he's done some shitty things, but nothing quite as shitty as participating in the effort to lower the minimum wage to 30 cents an hour in foreign countries to protect US interests. He might take advantage of low minimum wage and illegal immigrants as employees, but if you look at what he says, he is (or was) more liberal than clinton on many topics. Back a while ago trump said he supported legalizing all drugs, which is a very important issue to me. He may have changed his opinion publicly on that, but the fact that at one point he expressed the fact that the war on drugs can only be solved by competing with the black markets is a huge factor why I support him over clinton, any day of the week.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50265186]Clintons judgement is far far worse, all you gotta do is look at her past, which many prefer to ignore or never learn. Then look at trumps past, he's done some shitty things, but nothing quite as shitty as participating in the effort to lower the minimum wage to 30 cents an hour in foreign countries to protect US interests. He might take advantage of low minimum wage and illegal immigrants as employees, but if you look at what he says, he is (or was) more liberal than clinton on many topics. Back a while ago trump said he supported legalizing all drugs, which is a very important issue to me. He may have changed his opinion publicly on that, but the fact that at one point he expressed the fact that the war on drugs can only be solved by competing with the black markets is a huge factor why I support him over clinton, any day of the week.[/QUOTE] in your first paragraph you say to take trump at his word and in the second you say he's lying like if you're going to construct a fantasy trump who somehow wouldn't be an abhorrent president can you at least be consistent

[QUOTE=cody8295;50265186]Clintons judgement is far far worse, all you gotta do is look at her past, which many prefer to ignore or never learn. Then look at trumps past, he's done some shitty things, but nothing quite as shitty as participating in the effort to lower the minimum wage to 30 cents an hour in foreign countries to protect US interests. He might take advantage of low minimum wage and illegal immigrants as employees, but if you look at what he says, he is (or was) more liberal than clinton on many topics. Back a while ago trump said he supported legalizing all drugs, which is a very important issue to me. He may have changed his opinion publicly on that, but the fact that at one point he expressed the fact that the war on drugs can only be solved by competing with the black markets is a huge factor why I support him over clinton, any day of the week.[/QUOTE] So when Clinton flip flops you don't know if you can trust her. When Trump flip flops you know he has your best interests at heart.

[QUOTE=plunger435;50265203]So when Clinton flip flops you don't know if you can trust her. When Trump flip flops you know he has your best interests at heart.[/QUOTE] Look at the facts, clinton flip flopped for decades while in and between holding public office, sketchy as fuck. Trump, who's held somewhat liberal views up until recently, jumps into the political game as an extreme republican who every week or so shows he's pulling left on a few policies. Clinton never expressed ending the drug war, so she doesn't even qualify to be a good president in my view

[QUOTE=cody8295;50265225]Look at the facts, clinton flip flopped for decades while in and between holding public office, sketchy as fuck. Trump, who's held somewhat liberal views up until recently, jumps into the political game as an extreme republican who every week or so shows he's pulling left on a few policies. Clinton never expressed ending the drug war, so she doesn't even qualify to be a good president in my view[/QUOTE] Ah so your voting for Trump because he doesn't have a bad voting history! Did you stop to consider that because he's not a politician he doesn't actually have one to judge in the first place..?

[QUOTE=plunger435;50265235]Ah so your voting for Trump because he doesn't have a bad voting history! Did you stop to consider that because he's not a politician he doesn't actually have one to judge in the first place..?[/QUOTE] I'm voting for trump if bernie doesn't get the nomination or run independent because he's less shitty than clinton. Trump said he wanted to legalize all drugs and to me, that's the most important issue facing america right now. I dont care what his current position on the subject it, the fact that he said it is why I'd vote for him over clinton. But please keep trying as hard as you can to prove anyone who doesn't support clinton is just mad or something

[QUOTE=cody8295;50265225]Look at the facts, clinton flip flopped for decades while in and between holding public office, sketchy as fuck. Trump, who's held somewhat liberal views up until recently, jumps into the political game as an extreme republican who every week or so shows he's pulling left on a few policies. Clinton never expressed ending the drug war, so she doesn't even qualify to be a good president in my view[/QUOTE] alright so you don't think trump is bad because he won't be able to pass any of his "bad ideas", even though plenty of them are ideas that the republican majority would agree with and want to pass but you think trump is good because he wants to decriminalize all drugs, something that he would actually never in a trillion fucking years ever be able to do

[QUOTE=cody8295;50265243]I'm voting for trump if bernie doesn't get the nomination or run independent because he's less shitty than clinton. Trump said he wanted to legalize all drugs and to me, that's the most important issue facing america right now. I dont care what his current position on the subject it, the fact that he said it is why I'd vote for him over clinton. But please keep trying as hard as you can to prove anyone who doesn't support clinton is just mad or something[/QUOTE] Before you said your single most important Trump issue was him not wanting boots on the ground. I assume you've changed to drugs after people proved that claim wrong? Trump hasn't said he'd legalize drugs on the campaign trail once.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50265243]I'm voting for trump if bernie doesn't get the nomination or run independent because he's less shitty than clinton. Trump said he wanted to[b] legalize all drugs and to me, that's the most important issue facing america right now. [/b]I dont care what his current position on the subject it, the fact that he said it is why I'd vote for him over clinton. But please keep trying as hard as you can to prove anyone who doesn't support clinton is just mad or something[/QUOTE] Ah, now it all makes sense.

[QUOTE=plunger435;50265254]Before you said your single most important Trump issue was him not wanting boots on the ground. I assume you've changed to drugs after people proved that claim wrong? Trump hasn't said he'd legalize drugs on the campaign trail once.[/QUOTE] I don't know why he's not allowed to have a personal reason for voting for someone other than who you would vote for

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50265259]Ah, now it all makes sense.[/QUOTE] What makes sense to me is that a user with a rotating cross thinks we should keep putting people in prison for innocently experimenting with their own body

Legalizing all drugs is an awful idea though? Letting any drug no matter how harmful it is to the human body be sold sets an atrocious precedent that drug companies could use to exploit the shit out of people. Even if you want that I can't see how that could be worth electing somebody who's against marriage equality AND civil unions, wants to further the US's corporate dick-sucking with stuff like no tax for corporations, and says climate change is a hoax and wants to cut the EPA.

[QUOTE=Aztec;50265265]I don't know why he's not allowed to have a personal reason for voting for someone other than who you would vote for[/QUOTE] if you say "the most important issue for me is no war and that's why I'm voting for X" and then when someone proves that X actually does plan on going to war you change your "most important issue" to something else to justify your continued support of that candidate then you're either an idiot or a liar

[QUOTE=cody8295;50265269]What makes sense to me is that a user with a rotating cross thinks we should keep putting people in prison for innocently experimenting with their own body[/QUOTE] My avatar is as much of a joke as your whole online persona is; or your political leanings for that matter. While I am a Bernie supporter your blind hatred of Clinton and support of Trump is absolutely foolish.