The Clinton campaign has started pumping out Trump attack ads - Polidicks

[QUOTE=smurfy;50263985] [media]https://youtu.be/RTd0tAWrQ8k[/media][/QUOTE] This one has the complete opposite effect of what they intended. Like I loved like 90% of what they showed him saying. They're show casing the wrong things to make him look bad. At this rate they might as well slap "Paid for by the Hillary campaign, endorsed by Donald Trump" because for the people who are going to vote for him, they love the stuff they highlighted in that video.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;50267382]This one has the complete opposite effect of what they intended. Like I loved like 90% of what they showed him saying. They're show casing the wrong things to make him look bad. At this rate they might as well slap "Paid for by the Hillary campaign, endorsed by Donald Trump" because for the people who are going to vote for him, they love the stuff they highlighted in that video.[/QUOTE] They even edited the video to make him sound as bad as possible and they failed at what they were supposed to do. Pretty horrible job by whoever made these ads.

[QUOTE=Jordax;50264460]Sanders' biggest problem was that he had a lack of leader mentality. This is the American presidential election after all, and people want a strong leader, especially in these times. He really did never recover from getting shoved off his podium by two BLM ladies, and he was going way too soft in debates against Clinton while having all he needed to knock her under the carpet. But he backed off during those debates far too often. He should have put more pressure on Clinton, he didn't even do much, and Clinton still complained after that, he should just have continued pressing her on those things. He should have gone on the offence much earlier in that regard, and convince people that he is actual leader material, as in, that he could really stand up for himself instead of getting shoved off his own speech by a bunch of rude protesters. Maybe if he called Clinton out more for her bullshit and blatant lies, he would have made more of a chance in the primaries.[/QUOTE] What you have said is perhaps all true, but consider the fact that he is not a ruthless asshole for a minute. That is a quality people appreciate from Bernie Sanders. He could have pushed harder and abandoned his methods, but he held pretty damn firm. Someone who doesn't abandon doing what he believes is right just so that he can win? That is a leader right there. That is a hard thing to do. He wanted to win and win the right way.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50264079]I hope Trump's response is every bit as hilariously devastating and ruthless as we've come to expect from him. That's the one positive thing this general election can give us, a nice show to watch.[/QUOTE] The sad truth is that the United States presidential election is little more than dumb reality television now. Hell, we even have a bona fide reality television star running this time. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=cody8295;50266144]In the post you quoted, I call trump a pandering flip flopper, so I don't know where your analysis is stemming from. 30 years ago trump had better views than clinton did, that's kinda important, foresight and all. What they say recently doesn't matter to me much because I don't trust either of them [editline]5th May 2016[/editline] Throwing a temper tantrum versus voting strategically because the voting system sucks are 2 different things[/QUOTE] "Voting strategically?" What exactly is your "strategy" in voting for the ideological opposite of your preferred candidate when another candidate exists whose policies are much more closely aligned with your own? As much as the Republicans dislike Trump, it's foolish to think that a Republican controlled congress will block him on every issue, because the majority of his stances still align with party interests. After voting 60+ times to repeal the ACA, do you really think they're going to fight if Trump says, "let's finally make this happen?"

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50267902]The sad truth is that the United States presidential election is little more than dumb reality television now. Hell, we even have a bona fide reality television star running this time. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] "Voting strategically?" What exactly is your "strategy" in voting for the ideological opposite of your preferred candidate when another candidate exists whose policies are much more closely aligned with your own? As much as the Republicans dislike Trump, it's foolish to think they a Republican controlled congress will block him on every issue, because the majority stances still align with party interests. After voting 60+ times to repeal the ACA, do you really think they're going to fight if Trump says, "let's finally make this happen?"[/QUOTE] Ive said it before, the strategy is to vote for the least corrupt, most liberal candidate, and that would be trump if sanders is out

[QUOTE=cody8295;50268489]Ive said it before, the strategy is to vote for the least corrupt, [B]most liberal candidate[/B], [B]and that would be trump[/B] if sanders is out[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Raidyr;50264424]There is no point arguing with cody. I have tried, others have tried. He has absolutely no respect for reality and doesn't not acknowledge observable, empirical facts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50268525][/QUOTE] Jesus, I never realized he was this bad. Lesson learned. Trump, the most liberal candidate...! Fuck me.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50268543]Jesus, I never realized he was this bad. Lesson learned. Trump, the most liberal candidate...! Fuck me.[/QUOTE] I wont blame you for falling for clintons rhetoric but it is laughable

Cody, in this fairytale land can I be heir to a sailboat empire? Having a fortune and a fleet of private yachts would have made my troubled teen years much more manageable. Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=cody8295;50268615]I wont blame you for falling for clintons rhetoric but it is laughable[/QUOTE] I hate to break it to you, but your smug, condescending, self-righteousness isn't convincing people that you've thought your opinions through.

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;50268673]I hate to break it to you, but your smug, condescending, self-righteousness isn't convincing people that you've thought your opinions through.[/QUOTE] I've already convinced myself, so there's no real need to convince others. I'm just entertaining the people who cannot understand the Sanders>Trump mentality or foolishly generalize us millions as acting out of emotion or ignorance.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50268489]Ive said it before, the strategy is to vote for the least corrupt, most liberal candidate, and that would be trump if sanders is out[/QUOTE] Trump, the most liberal? Are you serious? He might be liberal for the GOP, but more than Clinton? Refutation: [B]On social issues:[/B] Trump has suggested that we need fewer vaccinations of children. Hillary is pro-vaccination. Trump and Hillary share the same stance on marijuana - medical legal federally, recreational waiting for further research. [B]On abortion:[/B] Trump wants to defund Planned Parenthood entirely. Hillary does not. Trump believes women need to be punished for abortions. Hillary wants to keep them legal but prioritize adoption and alternatives beforehand. [B]On crime:[/B] Trump has said that anyone who kills a police officer deserves the death penalty. Hillary also supports the death penalty, but with far, far tighter limitations. [B]On education:[/B] Trump supports voucher programs and the increased privatization of the K-12 public school program. Hillary believes voucher programs are unconstitutional and has repeatedly voted against them. Trump wants to cut the Department of Education's funding significantly. Hillary has consistently voted in favor of teacher wages and increased federal education funding. Trump has spoken against teacher's unions. Hillary has voted against allowing companies to restrict union organization. [B]On economy:[/B] Trump is against raising the minimum wage whatsoever. Hillary has been calling for a "living wage" since the 90s, and has been fighting for a $12 minimum wage for a long while now. Trump wants to privatize the entire social security network. Hillary has repeatedly spoken out against raising the retirement age and has fought for stronger social security benefits, especially for the poorest recipients. Trump wants to cut taxes significantly across the board. Hillary wants to raise taxes on millionaires, and avoid raising taxes on the middle class. Trump wants to abolish the estate tax, allowing the wealthy to continue hoarding money over generations. Hillary has consistently voted against decreasing the efficacy of the estate tax. [B]On the internet:[/B] Trump has called for "closing the internet up" to fight ISIS recruitment, and called net neutrality "a top down takeover of the internet." Hillary has been pro-net neutrality since at least 2007. Trump is absolutely less liberal than Hillary. Without a doubt. Here's evidence. Just look it up. He's anti-net-neutrality, anti-increasing-taxes, anti-almost-every-single-fucking-social-program, pro-privatization of government-run social programs, against raising the minimum wage, against welfare programs, rabidly pro-police, anti-immigration, pro-discrimination by religion, the list goes on and on and on. Hillary has plenty of suspect votes that I disagree with, but on the vast majority of issues she is a less liberal Sanders. Far more liberal than fucking [i]Trump[/i]. You've deluded yourself.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;50264126]Trump might be bad, but Clinton is worse.[/QUOTE] if you are a complete moron

[QUOTE=cody8295;50268711]I've already convinced myself, so there's no real need to convince others. I'm just entertaining the people who cannot understand the Sanders>Trump mentality or foolishly generalize us millions as acting out of emotion or ignorance.[/QUOTE] I'm not [I]generalizing[/I] that you're acting out of ignorance. I'm [I]guaranteeing[/I] that you're acting out of an incredible level of blatant ignorance of concrete facts. If you look at Hillary's voting record, as in actually look at it instead of reading /r/Hillary4Prison and /r/the_donald, you'll see that by and large she's a more centrist Sanders. Even in comparison to Donald's positions in the 90s, on the vast majority of domestic issues, she is absolutely more liberal than him. Foreign policy is essentially the only genuine criticism you can levy against her - when it comes to domestic policy, in almost every area that is important to progressives, she is significantly more liberal than Trump. By a landslide. Saying that "Trump is the most liberal candidate" is factually incorrect. There's no other explanation beyond complete delusion and wild ignorance. You don't know shit about the candidates if you genuinely think that a GOP frontrunner who holds the positions I posted above is "the most liberal." You can go online to dozens of comparison sites, go to OnTheIssues and look at their pages and you can compare their positions on numerous issues from decades ago to today. But no, you're already convinced because you're an ignorant stubborn uninformed know-nothing voter. You're factually wrong in every way. I'm not saying you have to support Hillary, I'm just saying to [i]actually research the goddamn candidates by reading more than Breitbart and blog posts[/i]. Because you're completely wrong.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50268489]Ive said it before, the strategy is to vote for the least corrupt, most liberal candidate, and that would be trump if sanders is out[/QUOTE] Most liberal? Donald "Women who seek abortions should have some sort of punishment" Trump. Is this the fox definition of liberal ie totalitarian

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50268765]Trump, the most liberal? Are you serious? He might be liberal for the GOP, but more than Clinton? Refutation: [B]On social issues:[/B] Trump has suggested that we need fewer vaccinations of children. Hillary is pro-vaccination. Trump and Hillary share the same stance on marijuana - medical legal federally, recreational waiting for further research. [/quote] Trump has said a lot about vaccines being linked to autism but I don't believe he's called for less vaccines, just spreading them out and disallowing combinations of vaccines in one visit. [url]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449331076528615424?[/url] Trump has said in the 90's that all drugs should be legal and regulated, and even suggested looking into it just last year [QUOTE]Q: A lot of talk about addiction on the campaign trail lately, especially up in New Hampshire. You used to think that legalization, taking the profit out, would solve that problem. What changed your mind? TRUMP: Well, I did not think about it, I said it's something that should be studied and maybe should continue to be studied. But it's not something I'd be willing to do right now. I think it's something that I've always said maybe it has to be looked at because we do such a poor job of policing. We don't want to build walls. We don't want to do anything. And if you're not going to want to do the policing, you're going to have to start thinking about other alternatives. But it's not something that I would want to do. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Drugs.htm[/url] [quote] [B]On abortion:[/B] Trump wants to defund Planned Parenthood entirely. Hillary does not. Trump believes women need to be punished for abortions. Hillary wants to keep them legal but prioritize adoption and alternatives beforehand. [/quote] He recently has said he wants to defund (unclear if completely) while they're still performing abortions. However before he decided to run for president as a conservative his views were different: he believed in and expressed publicly rights for women to have abortions. When asked why he changed his views, he usually references a friend of his deciding against having an abortion and the kid turning out to be great, which I don't buy for one second. Trump switched positions to be better shaped for the republican nomination. [quote] [B]On crime:[/B] Trump has said that anyone who kills a police officer deserves the death penalty. Hillary also supports the death penalty, but with far, far tighter limitations. [/quote] Trump and Shillary would both expand the police state powers, so their positions on the death penalty don't matter much to me. [quote] [B]On education:[/B] Trump supports voucher programs and the increased privatization of the K-12 public school program. Hillary believes voucher programs are unconstitutional and has repeatedly voted against them. Trump wants to cut the Department of Education's funding significantly. Hillary has consistently voted in favor of teacher wages and increased federal education funding. Trump has spoken against teacher's unions. Hillary has voted against allowing companies to restrict union organization. [/quote] On education Trump is more conservative than clinton. [quote] [B]On economy:[/B] Trump is against raising the minimum wage whatsoever. Hillary has been calling for a "living wage" since the 90s, and has been fighting for a $12 minimum wage for a long while now. Trump wants to privatize the entire social security network. Hillary has repeatedly spoken out against raising the retirement age and has fought for stronger social security benefits, especially for the poorest recipients. Trump wants to cut taxes significantly across the board. Hillary wants to raise taxes on millionaires, and avoid raising taxes on the middle class. Trump wants to abolish the estate tax, allowing the wealthy to continue hoarding money over generations. Hillary has consistently voted against decreasing the efficacy of the estate tax. [/quote] I trust clinton to pass a minimum wage increase as much as I trust donald to. She [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-just-took-surprising-022900133.html"]blatantly lied[/URL] about supporting 15 dollars minimum wage for years. but really she didn't support it until it was suddenly unpopular not to. She also helped do some [URL="http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/"]shady shit[/URL] to the Haitians minimum wage to protect american manufacturers. [quote] [B]On the internet:[/B] Trump has called for "closing the internet up" to fight ISIS recruitment, and called net neutrality "a top down takeover of the internet." Hillary has been pro-net neutrality since at least 2007. .[/QUOTE] Hillary vows to be pro-net neutrality yet she takes money from Verizon and TWC. I just don't understand how companies in a capitalist society are going to back the candidate who promises to make their job much harder and less profitable. I believe she has other intentions. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;50268830]I'm not [I]generalizing[/I] that you're acting out of ignorance. I'm [I]guaranteeing[/I] that you're acting out of an incredible level of blatant ignorance of concrete facts. If you look at Hillary's voting record, as in actually look at it instead of reading /r/Hillary4Prison and /r/the_donald, you'll see that by and large she's a more centrist Sanders. Even in comparison to Donald's positions in the 90s, on the vast majority of domestic issues, she is absolutely more liberal than him. Foreign policy is essentially the only genuine criticism you can levy against her - when it comes to domestic policy, in almost every area that is important to progressives, she is significantly more liberal than Trump. By a landslide. Saying that "Trump is the most liberal candidate" is factually incorrect. There's no other explanation beyond complete delusion and wild ignorance. You don't know shit about the candidates if you genuinely think that a GOP frontrunner who holds the positions I posted above is "the most liberal." You can go online to dozens of comparison sites, go to OnTheIssues and look at their pages and you can compare their positions on numerous issues from decades ago to today. But no, you're already convinced because you're an ignorant stubborn uninformed know-nothing voter. You're factually wrong in every way. I'm not saying you have to support Hillary, I'm just saying to [i]actually research the goddamn candidates by reading more than Breitbart and blog posts[/i]. Because you're completely wrong.[/QUOTE] Lol I like your imagination, very interesting sources you've made up there. Donald trump has hijacked the republican party, he is not a true conservative in more than a few policy areas.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50269118]Trump has said a lot about vaccines being linked to autism but I don't believe he's called for less vaccines, just spreading them out and disallowing combinations of vaccines in one visit. [url]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449331076528615424?[/url][/QUOTE] You openly support someone who ignores all scientific evidence and openly believes that vaccines should be limited based on literal conspiracy theorists? Do you also think climate change is a chinese hoax? [QUOTE=cody8295;50269118] Trump has said in the 90's that all drugs should be legal and regulated, and even suggested looking into it just last year [url]http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Drugs.htm[/url] [/QUOTE] He's referring only to marijuana. You just confirmed what I posted - him and Hillary share positions on marijuana. Neither supports full drug legalization. Hell, from the same source, Trump directly says: "Medical marijuana is another thing, but I think [recreational marijuana] it's bad. And I feel strongly about that." [QUOTE=cody8295;50269118] He recently has said he wants to defund (unclear if completely) while they're still performing abortions. However before he decided to run for president as a conservative his views were different: he believed in and expressed publicly rights for women to have abortions. When asked why he changed his views, he usually references a friend of his deciding against having an abortion and the kid turning out to be great, which I don't buy for one second. Trump switched positions to be better shaped for the republican nomination.[/QUOTE] So he flip-flopped on abortion. He's directly quoted as saying "I am pro-life." He is opposed to abortion and is willing to defund Planned Parenthood to get rid of it. You did not even mention his quote about how women deserve to be punished for getting abortions - how can you support not only banning abortions, but criminalizing them and jailing women who seek them out? [QUOTE=cody8295;50269118] On education Trump is more conservative than clinton. [/QUOTE] You don't say. [QUOTE=cody8295;50269118] I trust clinton to pass a minimum wage increase as much as I trust donald to. She [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-just-took-surprising-022900133.html"]blatantly lied[/URL] about supporting 15 dollars minimum wage for years. but really she didn't support it until it was suddenly unpopular not to. She also helped do some [URL="http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/"]shady shit[/URL] to the Haitians minimum wage to protect american manufacturers. [/QUOTE] You mean Hillary used protectionist trade policies to force the hand of a sovereign nation in order to protect US jobs? It's almost like Trump's doing the same thing by planning heavy tariffs against major competitors in order to protect US jobs. Both are despicable. Also, Hillary held a $12 minimum wage position for a long while. You did not mention that she's been using the "living wage" terminology that Sanders has been using since 1999. She switched to $15 to compete with Sanders - why is this flip-flopping and Trump's switching views on abortion is not? She's been for raising the minimum wage for a long time. In 2007, Hillary stated that she voted for banning congressional wage increases until they increased the minimum wage - not only that, she sponsored the fucking bill. In 2007, she voted yes on an amendment to raise the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. In 2003, Hillary voted in favor of protecting overtime pay. In 2003, she was rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, showing that she is generally pro-union. In 1999, Hillary stated that "America can afford to raise the minimum wage" and said that it was necessary. Why do you consider her unreliable on this? It's a position she's been strong on for decades. You can't call flip-flop on this one - she has been pro-raising the minimum wage since the 90s, and her record confirms it. [QUOTE=cody8295;50269118] Hillary vows to be pro-net neutrality yet she takes money from Verizon and TWC. I just don't understand how companies in a capitalist society are going to back the candidate who promises to make their job much harder and less profitable. I believe she has other intentions. [/QUOTE] What reason do you have to think this? She's been an outspoken supporter of Wheeler's efforts to reign in cable companies and the FCC's new regulations on net neutrality. She co-sponsored a bill to amend the Communications Act of 1934 to ensure net neutrality's continued existence. Her record consistently indicates that she is pro-net neutrality. There is no reason to think she'll change this - she's been supporting it ever since it became a political issue. You are completely deluded. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] Not to mention you ignored every position that I posted about Trump and immediately tried to discredit Hillary's. None of Trump's positions I posted are even moderately liberal. Comment on how he can simultaneously hold those positions and be a liberal - not on how much you doubt Hillary's genuineness. I get that - I do, too. I'm not a huge Hillary fan at all. But tell me how Trump can hold those positions and still, in your mind, be the "most liberal candidate." I don't care what you think of Hillary - I care how you're able to bend your mind to the point that "being liberal" reflects the values that Trump is showing through his platform. Because I really, really don't understand how you can consider Trump a liberal.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50269258]You openly support someone who ignores all scientific evidence and openly believes that vaccines should be limited based on literal conspiracy theorists? Do you also think climate change is a chinese hoax? He's referring only to marijuana. You just confirmed what I posted - him and Hillary share positions on marijuana. Neither supports full drug legalization. Hell, from the same source, Trump directly says: "Medical marijuana is another thing, but I think [recreational marijuana] it's bad. And I feel strongly about that." So he flip-flopped on abortion. He's directly quoted as saying "I am pro-life." He is opposed to abortion and is willing to defund Planned Parenthood to get rid of it. You did not even mention his quote about how women deserve to be punished for getting abortions - how can you support not only banning abortions, but criminalizing them and jailing women who seek them out? You don't say. You mean Hillary used protectionist trade policies to force the hand of a sovereign nation in order to protect US jobs? It's almost like Trump's doing the same thing by planning heavy tariffs against major competitors in order to protect US jobs. Both are despicable. Also, Hillary held a $12 minimum wage position for a long while. You did not mention that she's been using the "living wage" terminology that Sanders has been using since 1999. She switched to $15 to compete with Sanders - why is this flip-flopping and Trump's switching views on abortion is not? She's been for raising the minimum wage for a long time. In 2007, Hillary stated that she voted for banning congressional wage increases until they increased the minimum wage - not only that, she sponsored the fucking bill. In 2007, she voted yes on an amendment to raise the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. In 2003, Hillary voted in favor of protecting overtime pay. In 2003, she was rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, showing that she is generally pro-union. In 1999, Hillary stated that "America can afford to raise the minimum wage" and said that it was necessary. Why do you consider her unreliable on this? It's a position she's been strong on for decades. You can't call flip-flop on this one - she has been pro-raising the minimum wage since the 90s, and her record confirms it. What reason do you have to think this? She's been an outspoken supporter of Wheeler's efforts to reign in cable companies and the FCC's new regulations on net neutrality. She co-sponsored a bill to amend the Communications Act of 1934 to ensure net neutrality's continued existence. Her record consistently indicates that she is pro-net neutrality. There is no reason to think she'll change this - she's been supporting it ever since it became a political issue. You are completely deluded. [editline]6th May 2016[/editline] Not to mention you ignored every position that I posted about Trump and immediately tried to discredit Hillary's. None of Trump's positions I posted are even moderately liberal. Comment on how he can simultaneously hold those positions and be a liberal - not on how much you doubt Hillary's genuineness. I get that - I do, too. I'm not a huge Hillary fan at all. But tell me how Trump can hold those positions and still, in your mind, be the "most liberal candidate." I don't care what you think of Hillary - I care how you're able to bend your mind to the point that "being liberal" reflects the values that Trump is showing through his platform. Because I really, really don't understand how you can consider Trump a liberal.[/QUOTE] Its not that trump currently reflects liberal ideas, as i said. Hes changed his reflection to be better suited to hijack the Republican party, which he has. I dont trust either clinton or trump on their recent publicly held positions so i judge by what they did when they werent positioning to be president, not just what they say to pander

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[I]In front of millions of Americans, Donald Trump takes his oath of office, only to shock the world when he turns to the crowd and pulls off his face. Instead of a gory skull, however, the masses are greeted by a six inch tall Bernie Sanders working a series of levers. Cody pumps his arm and cheers. "I KNEW IT!"[/I]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50269722][I]In front of millions of Americans, Donald Trump takes his oath of office, only to shock the world when he turns to the crowd and pulls off his face. Instead of a gory skull, however, the masses are greeted by a six inch tall Bernie Sanders working a series of levers. Cody pumps his arm and cheers. "I KNEW IT!"[/I][/QUOTE] Have you ever seen them in the same room together? I havent

"trump attack" beautiful

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50269722]a six inch tall Bernie Sanders working a series of levers[/QUOTE] plot to MiB hillary is the giant cockroach corpse man

[QUOTE=cody8295;50269600]Its not that trump currently reflects liberal ideas, as i said. Hes changed his reflection to be better suited to hijack the Republican party, which he has. I dont trust either clinton or trump on their recent publicly held positions so i judge by what they did when they werent positioning to be president, not just what they say to pander[/QUOTE] You aren't, though. You doubt Clinton will uphold net neutrality even though she's never once cast a vote that would even remotely damage its existence. Why? Because you think she's untrustworthy. You think she's weak on the minimum wage when she's consistently voted for [i]decades[/i] in favor of minimum wage increases. You're looking at what Trump says in the past and taking it at face value, then ignoring what he says now. And you're looking at what Clinton says in the past, taking it at face value, and then actively comparing it to everything she says now. Trump is pandering to an audience, clearly. But Clinton? Actively deceiving her audience. Do you see where you're messing up, here? You're not making equal value judgments on their policies over time. You're also not even considering that political positions change over time. Did Trump actually change his opinion on abortion and go pro-life? You say no, he's just pandering. Did Hillary actually change her opinion on gay marriage and support LGBT rights? You say yes, she's being deceitful. You're not even considering political expedience, you're ignoring how experience changes opinion. Hillary once supported the Iraq war. Since then, she's denounced it over and over. Does that mean that she actually must support it still, and all those denouncements are just her trying to lie to her audience? No, her opinion changed. You're excusing Trump for those judgments and assuming any changed opinions are faked, yet judging Hillary harshly on those changed opinions as absolute fact.

[QUOTE=27X;50264223][url]https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/[/url][/QUOTE] This is even funnier when you find out Putin endorsed Trump