'Finally. Someone who thinks like me.' - A profile of one of Donald Trump's 'deplorables'
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I mean he offered the fucking presidency in all but name to Kasich, do you think he hasn't made a similar deal with Pence here? Even if he hasn't and he's just giving Pence a lot of running room, Pence [B]alone[/B] is serious cause for concern for anyone who even remotely supports gay rights, something that could be lost in the US all too easily.
There's a lot of legitimate reasons to be afraid of a shyster businessman who's refused to release his tax returns and said a huge amount of divisive and aggressive statements that you'd hang hilary for but Trump gets a clear hard and firm pass on those
I get that opposing Trump, to a Trump supporter just looks like we're brainwashed by media and shillary and blah blah, but I think there's plenty of reasons based solely on what Trump has done and said in his life to strongly oppose him getting office and due to how strong the cult of personality and cult of misinformation is getting, it's not a nonsense venture to want to call it out.
No one supports Hilary in earnest from what I can tell, except for Proboardslol, no one does. Just everyone knows Trump is a literal disaster waiting to happen. The US can't afford to be set back 20 years by a shyster but people are keen to buy into it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51139200]yeah
because unlike with mccain, romney, G bush, GW bush, or all republican presidents or republican nominees since the likes of Goldwater were nothing compared to how bad Trump would fuck up the government so people who are scared of that are scared enough to say something
you can choose to not to see the scary reality of what Trump might do, which isn't so much sinister as much as it is just going to be harmful enough that we should all want to avoid it at all costs.[/QUOTE]
Too bad some of you are so unrealistically scared at someone who isn't even voting for Trump that even if they post something that questions the bias of what they see you freak out as if that's a hard attack.
Truly just pushing those people away purely cause they aren't 100% same opinion even though they are 80% there
[QUOTE=dannass;51139216]I'm curious who the best presidential candidate would be.
And I'm really curious if you guys would switch out hillary with someone else if you had the chance, If so. Who?
I mean, I already know you would switch trump, so that's not as fun to discuss.[/QUOTE]
no one likes hilary there is just no viable alternative at this stage in the race due to legal limitations that prevent a change of ballot in all together too many states.
Bernie would have been great, but the field of american politicians who I would trust is a fairly small field and I imagine americans feel similarly.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51139217]
No one supports Hilary in earnest from what I can tell, except for Proboardslol, no one does. Just everyone knows Trump is a literal disaster waiting to happen. The US can't afford to be set back 20 years by a shyster but people are keen to buy into it.[/QUOTE]
I support her, if only because I think many of the things people say about her are overexaggerated. She isn't as good a pick as Bernie or Obama (if he could run again) would be.
I think trey gowdy would make a great president. You know, the supreme court judge.
He's got that alpha personality and he's bright as fuck.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51139222]Too bad some of you are so unrealistically scared at someone who isn't even voting for Trump that even if they post something that questions the bias of what they see you freak out as if that's a hard attack.
Truly just pushing those people away purely cause they aren't 100% same opinion even though they are 80% there[/QUOTE]
I can only speak for myself here, but I jump on the chance to question someone who holds that position because its so difficult to pin one down and find out their reasoning for supporting Trump. It's difficult because they seem to be the most easily terrified individuals (which is understandable because their position isn't popular) but I want to reiterate that this is a web forum and nobody can hurt you.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51139222]Too bad some of you are so unrealistically scared at someone who isn't even voting for Trump that even if they post something that questions the bias of what they see you freak out as if that's a hard attack.
Truly just pushing those people away purely cause they aren't 100% same opinion even though they are 80% there[/QUOTE]
Alright so point out the neutral post in this thread that got destroyed so hard
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51139245]Alright so point out the neutral post in this thread that got destroyed so hard[/QUOTE]
Maybe this one?
[QUOTE=dannass;51139080]So you really don't see how obviously hard this article is trying to make trump supporters look like loonies?[/QUOTE]
Three posters responded to it in quick succession so maybe that's it?
[QUOTE=Zyler;51139248]Maybe this one?
Three posters responded to it in quick succession so maybe that's it?[/QUOTE]
Except that was written without the knowledge of the other thread in question.
I just assumed he jumped straight on the hillary train attacking him for having an opinion about the article.
Cause this article is still pretty fucked up.
[QUOTE=dannass;51139257]Except that was written without the knowledge of the other thread in question.
I just assumed he jumped straight on the hillary train attacking him for having an opinion about the article.
Cause this article is still pretty fucked up.[/QUOTE]
Again, without any other way of finding out why people support Trump, these kinds of articles are the only way to really ascertain the reason for it.
I'm open to whatever rationale people want to use to justify something, just not disingenuous-ness or intellectual dishonesty.
[quote]And if that wasn’t enough to prove they were “anti-Bible,” she said, the Clintons went on to support allowing closeted gay people to serve in the military, which she saw as a watershed moment when America began turning away from God.[/quote]
Because this:
[quote]“Who’s that guy?” she said, watching some billionaire talk about prosperity and tolerance. “Prosperity and tolerance? Forget that sh--.”[/quote]
and calling for people to be hanged is very salt of the earth, Jesus-like behavior.
I'm on the fence about sympathizing with her situation. On one hand, she's had a very rough life, is dealing with serious mental issues on top of that, and the current political climate is allowing her to socialize exclusively within a bubble of like-minded people. On the other hand, anxiety doesn't just turn you into a spiteful person calling for the death of others.
Eh, hope the circumstances surrounding her get better at least, and that she gets the help she needs.
[QUOTE=phaedon;51139280]Because this:
and calling for people to be hanged is very salt of the earth, Jesus-like behavior.
I'm on the fence about sympathizing with her situation. On the one hand, she's had a very rough life, is dealing with serious mental issues on top of that, and the current political climate is allowing her to socialize exclusively within a bubble of like-minded people. On the other hand, anxiety doesn't just turn you into a spiteful person calling for the death of others.
Eh, hope the circumstances surrounding her get better at least, and that she gets the help she needs.[/QUOTE]
I obviously don't agree with her, but I can emphasize and understand her situation. She needs to believe this stuff, it's the only thing giving her hope in a world that seems shrouded in darkness and misery (and in her case, that's because it is).
From the Atlantic article I posted earlier, it seems that a lot of the people who support Trump are generally either in these two groups of firstly, salt-of-the-earth types who are living in desecrated towns with crumbling infrastructure and a dying way of life, or secondly, young people on the internet who are severely depressed with the state of the world and read messageboards in order to cope.
In both cases, you've got people who are extremely unhappy and looking for any hope they can find. The mainstream media either ignores them, refuses to talk about the issues they face or actively demonises them. And so along comes The Don, with his successful businessy ways and his clever ways of telling the establishment that have shunned them to shut up, and he addresses them and their problems specifically and tells them he is going to fix everything. They know he is telling the truth because they also know the reason that the establishment has been so unhelpful to them isn't due to systematic complexities, but instead due to the establishment personally hating them. Things aren't complicated, they're actually quite simple, and so the man saying simple and (to them) obvious things is obviously the honest one. While the corrupt politicians and special interests talking about "Prosperity and Balance" are full of shit.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51139289]She needs to believe this stuff, it's the only thing giving her hope in a world that seems shrouded in darkness and misery (and in her case, that's because it is).[/QUOTE]
Well the trouble I have with this is that depression, anxiety, cynicism, and world-weariness are certainly something I can sympathize with, and even excuse some damaging behaviors, but not everyone who experiences these issues becomes hateful, certainly not to her extent.
So while obviously her mental issues and the circumstances that surround her have a significant effect on her behavior, I don't think they come close to completely dismissing her personal agency/responsibility over her actions.
[QUOTE=phaedon;51139318]Well the trouble I have with this is that depression, anxiety, cynicism, and world-weariness are certainly something I can sympathize with, and even excuse some damaging behaviors, but not everyone who experiences these issues becomes hateful, certainly not to her extent.
So while obviously her mental issues and the circumstances that surround her have a significant effect on her behavior, I don't think they come close to completely dismissing her personal agency/responsibility over her actions.[/QUOTE]
She doesn't really have agency/responsibility over her own actions, she's mentally ill. She should be in hospital right now. I'm not saying that's the case with all Trump supporters, but in this case there's a certain point where a person goes beyond the point of reason and becomes delusional and psychotic.
I don't know why the usual suspects are whining about this piece. There is quite a bit of ignorance regarding why people support Trump and this article explains why in a genuine, humanizing way. You never get the impression from the author that Austin is anything more than a hard working woman who feels like government has failed her, someone who has fallen victim to absolutely predatory spin doctors looking to make a buck on someone else's biases or delusions.
At a time where so many people have their head in their hands, asking how anyone can support Trump, stories like these are insightful
I know Trump supporters can get pretty nuts, but the way this was written makes it seem like she's part of some insane cult with serious issues.
Ironic because Trump support anti-vaxxers and sincerely thinks that people with mental disabilities are a problem in the US, which is not true and its pretty much fear-mongering just like his proposal to ban Muslims and suggest mass deportation to all illegal immigrants.
most of his voters are just disgruntled and ignorant working class americans upset with the status quo with "no other options".
Pretending they're insane is only gonna alienate them further
[QUOTE=dannass;51139216]I'm curious who the best presidential candidate would be.
And I'm really curious if you guys would switch out hillary with someone else if you had the chance, If so. Who?
I mean, I already know you would switch trump, so that's not as fun to discuss.[/QUOTE]
russell brand
[QUOTE=Zyler;51138936]Nobody could be that delusional without suffering from extreme anxiety and paranoia.[/QUOTE]
[I]Well...[/I]
I think that everyone [I]is[/I] out to get you. That NSA shit is real, and so are the money-hungry companies that dominate the country. It's not unreasonable to say that the cards are stacked against you and you are only worth as much as people can use you in the eyes of corporations and what not. And these same corporations are the same ones controlling the news. I totally believe that. I've got my immediate circle of friends, but the closer you get to any sort of organizational entity the less important you are and the more people want to take from you.
The problem starts when one moves past mere recognition and moves into an arbitrary defense mode, with ridiculous defense mechanisms that only detract from themselves and others while also making no real change in the world. Without meaning to shoehorn SJW's (really, I'm not), what we can see with the militant ones is that they are often looking for the fight in order to feel like they are contributing to some form of rebellious progress against an enemy. That's not exclusive to those people - that's the same mentality that pervades activist groups like gun rights activists and what not. And it's a spectrum - there's people that will recognize a fact about our society, others that will protest in a reasonable way, and then others that will protest in an aggressive, unhealthy fashion that stops becoming so much about what their protesting as much as something about themselves that they can't work out. When you consider that many of these movements and movements in general end up becoming a source of self-worth and pride for many people, it's not hard to imagine why people get lost.
And, a bigger point to make is that because everything is so fucked up our nation is super vulnerable to people who claim to want to lead us out of this mess. Without meaning to draw a connection between Hitler and Trump, Hitler rose to power because Germany was desperate. Many people in our nation not only feel the alienation and paranoia associated with the NSA and the fear of terrorism generated by the media but also the persecution from the liberals who largely have good stances but bad communication. (Can't tell you how many times I've seen Trump supporters get treated like retards for no other reason than being a Trump supporter.)
I think when people of all political stances realize that Trump and Trump supporters was the fault of the nation as a whole, things will change. The news stations won't admit blame for generating fear and treating Trump like a joke for far too long. Liberals won't admit blame for alienating the right as stupid. The RNC won't admit blame for creating the environment and influencing its voter base to be easily swayed to vote for a person like Trump. What I think of Trump is that he's a clever person making use of the bad situation we all got ourselves into, and the bigger villain in this scenario is the rest of us. He's a business man, and the country is an asset. I don't feel like it's worth blaming him.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51139602]russell brand[/QUOTE]
Keep the trolley problems in the LMAO pics thread please.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;51139938][I]Well...[/I]
I think that everyone [I]is[/I] out to get you. That NSA shit is real, and so are the money-hungry companies that dominate the country. It's not unreasonable to say that the cards are stacked against you and you are only worth as much as people can use you in the eyes of corporations and what not. And these same corporations are the same ones controlling the news. I totally believe that. I've got my immediate circle of friends, but the closer you get to any sort of organizational entity the less important you are and the more people want to take from you.
The problem starts when one moves past mere recognition and moves into an arbitrary defense mode, with ridiculous defense mechanisms that only detract from themselves and others while also making no real change in the world. Without meaning to shoehorn SJW's (really, I'm not), what we can see with the militant ones is that they are often looking for the fight in order to feel like they are contributing to some form of rebellious progress against an enemy. That's not exclusive to those people - that's the same mentality that pervades activist groups like gun rights activists and what not. And it's a spectrum - there's people that will recognize a fact about our society, others that will protest in a reasonable way, and then others that will protest in an aggressive, unhealthy fashion that stops becoming so much about what their protesting as much as something about themselves that they can't work out. When you consider that many of these movements and movements in general end up becoming a source of self-worth and pride for many people, it's not hard to imagine why people get lost.
And, a bigger point to make is that because everything is so fucked up our nation is super vulnerable to people who claim to want to lead us out of this mess. Without meaning to draw a connection between Hitler and Trump, Hitler rose to power because Germany was desperate. Many people in our nation not only feel the alienation and paranoia associated with the NSA and the fear of terrorism generated by the media but also the persecution from the liberals who largely have good stances but bad communication. (Can't tell you how many times I've seen Trump supporters get treated like retards for no other reason than being a Trump supporter.)
I think when people of all political stances realize that Trump and Trump supporters was the fault of the nation as a whole, things will change. The news stations won't admit blame for generating fear and treating Trump like a joke for far too long. Liberals won't admit blame for alienating the right as stupid. The RNC won't admit blame for creating the environment and influencing its voter base to be easily swayed to vote for a person like Trump. What I think of Trump is that he's a clever person making use of the bad situation we all got ourselves into, and the bigger villain in this scenario is the rest of us. He's a business man, and the country is an asset. I don't feel like it's worth blaming him.[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything you've said here.
[QUOTE=Amfleet;51138876]Even in South Carolina these people can seem as distant as a badly compressed screencap of one of their Facebook rants. To think that they're the ones who are by and large driving a campaign that has won a party nomination only makes this year all the more surreal.
Maybe it's less surprising that someone like Melanie can exist given just how much of a fucked up history she has. But every time I drive past one of the back road neighborhoods around here I wonder just how many Melanies are out there.[/QUOTE]
Some towns are bristling with them. Here in New Mexico, there's a small town just south of here that greets you with a giant banner reading "WE DON'T TRUST YOU, HILLARY!".
And here, just down the street from where I live, a remnant of the last Republican vs. Democrat shit-show, is an old, tattered billboard that, back then, encouraged you to vote Republican ("DO IT") because "In November, you decide the nation's fate", but has through the years been modified to simply say "Vote: U CAN DO IT" as they half-assedly covered up "Republican" to spell "U CAN".
Though thankfully (and surprisingly) I think I've only seen enough Trump/Pence signs to count on one hand, but then again I don't think I've seen any for Hillary. (there were a fair amount for Bernie when the primaries were still underway, this town is some sort of grab-bag of people I guess)
[QUOTE=Sableye;51139029]i cant even believe some of the shit i hear from my family about obama, clinton and the cadre of democrat conspiracies.
thank you conservative talk radio, you are a bastion of fuckery[/QUOTE]
My grandmother and great-aunt always seem to have one of two channels on when I visit them: Home and Garden TV, or Fox News.
They claim the latter is for back-ground noise, but they've both admitted to liking Sean Hannity, both think Obama's a Muslim, are more convinced of the Fox-fueled Obama conspiracies than any person using Fox as "background noise" has any business being, etc. They also don't trust Hillary any further than they could throw her, yet neither are going to vote this year. I guess the plus side is neither of them care for Trump, either. (they were more for Carson :unimpressed: )
[QUOTE=Zyler;51139327]She doesn't really have agency/responsibility over her own actions[/QUOTE]
Unless she has other undiagnosed medical issues, which one of her illnesses removes agency?
I work in a gun shop, so it goes without saying a lot of my patrons are conservative. With that being said, a lot of them support trump purely for the fact that they hate Hilary more. Most of them think we're fucked either way, but they'd rather keep their guns and have Trump over Hillary. I think something like that is what most Trump supporters really believe.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51138872]Unemployment, paranoia and potentially more serious mental conditions,.[/QUOTE]
Can you show us a picture of your PH.D in psychology or w/e and explain to us how you came to this conclusion?
Can we not exaggerate people's bad qualities to the point where we affix new ones to them?
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51140989]I work in a gun shop, so it goes without saying a lot of my patrons are conservative. With that being said, a lot of them support trump purely for the fact that they hate Hilary more. Most of them think we're fucked either way, but they'd rather keep their guns and have Trump over Hillary. I think something like that is what most Trump supporters really believe.[/QUOTE]
We are fucked either way, we've got another corrupt obama who will secretly bail out the corporations, further diminsh our rights, and fuck over the middle class. With Trump, at least maybe we'll stop immigrants from further deteriorating our low wage situation(Think of people as a product, and in terms of basic supply and demand, it applies here.) and possibly get tax breaks, but he will also further diminish our rights.
Several people I met who are voting for Trump are doing so because they feel his crazy shit won't actually get passed. They dislike Hillary because they see her as a career politician who has a lot of power in government. In their eyes Hillary is another puppet used by companies, and that she is dangerous because she is fully capable of getting her bills passed. To them they would rather have a president that does nothing than a president that does something.
And to be honest I don't blame people for thinking like this one bit. I've seen friends and neighbors that have been screwed over by government organizations and opposing groups. To them Trump is some sort of olive branch between the parties. His election would mean that the Republicans and Democrats would have to work together to stop him from being an idiot. With Hillary in charge they feel like it's more of the same, with one party taking complete control over everything.
Either way, this election is terrible for everyone. Whoever wins we lose.
[QUOTE=space1;51141232]Can you show us a picture of your PH.D in psychology or w/e and explain to us how you came to this conclusion?
Can we not exaggerate people's bad qualities to the point where we affix new ones to them?
We are fucked either way, we've got another corrupt obama who will secretly bail out the corporations, further diminsh our rights, and fuck over the middle class. With Trump, at least maybe we'll stop immigrants from further deteriorating our low wage situation(Think of people as a product, and in terms of basic supply and demand, it applies here.) and possibly get tax breaks, but he will also further diminish our rights.[/QUOTE]
You don't need a doctorate to tell that this woman has some sort of mental condition. I mean hell it says it in the article that she takes anxiety meds; She wouldn't be taking prescription anxiety pills if she didn't have problems.
A story like this just makes me sad for the people not getting the help they need because most people don't see mental health the same as physical health. Broken leg? They'll fix you right up. Thought processes malfunctioning? *crickets chirping*
What a gross article. Let's exploit an anecdote about a mentally ill disabled woman to generalize Trump voters, because that's what journalism is in 2016 apparently. I can't wait for this dumb fucking election to be over.
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