9-year-old girl accidentally shoots dead a gun instructor. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=cardfan212;45811308]There's nothing wrong with teaching a 9-year-old how to handle a firearm as long as they are mature and responsible enough for it. That said, a 9-year-old should be started on a .22 rifle, not a full-auto Uzi.[/QUOTE] i'd argue that very few people in the world are mature and responsible enough for a firearm, especially not a child. feel free to teach kids about how dangerous and serious firearms are, that's a good idea. but it's crazy to let them use one.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45811741]By her age, I was shooting 20 gauge shotguns, my dad's 30-30 lever action, and .22 rifles were like BB guns. To say a 9 year old can't handle the weapon is false. However, they haven't acquired the necessary knowledge to be able to EFFECTIVELY handle things like machine pistols. My question is why did he load the magazine with so many bullets? It should have been a gradual system: 1 bullet, then two, then three, etc.... You have to ease into things like that.[/QUOTE] she can handle 1 bullet, SURELY she can handle 30! :downs: is their logic

[QUOTE=EliteSuperS;45812083]The police released this video of the girl shooting, but the instructor getting shot was edited out. [video=youtube;cfMzK7QwfrU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfMzK7QwfrU[/video][/QUOTE] The kid is going to have some trauma about that, thinking that she is the reason why that man died. Even though it was a result of a poor planning.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45812153]The concept of not giving a child a real gun containing live ammo is so alien to me. Many a day my father would bring me out back and we'd shoot for hours, perfecting technique and just in general bonding as father and son. Done correctly, practicing marksmanship is wonderful for creating confidence, and a lasting bond between child and parent.[/QUOTE] there is nothing quite like stalking deer with one though then eating it tasty

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[QUOTE=cardfan212;45811308]There's nothing wrong with teaching a 9-year-old how to handle a firearm as long as they are mature and responsible enough for it. That said, a 9-year-old should be started on a .22 rifle, not a full-auto Uzi.[/QUOTE] Frankly a 9-year old should really just be handling a bb gun in my opinion, my parents had me using airguns and bb guns until I was about 12-14 before I used a .22. It still instilled a concept of safety, but I wasn't in any real danger.

I mean, it's terrible for both parties, but that's what happens when you hand a fully automatic weapon to a nine year old and expect them to be able to handle it properly and in a safe manner. :v:

I understand wanting to teach a kid how to shoot. Hell I have already taught my niece and nephew how to shoot a BB gun. But a fucking Maccy at full-auto is not something you just give to a child without putting the blunt memo that, "Shit, we have a hard time controlling this! Maybe we should support her arms from behind?" or giving them something like a pellet rifle or .22LR to start off with.

Shouldnt let anyone prebuscent use guns, wait until they are mature enough to handle one.

Growing up in Tennessee, I learned how to shoot fairly early. 12-13, I guess. I started on 9mm pistols, my dad and I went to an indoor range a couple of times. Eventually, I moved up to a .22LR, and then an AR-15. I think I fired an MP5 once, there was a guy that used to frequent the range that had one. (Before I used any of that, I had a really weak airsoft gun, and then a Daisy pellet gun.) Granted, only one of those was full-auto, because full auto is stupid in most situations. I can barely keep the barrel down when I'm burst-firing the AR-15, and that has all kinds of recoil-absorbing tech in it. The MP5 was ridiculous in automatic mode, there's really no reason to have that sort of functionality unless you enjoy having guns try to rip themselves out of your hands. I think firing an MP5 in full auto was the only time I didn't feel like I was in control of the thing, and that's a very scary feeling. As for why the guy gave a nine year old girl one of the heaviest-recoiling machine pistols... Who knows. I feel sorry for her, though. That's something she won't be able to forget. [editline]27th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45812775]Shouldnt let anyone prebuscent use guns, wait until they are mature enough to handle one.[/QUOTE] It's definitely important to have the upper body strength to manage any kick on the gun, if only for safety reasons. I've had revolvers try to jump out of my hands before.

As someone who went through bootcamp I can tell you age isn't a deciding factor when it comes to handling a firearm, I have seen people over 20 get tackled because they didn't quite get the concept of keeping the barrel down range at all times. Guns are no different than any other tool, knowledge and understanding will make it safer, not the years under your belt. For this case I really hope the girl realizes it's not her fault. This accident's accountability falls on the supervisors and the instructor himself. This could've been simply been prevented by the instructor keeping his hands on the weapon with the girl.

What a moron, everybody knows that if you have to teach a child to shoot an automatic, you [I]always[/I] go for an AK! /sarcasm Everyone should almost always start with a .22, just to have more focus on the sights and basic target acquisition, instead of just handling the recoil of the gun.

wow it's almost like children shouldn't handle automatic weapons.

Mommy wow, I'm a big kid now. Alternatively, "What would you do for a Klondike Bar fail"

I was at this range and met this guy at the counter, but another dude was my instructor. Kinda weird to know him and then see him be dead.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45812153]The concept of not giving a child a real gun containing live ammo is so alien to me. Many a day my father would bring me out back and we'd shoot for hours, perfecting technique and just in general bonding as father and son. Done correctly, practicing marksmanship is wonderful for creating confidence, and a lasting bond between child and parent.[/QUOTE] At what age did you start shooting with your dad?

Even up here in Canada I was shooting pellet guns and .22's at a young age. Small calibre rifles are as safe as it gets. Single action and easy to grip even if you're small and frail. Pretty much impossible to hurt someone unless you're screwing around. An uzi is just retarded though. She had probably the limpest imaginable grip for starters, and obviously didn't expect the muzzle to lift like that. Fucking stupid idea.

That muzzle climb at the end of the video with the instructor's head being 10 inches away from the barrel. Poor kid, that sure wasn't a pretty sight.

I know in America this is called gun culture. I just call it stupidity though. I wouldn't let a 9 year old drive a high powered car or bike, because I'm into cars. Why the hell would you give a fully automatic submachinegun to a child. She's the victim in this. She'll have to live with what she saw for the rest of her life, even though it was the responsibility of the elders around her to make the judgement that such a gun did not belong in her hands.

[QUOTE=spiritlol;45812863]As someone who went through bootcamp I can tell you age isn't a deciding factor when it comes to handling a firearm, I have seen people over 20 get tackled because they didn't quite get the concept of keeping the barrel down range at all times. Guns are no different than any other tool, knowledge and understanding will make it safer, not the years under your belt.[/QUOTE]Never saw anyone get tacked for being a pillock with a firearm when I did national service, but I did see my CO carrying a pistol for the first time ever while watching over us at the firing range once, and later found out some absolute moron made a threat about shooting everyone.

[QUOTE=spiritlol;45812863]As someone who went through bootcamp I can tell you age isn't a deciding factor when it comes to handling a firearm, I have seen people over 20 get tackled because they didn't quite get the concept of keeping the barrel down range at all times. Guns are no different than any other tool, knowledge and understanding will make it safer, not the years under your belt. For this case I really hope the girl realizes it's not her fault. This accident's accountability falls on the supervisors and the instructor himself. This could've been simply been prevented by the instructor keeping his hands on the weapon with the girl.[/QUOTE] guns aren't the same as any other tool. you can't shoot a projectile from a hammer, saws have no kickback, etc. there are tools that are very dangerous and can mangle you, and they are used by only the most qualified and with the utmost caution. and most of those aren't portable. and none of those tools were designed to kill people, nor are they as good at it as guns are. calling a gun 'just a tool' is a gross oversimplification.

I'll risk a few dumbs, but an idiot instructor like that was a threat to everyone there and it's good that his stupidity didn't cost other peoples lives. That kid is lucky to be alive.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;45813618]I know in America this is called gun culture. I just call it stupidity though. I wouldn't let a 9 year old drive a high powered car or bike, because I'm into cars. Why the hell would you give a fully automatic submachinegun to a child. She's the victim in this. She'll have to live with what she saw for the rest of her life, even though it was the responsibility of the elders around her to make the judgement that such a gun did not belong in her hands.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's a thing exclusive to america. Both driving a car and shooting a gun can be taught from a young age as long as you are careful and consider the risks. My grandfather taught a lot of my family how to drive from letting them steer on his lap, on roads with few cars. Same for hunting rifles, as he was a hunter. He always taught proper gun discipline, talked about the dangers so nobody ever got hurt. In this case it's definitely the elder's fault and I feel incredibly bad for the girl as she probably got scarred for life because of the instructor being either too dumb to consider the recoil, assuming that she would let go of the trigger etc. or [del]too negligent for possibly considering it wasn't set to full auto.[/del] EDIT: Nevermind the last bit, I watched the video.

Are you fucking serious? its a fucking automatic UZI, how can ANYBODY at age 9 and as a girl handle a gun like that?

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;45813994]Are you fucking serious? its a fucking automatic UZI, how can ANYBODY at age 9 and as a girl handle a gun like that?[/QUOTE] I know adults who I wouldn't give a full auto submachine gun with a clear conscience....

God dammit I wanted to post the Simpsons clip where Lisa fires a gun and the recoil sends her flying. Pretty sure it was a Uzi too.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;45811346]I was more of an MP5 guy.[/QUOTE] I was into the Blyskawica before it was cool.

Gun culture is just very nauseating and pointless to me Sorry

I remember when I was young, I grew up in a fairly gun orientated family since both my brother and my dad regularly shoot for game. I think the first time I fired a weapon was when I was 8 and it was an Over and under. Cant remember exactly model it was though I dont see why they gave a 9 year old a uzi though, if your trying to teach your child how to shoot then give her a small rifle or something, at least then one of her parants can help her operate it and support her and everything...

I know nothing about guns and I've never even shot one but even I would have guessed the recoil on any automatic gun is probably stronger than a little kid