Westboro Baptist church gets their asses fucking chased out of tornado damaged town.
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but they were supposed to learn what love is and stop doing this when we showed them love when one of their members died
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;44481053]Are you incapable of reading or something
They are being LOUD and YELLING. They have every right to be across the street from the church, but police can't push them further than that.
THEY ARE TELLING PEOPLE OF ALL NATIONS, SEXUALITY, AND PEOPLE WHOM HAVE DIED INNOCENTLY THAT THEY WILL DIE IN A FIRE
[I]BY DEFINITION, [B]THEY ARE EXERCISING HATE SPEECH[/B][/I]
It's NOT a difficult concept, did all of you fail primary school or something, jesus fucking christ.[/QUOTE]
I get that it's hate speech but that doesn't matter to me. I don't care if they hate people. I don't care if they hate me. They are just opinions.
On free speech, Noam Chomsky really put it best:
"With regard to freedom of speech there are basically two positions: you defend it vigorously for views you hate, or you reject it and prefer Stalinist/fascist standards. It is unfortunate that it remains necessary to stress these simple truths."
We might hate what the WBC has to say, but it's important to stand by their right to say it. I'm glad the Roberts Court actually saw some sense about this.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;44481113]but they were supposed to learn what love is and stop doing this when we showed them love when one of their members died[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I don't see any pigs flying and shitting 10 pound diamonds, so I guess they never learned what love really is.
[QUOTE=Chaotic Lord;44481094]Assuming you're not exaggerating...
You need some serious help.[/QUOTE]
I am exaggerating <3
The WBC has had way closer brushes with violence, there's video of the car they're driving away in having the windows smashed. They knew they were safe and got what they wanted, which is a platform to yell about being oppressed.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44481045]I expect people to act rationally and not like animals.
You know, this is the exact same thing as the thread with the marine who got angry at the guy with the upside down flag. Except here, we have more people who judge the type of protest as "outrageous" so then it becomes OK to silence it with violence and intimidation. In the flag thread, there were a lot less people defending the marines. The only people who did so were military members themselves. You can see how peoples' culture can really dictate how much they value certain rights. In Uganda, for instance, the WBC's protesting wouldn't be very controversial at all. On a military base, flying an upside down flag would be just as outrageous as the WBC. If you value free speech at all, you can't be selective and hypocritical about it.[/QUOTE]
I defended the marines in that thread for a very similar reason. It's an emotionally overwhelming situation, rationality is NOT guaranteed.
[QUOTE=daschnek;44481116]On free speech, Noam Chomsky really put it best:
"With regard to freedom of speech there are basically two positions: you defend it vigorously for views you hate, or you reject it and prefer Stalinist/fascist standards. It is unfortunate that it remains necessary to stress these simple truths."
We might hate what the WBC has to say, but it's important to stand by their right to say it. I'm glad the Roberts Court actually saw some sense about this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, except it's hate mongering.
Fucking pussies.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44481062]It's easy to say "ignore them", when you aren't in an emotional state such as them or aren't experiencing what they are. You can't just "ignore them" and ignoring is another one of the dumbest excuses I've ever heard.[/QUOTE]
I understand that and I agree. Having someone shout at you all day and chase you around is already harassment and I think they should be subject to the same standard and kept away from people who don't want to be shouted at all day, but I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to say what they have to say in general.
As a volunteer security worker for a fair, I had a moment like this where me and a few other security staff were being mobbed by hundreds of people. They're pretty much impossible to stop once they all go at once. You have to push them back individually and stop the effort before it starts, because once people get going and you can't stop them, it gets super duper scary.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;44480996]Here, let me practice my free speech.
I think you should get the fuck out of my thread.[/QUOTE]
Hate speech! Emotional harm!
[QUOTE=Kegan;44481001]explosions, just because they have the right to free speech, that doesn't mean they should abuse it. WBC are a group of assholes that use the system in their favor cause they can sue the pants off people that lift a finger against them.
I'm pretty sure our founding fathers would want to kick their asses too[/QUOTE]
1. Seriously, stop saying that they're a scam group. They're not. I have yet to find a single case of them suing people for attacking them. If you can find one, I'll buy you a title. Toxx me on it.
2. Freedom of speech doesn't only mean the freedom of speech, but the freedom to listen as well. When you bar people like Holocaust deniers, creationists, or the WBC from speaking, you make yourself a prisoner of your own action.
3. (Some of) the founding fathers probably would have agreed with them and the rest would at least support their rights to speak. If you knew anything about Jefferson, you'd know that at very least he would support it.
what would happen if they replaced every instance of 'FAG' on their signs with "nigger"? Would it still not be hate speech? Would they still have a right to say that?
I get that they have the right to protest, but do they have the right to rock up and torment vulnerable families and communities like they do? I mean in this instance they're very obviously targeting people who have been through a lot shit and they're very obviously looking to hurt them. At what point does this turn from picketing into abuse?
[QUOTE=Matthew7434;44481234]what would happen if they replaced every instance of 'FAG' on their signs with "nigger"? Would it still be hate speech? Would they still have a right to say that?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, sure. It's not because I hate gays that I think they should be allowed to say that they do.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44481115]I get that it's hate speech but that doesn't matter to me. I don't care if they hate people. I don't care if they hate me. They are just opinions.[/QUOTE]
I don't care if somebody gives me a smack on the face if it's not going to leave lasting damage.
But not everyone is like that and it's still considered an assault.
People have different degree of resilience and that's both physical and psychological, and you being comfortable with something doesn't mean everyone else has to be as well.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44481203]I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to say what they have to say in general.[/QUOTE]
Because fuck respect, dignity, manners when you have the right of free speech
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44481115]I get that it's hate speech but that doesn't matter to me. I don't care if they hate people. I don't care if they hate me. They are just opinions.[/QUOTE]
I hope that you at least understand that not everyone has the emotional strength to deal with a group of people lining up to make fun of you. You don't care what bullies say? Good for you! Not everybody can take that sort of abuse.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;44481247]I get that they have the right to protest, but do they have the right to rock up and torment vulnerable families and communities like they do? I mean in this instance they're very obviously targeting people who have been through a lot shit and they're very obviously looking to hurt them. At what point does this turn from picketing into abuse?[/QUOTE]
I do think that there is a very thorny harassment issue when it comes to them and I don't really have a clear solution for it, but I at least disagree with those who are saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest just because what they say is hateful.
This one in particular is kind of a toughie since they were protesting against an entire town, not just at a funeral.
We should just add "unless you're an asshole" to the end of the 1st amendment.
[quote]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, unless you're an asshole.[/quote]
Perfect.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44481200]That's a great speech but I'm not defending the right for people to be racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.[/QUOTE]
The point is that the right to say things that are racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic or whatever, is the same right that allows you to speak out in criticism of those ideas.
Some wacko gets to say that he wants to string up black people for x and y reason, you get to tell him why he's an ass for x and y reason, and there's an equal forum for discussion and the free flow of ideas. When you start using state violence to stop people from saying these things (as some people advocate for the WBC, though not what happened in the article) you have a society where any minority opinion can be crushed by state violence.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44481200]And that means I should go be Stalin and kill people for no reason?[/QUOTE]
Total strawman, that's not what Chomsky meant at all.
[QUOTE=Katatonic717;44481275]We should just add "unless you're an asshole" to the end of the 1st amendment.
Perfect.[/QUOTE]
I would sign a petition for this to take place. Well, I'm not an American citizen, but I have family living in that part of the world who would definitely sign for such a thing, every one of them.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44481115]I get that it's hate speech but that doesn't matter to me. I don't care if they hate people. I don't care if they hate me. They are just opinions.[/QUOTE]
They're coming in saying that little kids that were killed in a Tornado totally deserve to burn in the pits of Hell.
Yeah, people fucking care man.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44481258]Because fuck respect, dignity, manners when you have the right of free speech[/QUOTE]
We really should not be legislating manners.
Ironically people who chase them out of town are not lumped into the "lacking dignity and manners" category it seems.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44481264]I hope that you at least understand that not everyone has the emotional strength to deal with a group of people lining up to make fun of you. You don't care what bullies say? Good for you! Not everybody can take that sort of abuse.[/QUOTE]
A fair point but I don't really see a good solution and I don't think their right to protest should be taken away because of that fact. People should be accountable at least for their violence.
nah, pretty sure WBC can go fuck themselves with a cactus and there's nothing good about what they do whether or not they have the rights to do so
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44481309]We really should not be legislating manners.
Ironically people who chase them out of town are not lumped into the "lacking dignity and manners" category it seems.
A fair point but I don't really see a good solution and I don't think their right to protest should be taken away because of that fact. People should be accountable at least for their violence.[/QUOTE]
As you sow, so you reap, and I'm pretty sure that them being driven out of town by the good people falls under that category as well.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44481258]Because fuck respect, dignity, manners when you have the right of free speech[/QUOTE]
Respect, dignity, and manners are all great, but nobody deserves violent action against them for refusing to exercise those things.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44480701]Who cares about free speech right?[/QUOTE]
Freedom of speech means that you can't get arrested for saying something. It does NOT mean that other people aren't allowed to react to what you say. There's nothing in the first amendment that says "nobody's allowed to speak out against what you say", because that would be violating THEIR freedom of speech. It's a double-edged sword, and I really wish people would realize that so they would stop using "freedom of speech" as a defense for people being cunts.
when johnnymos mother dies im going to picket and scream that his mother is in hell and that god made it happen and theres nothing he can do because its my free speech
Also, Westboro protests against homosexuality; they actively seek to oppress the human rights of a minority. I'm not sure that this should be protected under law.
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