6 HIV sufferers die after their pastor told them to stop taking their medication, because god would - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;33433826]Are you always this angry of a person. Have you ever heard of the phrase "live and let live"[/QUOTE] I believe in magical flying unicorns, TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!!!11

And I mean even then there are what seems to be more loud "extreme" theists, I mean go on google books and look at the comments between "Heaven Is For Real" and "The God Delusion". For reference: God Delusion: [url]http://books.google.com/books?id=yq1xDpicghkC&dq=god+delusion&sitesec=reviews[/url] Heaven is for real: [url]http://books.google.com/books?id=W_5-RKxftbcC&dq=heaven+is+for+real&sitesec=reviews[/url]

[QUOTE=toaster468;33434020]But then why are we talking about extreme atheists when this pastor was obviously more extreme by even considering the fact of not taking medicine?[/QUOTE] Sure, everyone denomination of belief has it's extremist. Thats obvious. The only difference is, it seems with religion, the extremists are the only ones anyone ever focuses on, and uses them as a base to cast their hatred and disapproval on. As for who is spewing hatred. Take a look through this thread. I'm seeing posts like "fuck religion" etc. I'm not asking anyone to stop or play nice, i don't give a shit and i don't take it personally. But i'm just using it as an example of what this extremism that i'm talking about consists of. Also, sarcasting remarks that are typed only to discredit and insult people who happen to be religious. [QUOTE=Fatal-Error;33434069]I believe in magical flying unicorns, TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!!!11[/QUOTE] Theres another form of extremism. It's all relative.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;33434143]Theres another form of extremism. It's all relative.[/QUOTE] Not at all, it's just another baseless claim like religous persons beliefs, it is no more or less ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;33434256]Not at all, it's just another baseless claim like religous persons beliefs, it is no more or less ridiculous.[/QUOTE] An Insult is an insult.

why you fuckers mix up things, its like if god existed hes like gonna save everyone who fucked up their lives. I mean medicine and religion can coexist lol. Asshole priest.

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Surprised this isn't America for once Even more surprised it's in England

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;33433964]Theres nothing wrong with being critical, but people aren't being critical. People are spewing hatred. Thats not what 'critical' means.[/QUOTE] It doesn't help when there's no supporting evidence of a claim that has taken thousands of lives through out the years.

[QUOTE=MedicmanV500;33432231]Fuck religion. What good does it bring? It only seeks to [b]control[/b] through fear and creates ignorance.[/QUOTE] It's called belief for a reason. It doesn't control me. I follow it on my own will.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;33433449]I just bought some HIV down at the market today.[/QUOTE] You paid for it? Ha! I got it for free the other day!

[QUOTE=toaster468;33433428]I should have elaborated, it tries to disprove god.[/QUOTE] If God is real, He gave us science. Science doesn't try to disprove God, it's the way that man interprets it.

[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;33432083]Pastor is probably like "Well God said they had sins so therefore they died because he didn't like them." :downs:[/QUOTE] Death isn't viewed as a necessarily a bad thing. If you're a good person, it just means you go to heaven and that's the best thing that can happen to you ever.

Given the people were dumb enough to listen, I'm surprised they lived this long.

I hate organized religion for this reason. Dogmatic doctrines, and people not even experiencing faith themselves before committing to it. I can't, however, fault disorganized religion nor put it under that category. I'm a Zen Buddhist, which is a very disorganized religion. It basically ditches all theory on the subject and pretty much says 'meditate and find out what happens' - there's no rules, simply guidelines, which basically say 'do what is best for you and your life and let others do the same'. There's no churches, about the closest you'll get is going on a retreat for as long as you want, where you basically meditate from 6am to 7pm without the distractions of the world hanging over you.

Why the fuck do people trust "Gods" word anyway. He's a lying asshole and he does nothing but kill everyone and everything because he doesn't like them.

Well they were healed since they died and their religion sends them to heaven. [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] not justifying it anyway

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;33433576]what the fuck is an atheist extremist seriously[/QUOTE] I think there was like one guy in history who was atheist and had the religious executed, think it was stone French guy. Apparently we're all that guy

[QUOTE=JumJum;33434917]It's called belief for a reason. It doesn't control me. I follow it on my own will.[/QUOTE] The best way of manipulation is to make them think it's their idea. Religion is a mostly emotional thing (see Evid3nc3's channel). Most Christians have had one or more religious dreams they consider real. Once that reality is established, they build upon it, creating their very own image of their personal god. This is one of the reasons why there are so many churches, people have their own view of god. If two groups of people have a significantly different view of their deity, they either sort it out or they split. Both branches will say the other branch is wrong. But that aside, no Christian will ever even consider the idea that they're being controlled.

[QUOTE=MedicmanV500;33432231]Fuck religion. What good does it bring? It only seeks to control through fear and creates ignorance.[/QUOTE] Religion pretty much established public education in the United States. [img]http://www.yogadork.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nbc_the_more_you_know1-300x197.jpg[/img] I believe it better not to ask what good it does, but to weigh the pros and cons. Religion does a lot of good things too, you just often don't hear about them.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33432706]Nothing, those fucking religious scumbags need to just stop living. Oh wait, aside from the fact that religious people are far more charitable and generous than nonreligious people[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Bill_Gates[/url] Ha

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;33432575]As a Christian I just like to believe that God gave us science to explain everything. Its not that hard[/QUOTE] Then why did the catholic church stop scientific progress for centuries, people like Galileo sure weren't loved by the church.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33432490]They need to be charged with volountary manslaughter, if nto outright murder.[/QUOTE] If someone told you to jump infront of a car since it would heal your cancer and you actually do it. Should we charge whoever told you to do it with manslaughter/murder?

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;33436266][url]http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Bill_Gates[/url] Ha[/QUOTE] Oh lookie I can cite one charitable agnostic man who just so happens to talk about all the good religion does. That really helps my argument! No. Look up the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey, religious people are significantly more charitable. [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=the-dutch-guy;33436781]Then why did the catholic church stop scientific progress for centuries, people like Galileo sure weren't loved by the church.[/QUOTE] The Church investigated Galileo's claims the moment he made them and determined that they were scientifically possible, but not proven to their satisfaction. Galileo was prosecuted and placed under house arrest because he went against the prevailing scientific consensus of everyone at the time, including other astronomers. His views were a threat to the stability of not only the Papal States but a threat to the reputation of many well-respected "scientists". You can not forget that at this time, the Church was a separate political entity with its own armies, taxes, etc. It had to protect its political interests, and the suppression of Galileo had very little to do with religion and more to do with the fear of admitting being wrong.

Now they are cured, the people just crossed over to the other side.

Derp. Well I suppose at least they won't spread it to others, but still. This needs to stop. I think malpractice laws might apply? Or perhaps "Praciticing medicine without a license"? There has to be something the cops can nail 'em with.[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33432706]Nothing, those fucking religious scumbags need to just stop living. Oh wait, aside from the fact that religious people are far more charitable and generous than nonreligious people EDIT: To those who disagree, I suggest you check out the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey. 91% of religious people donate, as opposed to 66% of people who are nonreligious, and 67% of religious people volunteer, as opposed to 44% of people who are nonreligious.[/QUOTE] Whoop-de-freakin'-do.

Damn it TestECull, you beat me to it. Practicing medicine without a license was exactly what I was thinking.

[QUOTE=TestECull;33438286]Derp. Well I suppose at least they won't spread it to others, but still. This needs to stop. I think malpractice laws might apply? Or perhaps "Praciticing medicine without a license"? There has to be something the cops can nail 'em with.[/qUOTE] "practicing medicine without medicine"

>Pastor says "stop taking medication god will heal" >People die because they stop taking medication >Church quickly fabricates a response to wangle their way into saying it's God that heals you after the doctors give you treatment where have I seen a similar process in history before?

[QUOTE=TestECull;33438286]Whoop-de-freakin'-do.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, is that a valid response in your mind? Are you attempting to brush aside what I said with that nonsense? The poster said that religion does no good, and I simply explained to him he was wrong. Are you implying that charity is pointless?