[QUOTE=Devodiere;25415567]Nope.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmaN7f3gKs[/url]
That guy wasn't using it as freedom of speech, he was just being stupid. He offended some people and was mildly punished but he got nothing really.
Something you don't understand is the difference between using it with purpose and using it randomly. If you want to say something and need to use offensive language to do it, it's still protected. If you want to say something offensive for no reason, then it's just stupid. The government cannot stop you from saying something if you have a reason for saying it, anything else is subjective.
[editline]15th October 2010[/editline]
Hell, the news report was allowed to say nigger tons of times because they had a reason for using it. It was used with reason so no-one cares.[/QUOTE]
Ok look it's really simple.
You ask yourself why does everyone hate the western countries? Well, most likely it is cause they do not respect the culture and laws of another country. Honestly this is not about Morale reason the law is their and if you are in a Muslim Country abide by the shirah state laws, and if you do not like it than get out! Honestly I stay here I pay my taxes that is much higher than zakat but I am not getting mad.I let the FBI search my house if they come here what ever they want to do.
Because I respect the laws of another country. You will not get respect till you respect other, and gert williams is most likely using Islam as a tool to win a election smart man I must say. Using the fear and hatred of other people to gain victory.
Yusuf you do know that folk here are bitching about the muslims that DON'T abide by the laws of a country right?
Like the muslims who set up illegal fucking sharia councils and shit.
Why are we having a 4 page "discussion" with a mentally retarded brainwashed dolt?
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25416197]Ok look it's really simple.
You ask yourself why does everyone hate the western countries? [/QUOTE]
Nobody hates the western countries. It is the fact that Muslims don't want to obey the laws, even though they know they can get deported. It is people like YOU we want out of Europe. Those people think that religion is more important that a countries law. Well, would you like someone force-feeding you pork? Or ripping off your relatives burka? I think not. As many religions say, do to others as you would like others to do to you. You break our laws? We break yours. As easy as that.
[QUOTE=Maximo13;25416353]Nobody hates the western countries. It is the fact that Muslims don't want to obey the laws, even though they know they can get deported. It is people like YOU we want out of Europe. Those people think that religion is more important that a countries law. Well, would you like someone force-feeding you pork? Or ripping off your relatives burka? I think not. As many religions say, do to others as you would like others to do to you. You break our laws? We break yours. As easy as that.[/QUOTE]
can we deport any type of hardcore theist then?
[QUOTE=Maximo13;25416353]Nobody hates the western countries. It is the fact that Muslims don't want to obey the laws, even though they know they can get deported. It is people like YOU we want out of Europe. Those people think that religion is more important that a countries law[/QUOTE].
Actually there are countries that hate the western countries, (China and Russia for example), but i have to admit there are muslims over in the west who think they can topple a non-muslim government and force all non muslims to beleive in islam, i agree with the deportation of these people, even islam supports my opinion, because if a Muslim wants to move to non muslim country they should respect there laws because otherwise it would cause chaos, and god punishes those who cause chaos on the earth in islam.
But punishing all muslims for the crimes of a minorty or causing prejeduce against them just isint fair, because that will just add to the pressure and cause fitna (a division of people in a nation) and therefore cause unrest among muslims and non-muslims in these countries, and that would just make the problem worse.
[editline]15th October 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Devodiere;25415567]Nope.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmaN7f3gKs[/url]
That guy wasn't using it as freedom of speech, he was just being stupid. He offended some people and was mildly punished but he got nothing really.
Something you don't understand is the difference between using it with purpose and using it randomly. If you want to say something and need to use offensive language to do it, it's still protected. If you want to say something offensive for no reason, then it's just stupid. The government cannot stop you from saying something if you have a reason for saying it, anything else is subjective.[/QUOTE]
Ok then, white supremacists use the N word when it comes to referring to black people, but whenever they say the N word, they claim it is freedom of expression, so you support white supremacists using the N word by what you are saying?
[editline]15th October 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=bravehat;25415533]You're free to say it until directed at a person dumbass.[/QUOTE]
Oh really and the N word is mostly directed to who?
[QUOTE=Maximo13;25416353]Nobody hates the western countries. It is the fact that Muslims don't want to obey the laws, even though they know they can get deported. It is people like YOU we want out of Europe. Those people think that religion is more important that a countries law. Well, would you like someone force-feeding you pork? Or ripping off your relatives burka? I think not. As many religions say, do to others as you would like others to do to you. You break our laws? We break yours. As easy as that.[/QUOTE]
Well, of course I think people should obey the countries Law, but do not engage in bad things like interest. I agree with you it would suck if we were forced to do such things.
[QUOTE=starpluck;25414874]Try reading further into the thread ([URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?1012063-Multicultural-Germany-turning-against-Muslims&p=25335271&viewfull=1#post25335271"]Here's a hint[/URL]) before continuing to make stupid ass comments. Reminds me when you PM'd me begging for a debate about something about Israel. I gave you a reply. Unable to counter it with any logic, you posted it in the labs in a pathetic attempt to "troll" me. Only to get banned.[/QUOTE]
you mean the one where all you did was say "FUCK YOU" again and again and got a few friends to rate me dumb when I posted it?
good times
[QUOTE=cccritical;25422813]you mean the one where all you did was say "FUCK YOU" again and again and got a few friends to rate me dumb when I posted it?
good times[/QUOTE]
I like to see this so called event happening.
Pics or no proof :).
I mean how can you take a guy with a heavy avatar and with deal with it sun glasses srsly.
But i have to admit though from the looks of things most of the muslims in europe just arent behaving themselves, but that dosent give people the permission to offend us or to cause prejeduce against law abiding muslims in europe, because this will just convince muslim youth over there to think the radicals are right and that the west is at war with islam, therefore just adding to radical muslim group's very small numbers. (Less than 10,000)
Dont you see? Radical msulims want the west to react this way by insulting islam and muslims and insulting mohammed so then they can tell us they were right from the start and start a "Holy war" against all non muslims, so, radical muslims are basically trolls.
So the best rememdy is:
[img]http://www.ipprospective.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/troll-web.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25422965]I like to see this so called event happening.
Pics or no proof :).
I mean how can you take a guy with a heavy avatar and with deal with it sun glasses srsly.[/QUOTE]
it was a thread I made on FPLabs, so guess what
and if you absolutely refuse to believe the PM system exists until I show you pictures, then it must not have happened at all and starpoo was making it up in the first place, right?
or you could just, you know, not butt in
[QUOTE=Random94;25423052] Radical msulims want the west to react this way by insulting islam and muslims and insulting mohammed so then they can tell us they were right from the start and start a "Holy war" against all non muslims[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, we have so much to fear from medieval minded towel headed pot bellied cowards in open war.
[QUOTE=VintageDinger;25426537]Oh yes, we have so much to fear from medieval minded towel headed pot bellied cowards in open war.[/QUOTE]
Ok this is just getting a bit silly.
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25427293]Ok this is just getting a bit silly.[/QUOTE]
It's not silly. Even the Czech Republic could wreck your towelhead armies.
[QUOTE=Random94;25422012]Ok then, white supremacists use the N word when it comes to referring to black people, but whenever they say the N word, they claim it is freedom of expression, so you support white supremacists using the N word by what you are saying?[/QUOTE]
We've already covered this. If someone is using it a way to intentionaly offend and/or threaten someone and with no political motive behind it, it's considered hate speech. Most of the time even that is not illegal and is just heavily frowned upon. Unless they are making serious threats and consistently doing it, they can't be convicted just on what they say. They have to actually back it up with some proof if they want to claim it's freedom of expression.
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25427293]Ok this is just getting a bit silly.[/QUOTE]
He's right though. The world Muslim population is close to the Christian population but Christians mostly live in far more militarily advanced countries. The top military powers in the Muslim world are Indonesia, Iran and Turkey. The top military powers in the Christian world are America, Russia and the UK. Starting a Holy war would guarantee Islams own destruction as the wrath of the entire western world would be unleashed and even secular states would feel threatened and join up. There is literally no chance of winning in open war so don't even try to act like you're waiting for it to happen.
Some Good News! Time To Wake Up Europe! Fight [B] Facist Islam [/b]
Immigration of third world immigrants, mostly muslim populations has gone too far and needs to stop [b]Worldwide[/b] not just in europe because they are starting to pickup a fair bit in the states too.
[QUOTE=Arrows;25429666]Some Good News! Time To Wake Up Europe! Fight [B] Facist Islam [/b]
Immigration of third world immigrants, mostly muslim populations has gone too far and needs to stop [b]Worldwide[/b] not just in europe because they are starting to pickup a fair bit in the states too.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Islam needs to be wiped out. I think extremist muslims need their radical teachings and culture dismantled, not that we ought to kill all of them or lock them up or anything like that. If they knew right from wrong we wouldn't be in this shit in the first place and I reserve the death penalty judgement for seriously deep shit like full-blown terrorism (or rape of children or mass murder), not "this guy thinks this way."
[QUOTE=cccritical;25422813]you mean the one where all you did was say "FUCK YOU" again and again and got a few friends to rate me dumb when I posted it?
good times[/QUOTE]
Errr no...
The fact you thought I got people to rate you dumb is laughable. You were genuinely being a dumbass by trying to counter a logical argument about the UN and the Jews/Israel by posting a thread about it so you got rated accordingly.
[editline]16th October 2010[/editline]
"O no I got rated dumb for being a dumbass! Wait I can brush it off by saying it was Starpluck's friends! "
Like seriously is that what you actually thought.
[QUOTE=VintageDinger;25427534]It's not silly. Even the Czech Republic could wreck your towelhead armies.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you've been following the news lately but most arab countries have the latest and the best American weapons/equipments.
[QUOTE=VintageDinger;25427534]It's not silly. Even the Czech Republic could wreck your towelhead armies.[/QUOTE]
I guess you could say that they'd Czech the Muslim advance.
[QUOTE=aydin690;25434718]I don't know if you've been following the news lately but most arab countries have the latest and the best American weapons/equipments.[/QUOTE]
We don't watch FOX news here in Europe.
[QUOTE=VintageDinger;25427534]It's not silly. Even the Czech Republic could wreck your towelhead armies.[/QUOTE]
Screw you eurofag, we can take over europe anytime and we have the guns, the missles, the planes and the men to do it.
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/RSAFAH-64A.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/M1A1_Abrams_Tank_in_Camp_Fallujah.JPEG[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/HIMARS_DA-SD-07-43938.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Challenger_1_suspension.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Saudi_Arabian_Humvee.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Saudi_UH-60_Desert_Storm.JPEG[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/M109A5_in_repair.JPG[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Radpanzer_Pandur_Austria_3.JPG[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_xf0dUu_4BTU/SZHHCwe1tII/AAAAAAAAAYU/Dmcg4GCsUX0/Fahd-240-30.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/RSAFF15S.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/DF-ST-92-07383-C.jpg[/img_thumb]
Convinced yet?
Oh and also we have missiles with the capability of carrying nuclear warheads.
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Dongfeng_2_(CSS-1).jpg[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=Random94;25435669]Screw you eurofag, we can take over europe anytime and we have the guns, the missles, the planes and the men to do it.
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/RSAFAH-64A.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/M1A1_Abrams_Tank_in_Camp_Fallujah.JPEG[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/HIMARS_DA-SD-07-43938.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Challenger_1_suspension.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Saudi_Arabian_Humvee.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Saudi_UH-60_Desert_Storm.JPEG[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/M109A5_in_repair.JPG[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Radpanzer_Pandur_Austria_3.JPG[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_xf0dUu_4BTU/SZHHCwe1tII/AAAAAAAAAYU/Dmcg4GCsUX0/Fahd-240-30.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/RSAFF15S.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/DF-ST-92-07383-C.jpg[/img_thumb]
Convinced yet?[/QUOTE]
Holy mother of Korean freedom,img_thumb that
[editline]16th October 2010[/editline]
Ok guys,just ignore Yusuf,he is fucking trolling us just report him
[QUOTE=Random94;25435669]Screw you eurofag, we can take over europe anytime and we have the guns, the missles, the planes and the men to do it.
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Radpanzer_Pandur_Austria_3.JPG[/img_thumb]
[/quote]
Thats an Austrian APC
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandur_I[/url]
:downs:
[QUOTE=Kim_Jong_il;25435859]Holy mother of Korean freedom,img_thumb that[/QUOTE]
Srry about that.
[QUOTE=Random94;25435914]Srry about that.[/QUOTE]
no probs :brofist:
[QUOTE=lukepker;25435896]Thats an Austrian APC
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandur_I[/url]
:downs:[/QUOTE]
Well i couldnt find a picture of an arab army using it, so i took it from wikipedia, because it is in their military inventory. Also yes i know that, do you know about something called importing?
[QUOTE=Random94;25435937]Well i couldnt find a picture of an arab army using it, so i took it from wikipedia, because it is in their military inventory. Also yes i know that, do you know about something called importing?[/QUOTE]
Right, sure whatever.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;25427569]We've already covered this. If someone is using it a way to intentionaly offend and/or threaten someone and with no political motive behind it, it's considered hate speech. Most of the time even that is not illegal and is just heavily frowned upon. Unless they are making serious threats and consistently doing it, they can't be convicted just on what they say. They have to actually back it up with some proof if they want to claim it's freedom of expression.[/QUOTE]
Ok then how about this idiot, you support what he is saying?
[img]http://www.topnews.in/files/Geert-Wilders1.jpg[/img]
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