9-year-old girl accidentally shoots dead a gun instructor. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=IceyMalone;45814070]Gun culture is just very nauseating and pointless to me Sorry[/QUOTE] It honestly is tbh I know someone's going to cry "thats caus ur just british and u never touch gun :^)" but I seriously don't understand why people think guns are a fun-for-all-the-family thing.

because guns are fun the instructor was a jackass for thinking a 9 year old could handle firing a fucking Uzi

A shame the instructor died but he was an idiot Ignoring the fact that he let a 9 year old shoot an Uzi full-auto in the first place, she didn't have proper stance, didn't have proper grip on the gun, and she shot it semi-auto ONCE before he switched it to full auto

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45812495]you just showed how incredibly ignorant (and arrogant) you are of a country containing more than 300 million people so nice job on that one ace[/QUOTE] You know I live here, right? I'm not making fun of all Americans, I'm making fun of the ones who are gun crazy and think that it's a good idea to give a 9 year old girl a goddamn uzi. The types who think bringing assault rifles to McDonald's to show how much they love guns, like those open carry demonstrators from a few months back. The type who argue that school shootings wouldn't happen if everyone had a gun.

Oh yeah and even adults tap the trigger at full-auto, but he let her run wild with absolutely no instruction If you're a grown-ass man who doesn't understand how dangerous guns are, you shouldn't be an instructor

[QUOTE=spiritlol;45812863]As someone who went through bootcamp I can tell you age isn't a deciding factor when it comes to handling a firearm, I have seen people over 20 get tackled because they didn't quite get the concept of keeping the barrel down range at all times. Guns are no different than any other tool, knowledge and understanding will make it safer, not the years under your belt. [/QUOTE] Me too. In the firing range, the first time they gave us Uzis in fact. It went something like: Instructor: "...and never ever pull the trigger until I say "fire"!" Some guy, hearing "fire!": BLAM! Instructor: "Some guy!" Guy: Hearing his name, swivels around with the Uzi leveled at the instructor and finger still on the trigger. Instructor and gun range crew leap on the guy and tackle him to the floor. Fun times. Anyway, military Uzis have a safety button on the back of the grip. If you don't press it REALLY HARD with your thumb while pulling the trigger the gun won't fire. We were told it was added because the original Uzi was so unreliable it would jam in full auto and shoot the entire clip if hit hard enough while cocked. Supposedly soldiers would clear rooms by just throwing it in and letting it spin around shooting. So in theory the gun should have stopped shooting the moment it flew out of the girl's hand. In fact, it should have been really hard for her to even press the grip safety hard enough to shoot. Maybe civilian variants are different?

What the hell guys, my dad teached me, how to use M202 FLASH, when I was 5 :v:

Well, he gave a 9 year old a uzi and now he's fucking dead. Stupidity in the works the way it has always been.

[QUOTE=EliteSuperS;45812083]The police released this video of the girl shooting, but the instructor getting shot was edited out. [video=youtube;cfMzK7QwfrU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfMzK7QwfrU[/video][/QUOTE] Holy fuck, my blood ran cold at the end. I expected the video to end not to just black out the very frame before his body drops to the ground with the audio still running. Is that really necissary? In cinnematic terms, this kind of editing FUCKING INCREASES the emotional impact of the footage. This is not an action movie, whoever edited this is a fuckwit. Censoreship of death and gore footage is there to protect from psychological trauma, not increase the potential

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45815557] Anyway, military Uzis have a safety button on the back of the grip. If you don't press it REALLY HARD with your thumb while pulling the trigger the gun won't fire. We were told it was added because the original Uzi was so unreliable it would jam in full auto and shoot the entire clip if hit hard enough while cocked. Supposedly soldiers would clear rooms by just throwing it in and letting it spin around shooting. So in theory the gun should have stopped shooting the moment it flew out of the girl's hand. In fact, it should have been really hard for her to even press the grip safety hard enough to shoot. Maybe civilian variants are different?[/QUOTE] By the sound of it the one she had did have the grip safety, the instructor mentions needing to keep something "held in, otherwise the gun won't fire", and to my knowledge the majority of Uzi variants do have that safety (only ones I know that don't have it standard are the Japanese M-9 and the Ruger MP9), although it might not have been as hard to deactivate (it looked like she had the mini version).

Ok, so we shelter the kid from guns. What if the kid comes across a gun with no parental supervision? While I don't think 9 year olds are ready to shoot fully automatic guns yet, to not teach them anything about guns is just asking for accidents.

[QUOTE=Megadave;45816332]Ok, so we shelter the kid from guns. What if the kid comes across a gun with no parental supervision? While I don't think 9 year olds are ready to shoot fully automatic guns yet, to not teach them anything about guns is just asking for accidents.[/QUOTE] Why would a kid come across an unsecured gun randomly? Responsible gun owners aren't supposed to leave their weapon lying around like that.

Just so you guys know the place where this all happened was fucking called "bullets and burgers" Seriously America?

[QUOTE=Megadave;45816332]Ok, so we shelter the kid from guns. What if the kid comes across a gun with no parental supervision? While I don't think 9 year olds are ready to shoot fully automatic guns yet, to not teach them anything about guns is just asking for accidents.[/QUOTE] The only thing a 9 year old needs to know about guns is don't touch it, don't look at it and don't stay anywhere near it If you want to teach your kid how to shoot then go ahead but don't give me any of that "kids need to know how to handle firearms" shit

Well I sympathize more for the girl having to go through that than the instructor. After watching that video you saw how much the recoil semi had, why would you hover over the girl's shoulder like that. I mean honestly I thought you're always supposed to stand behind the person shooting. Even then you could have reinforced the girls arm a little.

[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;45816422]The only thing a 9 year old needs to know about guns is don't touch it, don't look at it and don't stay anywhere near it If you want to teach your kid how to shoot then go ahead but don't give me any of that "kids need to know how to handle firearms" shit[/QUOTE] If you read my post, I didn't say that kids should learn to fire guns, I said they need to be taught to respect guns. That doesn't necessarily mean shoot them, just to realize that they aren't toys. I guess if there is one thing this thread is good for, is to prove that video games doesn't desensitize gamers.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45812153]The concept of not giving a child a real gun containing live ammo is so alien to me. Many a day my father would bring me out back and we'd shoot for hours, perfecting technique and just in general bonding as father and son. Done correctly, practicing marksmanship is wonderful for creating confidence, and a lasting bond between child and parent.[/QUOTE] Nah, I can think of many ways to bond with parent and child that does not involve shooting. Teaching young kids as 9 to shoot guns is just stupid.

[QUOTE=cardfan212;45811308]There's nothing wrong with teaching a 9-year-old how to handle a firearm as long as they are mature and responsible enough for it.[/QUOTE] Maturity and resonsibility wasn't a lacking factor here though and still someone died. So this case is being looked at from the wrong angle. I don't see the point AT ALL to teach a child how to handle an Uzi in the first place.

Guns aren't toys.

[QUOTE=BeAR!);45816778]As if anyone can try justifying allowing a nine year old to handle a firearm no matter how much of a gun nut spastic you are[/QUOTE] I don't see much of an issue with it. I was handling airguns and small caliber firearms pretty well by the time I was 9. That doesn't make it right to give a kid a submachine gun, but children learning how to use firearms isn't all bad.

[QUOTE=BeAR!);45816778]As if anyone can try justifying allowing a nine year old to handle a firearm no matter how much of a gun nut spastic you are[/QUOTE] If practiced properly it's a perfectly harmless and potentially useful hobby. Safer than contact sports, which most people have no problems with kids that age playing. Giving a nine year old one shot of semi-auto 9mm and then immediately letting her have 950RPM full auto is by no means proper safety.

Next time, let her fire some big ass machine gun or sniper rifle, at least that can't flip over

[QUOTE=cardfan212;45811308]There's nothing wrong with teaching a 9-year-old how to handle a firearm as long as they are mature and responsible enough for it. That said, a 9-year-old should be started on a .22 rifle, not a full-auto Uzi.[/QUOTE] Except no 9 year old child is mature or responsible.

Children should be restricted to firing bolt action rifles. I see no way a child can make it long in this world without gun knowledge.

[QUOTE=Megadave;45818579]Children should be restricted to firing bolt action rifles. I see no way a child can make it long in this world without gun knowledge.[/QUOTE] You must live in a pretty fucked up world then. It is not important for a kid to know how to fire a weapon. Understanding what they are, what they look like and that they are really fucking dangerous (which even in "sheltered" Britain, every fucking kid knows this) is the only important thing. Kids do not need, and really should not be using firearms. It's hella irresponsible and just contributes to the grotesque gun culture of the US, which is super counter-productive.

[QUOTE=Last or First;45811679]How about just give her an airsoft gun? Nope, this is America, we gots to start em off right! That means defendin our terrtory from illegal aliens with fully automatic weapons, startin as young as 9 years old! God bless Aruzina.[/QUOTE] How else wil we protect the border

[QUOTE=Chaplin;45811755]I feel sorry for the girl, she's old enough to know what death is so she knows she killed someone. She'll have to live with it for the rest of her life, and even face consequences right now for it. Honestly At 17 I don't think i could handle the guilt of knowing I ended another's life. I can't imagine it at 9.[/QUOTE] I don't think she should be facing legal consequences for this at all. When an adult gives a 9 year old a weapon and tells them it's okay to fire it, the burden of responsibility is on the adult, not the child. There's a reason the age of consent for sex is 16/18, as well as the driving age, drinking age, etc: the mental faculties of children aren't developed enough for them to be expected to legally take responsibility for all of their actions, especially in a scenario like this where an adult is giving advice and instruction within his profession of expertise. If anybody should be held accountable it's first and foremost the instructor. If the girl had shot somebody else, he would be. But he's dead, so [I]hopefully[/I] this incident becomes one where there's nobody legally at fault and the girl gets a shitload of theraapy

I had a youth model .22 caliber lever action rifle at 9. I went target shooting with my dad and shot paper targets and had a fantastic time. I had airguns and BB guns that I caused havok with at that age as well. I don't think any kid should be able to fire full auto guns though, because this not the first time this has happened even recently.

[QUOTE=RodneyBlack;45818363]Except no 9 year old child is mature or responsible.[/QUOTE]There goes that point, it's going over your head. I'm going to retort anyway: I raised $1,500 for leukemia research with a friend because his cat had feline leukemia and died. What the fuck did you do when you were in the 2nd grade? [editline]27th August 2014[/editline] Oh and let me clarify: We did this by ourselves, the only help we had was his older brother drove us to Wal-Mart to set up our little stand, and my mom actually mailing in the donation.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;45818995]There goes that point, it's going over your head. I'm going to retort anyway: I raised $1,500 for leukemia research with a friend because his cat had feline leukemia and died. What the fuck did you do when you were in the 2nd grade? [editline]27th August 2014[/editline] Oh and let me clarify: We did this by ourselves, the only help we had was his older brother drove us to Wal-Mart to set up our little stand, and my mom actually mailing in the donation.[/QUOTE] What the fuck? Were you just waiting for someone to reply so you could randomly bring that up? That's not even relevant to this thread. Do you have some form of autism? I'm legitimately curious.