9-year-old girl accidentally shoots dead a gun instructor. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45818875]You must live in a pretty fucked up world then. It is not important for a kid to know how to fire a weapon. Understanding what they are, what they look like and that they are really fucking dangerous (which even in "sheltered" Britain, every fucking kid knows this) is the only important thing. Kids do not need, and really should not be using firearms. It's hella irresponsible and just contributes to the grotesque gun culture of the US, which is super counter-productive.[/QUOTE] Perhaps I would be more sympathetic to gun control if cops would actually either do their job, or not over-do their job.

They don't work that way.

[QUOTE=Jackald;45819333]Forgive me for being a dumb foreign idiot who has never even held a gun before, but can't you teach this kind of stuff with blanks? Or do guns just not work that way?[/QUOTE] You technically could, however firing a gun using blanks has almost no recoil without a specially designed firearm(recoil is caused by the amount of matter ejected and it's velocity, a blank has low density wadding and gunpowder), and even so blanks are actually more expensive normally the ammo. You also would not have any indicator that they knew where they were aiming the weapon or if they were aiming properly. For loading and safety practice, dummy rounds are better.

[QUOTE=Jackald;45819333]Forgive me for being a dumb foreign idiot who has never even held a gun before, but can't you teach this kind of stuff with blanks? Or do guns just not work that way?[/QUOTE] Most guns won't function normally with blanks. But even a blank by itself can be deadly at close range, as it still fires a large blast of air out the end of the barrel. But really, this instructor was getting ahead of himself, only having her fire that single shot before going full auto. I shot my first machine gun last year, and I still fired several rounds in single shot, a few groups in burst before switching to full. [video=youtube;jLzXAH5xQg0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLzXAH5xQg0[/video]

I'm as pro 2nd Amendment and gun-gal as you can get But I don't think that children under the age of say, 13, should be allowed to handle Class 3 firearms. Even with adult supervision, there is just too high of a chance for something like this to happen.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45819754]I'm as pro 2nd Amendment and gun-gal as you can get But I don't think that children under the age of say, 13, should be allowed to handle Class 3 firearms. Even with adult supervision, there is just too high of a chance for something like this to happen.[/QUOTE] I'd like to preface my post by saying this is coming from someone with a class III in the family (as well as two ex-police). Nobody should really be allowed to handle said firearms without the correct training and knowledge in firearms, regardless of age or relatives. As pro-gun as I am (owning multiple myself) I do not support the ownership of fully automatic firearms to begin with, for this reason alone. It's too dangerous to other people and shit like this happens. Again, this is from someone who's pro-gun rights and has fired multiple fully automatic weapons.

This title was designed to piss off dyslexic people.

[QUOTE=RodneyBlack;45819303]What the fuck? Were you just waiting for someone to reply so you could randomly bring that up? That's not even relevant to this thread. Do you have some form of autism? I'm legitimately curious.[/QUOTE]No I wasn't waiting to post that, how absurd, you said, "except no 9 year old child is mature or responsible," and I disputed that. I did this despite your statement being patently wrong and a poor excuse for a response to cardfan212's post. I'm sorry that you feel threatened or offended by that. Oh and to answer your question, no, I don't have some form of autism, so I hope that satisfies you legitimate curiosity.[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45819754]I'm as pro 2nd Amendment and gun-gal as you can get But I don't think that children under the age of say, 13, should be allowed to handle Class 3 firearms. Even with adult supervision, there is just too high of a chance for something like this to happen.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I don't think anyone who isn't an adult should be handling them because that's more in league with the spirit of the law(s) that define Class 3 firearms.

I just want to point out, at least here in Australia anyway, shooting is statistically just about the safest sport we have in this country, with less injuries and less deaths than almost any other. In saying that, this is helped by the fact that we don't just throw automatic weapons into the hands of 9 year olds, then stand in a position where we're infront of or beside the muzzle. Teaching kids to shoot is fine and safe, the problem usually rests as in this case with adults who just aren't thinking.

[QUOTE=BackwardSpy;45811501]The concept of giving a 9 year old a real gun containing live ammunition is so alien to me, I cannot comprehend why on earth you'd need to. I realise that gun culture is very much a thing in the states though, it's just so very different to how things are over here in the UK that it's hard to get my head around sometimes. I totally agree with what the others have said though; why you would give her an Uzi instead of something a bit more... manageable, I don't know.[/QUOTE] I personally wouldn't let my kids use them, but I would tell them all about the safety rules and consequences guns can have. I would bring them to the range and show them what happens when you use one too, but I wouldn't actually let them use one, not at 9 years old anyways. I don't necessarily think it's wrong, I just wouldn't do it. Using an uzi of all things is pretty stupid though.. I really hope that little girl doesn't blame herself, or even better thinks the guy is ok.

There is no justifying America's gun culture

She just killed someone because the "instructor" told her to go fully automatic. Also I don't think a 9 year old girl should be learning how to shoot with a gun like that, what's so wrong with a .22 for her first time? I'm also wondering why the instructor allowed her to use fully automatic. Just judging by the video the firearm has so much kick to it, there was no way she could have controlled it considering she was literally holding the trigger down.

Better to teach your kids how to properly handle a gun than to not teach them. Teach them the dangers of guns, and how to properly handle and store them. They will be less likely to do something stupid with a gun if they know what to do with one. That being said. I think they were idiots for giving a little girl an automatic weapon. Start off with BB guns and .22s.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45812153]The concept of not giving a child a real gun containing live ammo is so alien to me. Many a day my father would bring me out back and we'd shoot for hours, perfecting technique and just in general bonding as father and son. Done correctly, practicing marksmanship is wonderful for creating confidence, and a lasting bond between child and parent.[/QUOTE] You could also fly a kite together Or draw Or throw a frisbee Or have a picnic Or if you still want to go full 'murica why not throw a baseball while wearing those big weird glove things

[QUOTE=Eric95;45825712]You could also fly a kite together Or draw Or throw a frisbee Or have a picnic Or if you still want to go full 'murica why not throw a baseball while wearing those big weird glove things[/QUOTE] And what if neither of you like kites, drawing, Frisbees, baseball or picnics?

There ought to be an age requirement for people to use firearms with actual ammunition. If a person requires to be 16 years old to be able to apply a driving license, why is there no law that requires a person to be a certain mature age to be able to handle firearms? [editline]29th August 2014[/editline] A young child with weak arms should not be allowed to use a fully-automatic weapons like assault rifles, sub-machineguns and machine pistols

[QUOTE=BCell;45825803]There ought to be an age requirement for people to use firearms with actual ammunition. If a person requires to be 16 years old to be able to apply a driving license, why is there no law that requires a person to be a certain mature age to be able to handle firearms?[/QUOTE] A drivers license is only needed to drive on public roads. You could drive a car on private property all you want without one unrestricted, but are not allowed to go on public roads without one. Also, a child cannot purchase or own a firearm, nor the ammunition for it.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;45813994]Are you fucking serious? its a fucking automatic UZI, how can ANYBODY at age 9 and as a girl handle a gun like that?[/QUOTE] Age isn't even the main problem, look on YouTube, there are loads of videos of full grown adults having similar problems with an UZI. I'm not an expert but surely something that powerful shouldn't be given to anyone unless they are confident with them. To make a car analogy (like the 100th made in this thread), you wouldn't let someone drive a super car unless they had a lot of experience it would just be dangerous and reckless. It should be the same with [B]any[/B][B]thing[/B] that is powerful, start at the bottom etc.

Unfortunately, you can't legislate common bloody sense into people's brains.

Can hold a gun at 9 but can't have a beer until 21 America

[QUOTE=Revanold;45827888]Can hold a gun at 9 but can't have a beer until 21 America[/QUOTE] Depends on state, some states allow you to have alcohol under parental supervision.

[QUOTE=deadoon;45827991]Depends on state, some states allow you to have alcohol under parental supervision.[/QUOTE] Amazing, now it's no longer ridiculous at all.

Wasn't there a news story a few months ago where a small child also fired an uzi. The barrel rise of the gun caused him to shoot his head. He died I believe.

I think this was more about bragging rights than teaching the girl anything. Dad, or mom, wanted to be able to brag to their friends about their daughter shooting a fully automatic Uzi. If they took her to shoot a .22 how do you brag about that? Anyone's kid can do that. The firing range guy was dumb too. Why give her a full magazine to start with? Why not let her fire 3 or 4 rounds at most and see if she can handle it first? Those things fire so fast does anyone think a kid that young will know how many rounds they fired?

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