Multicultural Germany turning against Muslims - Polidicks

[QUOTE]ANGRY claims that Islam is 'dumbing down' Germany have shocked its nation's leaders. The distinctly multicultural German football team that humiliated England in the World Cup was feted at home as the emblem of a dynamic young country enriched by decades of immigration. It was beaten by Spain in the semi-final, however, and the national jubilation inspired by players of Turkish, Tunisian and Ghanaian origin is a distant memory today as Germany is caught up in a wave of anti-immigrant feeling that is sweeping across Europe. Germany's burdensome history was long considered to have immunised it against the populism flourishing among its neighbours: parties of the far right have never broken through the 5 per cent electoral barrier to win representation in parliament, as they have in half the European Union's member states. Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. Related Coverage * Germany celebrates 20 years reunified The Australian, 5 days ago * Wilders rallies Berlin before trial The Australian, 5 days ago * Dutch MP goes on trial for hate speech Adelaide Now, 6 days ago * There are votes to win in the politics of fear The Australian, 23 Sep 2010 * The Left under siege in Europe The Australian, 19 Sep 2010 End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. Now, though, resentments ignored by mainstream politicians are beginning to boil over as Europe's most populous and economically powerful country engages in what by German standards is an unusually fierce debate about the role of Muslims in the country. A recent poll showed that 55 per cent of Germans consider Muslim immigrants a burden who "have cost much more socially and financially than they have contributed economically". When, in an attempt to defuse public anger about immigrants, President Christian Wulff likened the challenge of integrating Germany's 4 million Muslims to that of reunification after the fall of communism and proclaimed that Islam, like Christianity, was now part of Germany, it provoked an immediate backlash. "Mr President, why are you sucking up to Islam?" screamed Bild, the largest-circulation tabloid, which published a poll showing that 66 per cent of the public believe Islam does not belong in Germany. MPs in the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), to which Angela Merkel, the chancellor, and Wulff also belong, seemed eager to distance themselves from him. "Multiculturalism has failed and that's the truth," said one MP, Maria Bohmer. Joachim Herrmann, the conservative Bavarian interior minister, was even more blunt. "There is no reason to integrate Islam into our system of values. Germany does not want to integrate Islam, but to retain its own cultural identity," he said. Emotions have been stirred by reports of German Islamic militants, the children of first-generation immigrants, receiving training as terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Several Germans were reported to have been killed in the mountains of Pakistan last Monday in an attack by drone aircraft operated by the CIA. Another feature of the debate is a book called Germany Does Away With Itself by Thilo Sarrazin, a Social Democratic party politician and former director of the Bundesbank. His provocative thesis is that fast-breeding Muslim immigrants are "dumbing down" Germany and will eventually take over. It has sold 600,000 copies in less than a month. "I don't want the country of my grandchildren and great-grandchildren to be largely Muslim," he wrote. "I don't want Turkish or Arabic to be spoken in large areas, women to wear headscarves and the daily rhythm to be set by the call of the muezzin. If I want to experience that, I can take a holiday in the Orient." Merkel publicly criticised Sarrazin and he was forced to resign from the central bank, but an opinion poll showed that 60 per cent of the public agreed with him and 18 per cent would vote for him if he set up his own party. He has shown no interest in the idea, but it may be only a matter of time before some charismatic figure rides the populist wave into parliament. Rene Stadtkewitz, a Berlin MP who was expelled from the CDU because of extremist views, caused a political earthquake last month by founding Freedom, a party modelled on that of Geert Wilders, the Dutch anti- immigration politician. "We are focused on building up this new party in Berlin," said Stadtkewitz, who wants to ban mosques and cut welfare payments to immigrants. "But if we have success here, I certainly can't rule out extending it nationwide." He is the latest politician to jump on the anti-immigrant bandwagon in Europe, where concerns about migrants have grown on fears of terrorism and the economic crisis. Wilders, who went on trial last week for inciting racial hatred, has emerged as arguably the most powerful politician in Holland. In Austria, the far-right Freedom party sponsored an online video game called Bye Bye Mosque. Players were invited to shoot at muezzins in minarets. Even in Scandinavia, often regarded as a beacon of tolerance, far-right parties are on the march. Norway's anti-immigrant Progress party has become the country's main opposition group and a far-right party in Sweden made history last month by winning seats in parliament for the first time. Mainstream politicians are being forced to take note. In France, Nicolas Sarkozy's rightward lurch and crackdown on immigrants over the summer, when thousands of Roma people were expelled from the country, was his way of flirting with supporters of Marine Le Pen, the popular new figurehead of the country's far right. Merkel angrily denied Sarkozy's claim that she, too, was thinking of rounding up Roma travellers. The suggestion was potentially explosive in a country with Germany's history. Yet the German chancellor is trimming her sails, albeit minimally, to the anti-immigrant wind. Initially she supported Wulff's speech about Islam, but as the magnitude of public anger became clear - and as newspaper editorials accused politicians of having lost touch with reality - she altered her language. At a party conference last Wednesday, Merkel told followers that Islam "in some of its forms" was not compatible with German law. "Forced marriages and honour killings are not part of our basic order," she said. "Tolerance ends there." It went down well. "It was so refreshing to hear clear words from the mouth of our chancellor," a party member told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung paper. "It was a balm for our souls." The Sunday Times[/QUOTE] SAUCE: [url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/germany-turning-against-muslims/story-e6frg6so-1225936757751[/url] Looks like we got fascist germany, once again.

[QUOTE=Communistlover;25327940] Looks like we got fascist germany, once again.[/QUOTE] You can't really draw conclusions like that. This feeling is sweeping through many countries in western europe, and it's rather wrong to call complete germany fascist "once again". [quote]"Forced marriages and honour killings are not part of our basic order," Merkel said. "Tolerance ends there."[/quote] Did you even read the text before calling anyone fascist?

[QUOTE=Elexar;25327962]You can't really draw conclusions like that. This feeling is sweeping through many countries in western europe, and it's rather wrong to call complete germany fascist "once again". Did you even read the text before calling anyone fascist?[/QUOTE] I can tell that we're not gonna be good friends due to you're idiotic behavior.

[QUOTE=Communistlover;25327976]I can tell that we're not gonna be good friends due to you're idiotic behavior.[/QUOTE] I like how you talk about a country you've probably never been to and play the facist card. There are problems, I've seen it on my vacation trip to Berlin. If something is idiotic it is to say that they turn facist again.

says the guy with the name "Communistlover"

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;25328008]says the guy with the name "Communistlover"[/QUOTE] Actually, fascism is anti-communistic :eng101: But I get where you're coming from.

[QUOTE=Elexar;25327962]You can't really draw conclusions like that. This feeling is sweeping through many countries in western europe, and it's rather wrong to call complete germany fascist "once again". Did you even read the text before calling anyone fascist?[/QUOTE] i didn't know muslims were committing forced marriages and honor killings in germany.

We have been very tolerant, maybe too tolerant with these muslims: This is not only happening in germany, france and the netherlands have the same problems. It has gotten to the point that: - A dutch girl can't walk the streets without being called a whore in certain areas. - Muslims (not in general, but a lot) have no respect for our culture and are not adapting (I mean we are infadels anyway, so why should they care). - Gay people are attacked in Amsterdam. - Illegal Sharia law courts (about 55 in UK already), judging by sharia laws (women have less rights then man, etc.) - Honour killings and forced marriages (they get brides from marroco or turkey or whatever suits them, who don't know anything about our culture or anything about our language) - Their kids are not raised properly (6 year olds wandering the streets at 11:00 PM), and as a consequence become thugs (muslim crime rates are 6 times higher than any other minority in holland). - Extreme islamic views being thought in mosques. I can go on if you like, but this is why the general consensus is against them. So think twice before you call a tolerant society like germany fascist. And don't you dare compare them to the nazis, the current generation has nothing to do with them! Idiot.

[quote]We have been very tolerant, maybe too tolerant with these muslims: This is not only happening in germany, france and the netherlands have the same problems. It has gotten to the point that: - A dutch girl can't walk the streets without being called a whore in certain areas. - Muslims (not in general, but a lot) have no respect for our culture and are not adapting (I mean we are infadels anyway, so why should they care). - Gay people are attacked in Amsterdam. - Illegal Sharia law courts (about 55 in UK already), judging by sharia laws (women have less rights then man, etc.) - Honour killings and forced marriages (they get brides from marroco or turkey or whatever suits them, who don't know anything about our culture or anything about our language) - Their kids are not raised properly (6 year olds wandering the streets at 11:00 PM), and as a consequence become thugs (muslim crime rates are 6 times higher than any other minority in holland). - Extreme islamic views being thought in mosques. I can go on if you like, but this is why the general consensus is against them. So think twice before you call a tolerant society like germany fascist. And don't you dare compare them to the nazis, the current generation has nothing to do with them! Idiot. [/quote] :frog: Well 130x dumb... Fuck you. 148x dumb : please stop it.

[QUOTE=Communistlover;25327976]I can tell that we're not gonna be good friends due to you're idiotic behavior.[/QUOTE] I suppose you're not gonna be friends with anyone that tells you you're bad at reading

[QUOTE=prop_dynamic;25328056]We have been very tolerant, maybe too tolerant with these muslims: This is not only happening in germany, france and the netherlands have the same problems. It has gotten to the point that: - A dutch girl can't walk the streets without being called a whore in certain areas. - Muslims (not in general, but a lot) have no respect for our culture and are not adapting (I mean we are infadels anyway, so why should they care). - Gay people are attacked in Amsterdam. - Illegal Sharia law courts (about 55 in UK already), judging by sharia laws (women have less rights then man, etc.) - Honour killings and forced marriages (they get brides from marroco or turkey or whatever suits them, who don't know anything about our culture or anything about our language) - Their kids are not raised properly (6 year olds wandering the streets at 11:00 PM), and as a consequence become thugs (muslim crime rates are 6 times higher than any other minority in holland). - Extreme islamic views being thought in mosques. I can go on if you like, but this is why the general consensus is against them. So think twice before you call a tolerant society like germany fascist. And don't you dare compare them to the nazis, the current generation has nothing to do with them! Idiot.[/QUOTE] Correlation does not imply causation.

woah slow down there lad. Your falling into the trap of blaming one group for all your problems.

[QUOTE=Elexar;25327962] Did you even read the text before calling anyone fascist?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that is uncommon in Germany and sure, no one minds if they get rid of those. However, [quote]His provocative thesis is that fast-breeding Muslim immigrants are "dumbing down" Germany and will eventually take over. It has sold 600,000 copies in less than a month. "I don't want the country of my grandchildren and great-grandchildren to be largely Muslim," he wrote. "I don't want Turkish or Arabic to be spoken in large areas, women to wear headscarves..[/quote] We all know his intentions.

"You must not kill people because of famely houner"--> I am now a facist.

[QUOTE=Scar;25328149]"You must not kill people because of famely houner"--> I am now a facist.[/QUOTE] Quit acting as if he was solely referring to that, read the whole thread/article before you continue making dumb posts.

[QUOTE=starpluck;25328157]Quit acting as if he was solely referring to that, read the whole thread/article before you continue making dumb posts.[/QUOTE] Do you live in Germany? have you seen a kid going to hospial because he called a turk a motherfucker? Have you been to a public school were 2 out of 30 students are German? Have you seen a teacher who can't teach ebcause nobody speaks German? No?

As much as I'd love to believe multiculturism, obviously it has failed. Go cry all you want, but it is that group, no politically correct way to state that. I know it is a small part of the muslim community. And I'm not blaming them for all my problems, just some. As this article stated, more and more people are realizing it now. And Merkel and Sarkozy are acting upon that.

[QUOTE=starpluck;25328107]Correlation does not imply causation.[/QUOTE] There is no implied causation or even correlation in that post, it's a list of acts which in themselves are not good. Try and lay dispute to his claims if you want but if you think it's simply correlation that Sharia courts are being set up where Muslims are then you have no idea. [QUOTE=starpluck;25328134]I'm pretty sure that is uncommon in Germany and sure, no one minds if they get rid of those. However, We all know his intentions.[/QUOTE] He wishes for his childrens culture to be similar to his own. That is a wish shared by fucking everyone. If you're going to call everyone who exhibits some attributes of racism Nazis then everyone in the world is a Nazi.

We should send them back like France did with the gypsis.

Live in europe for 3 years, realize muslims must go.

[QUOTE=prop_dynamic;25328192]As much as I'd love to believe multiculturism, obviously it has failed. Go cry all you want, but it is that group, no politically correct way to state that. I know it is a small part of the muslim community. And I'm not blaming them for all my problems, just some. As this article stated, more and more people are realizing it now. And Merkel and Sarkozy are acting upon that.[/QUOTE] Multiculturism cannot survive in the long run, they have to integrate together to work. If they are completely incompatible, then conflict is inevitable and this kind of situation will occur. If these guys are correct in their asumption that they are incompatible, either german or Muslim culture will have to be subverted or changed to fit. It's hoped that given enough time, they will grow closer to each other in the same manor that most multicultural societies do but if too much conflict occurs and this kind of thing grows unchecked, you know what will happen.

Cruel as it may sound, I'd rather have the Dutch government to start limiting the amount of Islamic immigrations and mosques being built, so I can't say I'm bothered by our German neighbors doing something this. I'm all in for equal human rights, but as silly as it may sound, to me it seems to look like they're trying to take over. There's a reason why different cultures have different countries tied to them. So I'm going with prop_dynamic on this.

[QUOTE=prop_dynamic;25328056]We have been very tolerant, maybe too tolerant with these muslims: This is not only happening in germany, france and the netherlands have the same problems. It has gotten to the point that: - A dutch girl can't walk the streets without being called a whore in certain areas. - Muslims (not in general, but a lot) have no respect for our culture and are not adapting (I mean we are infadels anyway, so why should they care). - Gay people are attacked in Amsterdam. - Illegal Sharia law courts (about 55 in UK already), judging by sharia laws (women have less rights then man, etc.) - Honour killings and forced marriages (they get brides from marroco or turkey or whatever suits them, who don't know anything about our culture or anything about our language) - Their kids are not raised properly (6 year olds wandering the streets at 11:00 PM), and as a consequence become thugs (muslim crime rates are 6 times higher than any other minority in holland). - Extreme islamic views being thought in mosques. I can go on if you like, but this is why the general consensus is against them. So think twice before you call a tolerant society like germany fascist. And don't you dare compare them to the nazis, the current generation has nothing to do with them! Idiot.[/QUOTE] This man has said what alot of people think but are too scared to post for fear of a racism ban or dumb spam. Where I live (in england) there are almost more muslims than non-muslims and their area of town is a major no go.

Muslims are today's Jews.

You know, they should intigrate, not we. Not "Hurr you ar having a traditonal festival on some religious day-->Cancell it our u r racist llol"

[QUOTE=Doctor_Communism;25328280]Muslims are today's Jews.[/QUOTE] Jews were imported for use in banks and financial systems and were violently subverted for centuries. Muslims immigrate to other countries and many make a nuisance of themselves. Jews sat by passively while the Nazis preached antisemitism. Muslims have riots over any word against them. I don't see much of a similarity.

[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;25328275]This man has said what alot of people think but are too scared to post for fear of a racism ban or dumb spam. Where I live (in england) there are almost more muslims than non-muslims and their area of town is a major no go.[/QUOTE] Geert Wilders, the man that speaks up what a lot of people think in the Netherlands, actually has to wear a bulletproof vest during debates and casual walks. It's fucked up.

Bad Muslims that your country can't integrate into society =/= Islam is a bad religion There are lots of countries that have taken pretty good care of Muslims and have barely any immigrant problems.

[QUOTE=prop_dynamic;25328192]As much as I'd love to believe multiculturism, obviously it has failed. Go cry all you want, but it is that group, no politically correct way to state that. I know it is a small part of the muslim community. And I'm not blaming them for all my problems, just some. As this article stated, more and more people are realizing it now. And Merkel and Sarkozy are acting upon that.[/QUOTE] I have to clarify my own statement, I support multiculturalism. I know that for example chinese and polish immigrants work harder than most dutch people in the Netherlands. Even most muslims work that hard. It is just this small group that fucks everything up and I think it is time we showed them the door. We should not feel sorry for them or give them any more attention, that is exactly what they want: a big media circus. They are a blight on our society.

Its not islam that is the problem. Its raging lunatics pretending to believe that they are superior.