[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;29326409]I cut myself off from gaming until I have a life (as in healthy, preferably outdoors hobbies, and friends, because currently I have no friends and sit in my room literally all day, never leave except to go to classes then come home). For now that means I'm not buying or playing any new PC games, and if I don't have any friends by the end of the semester I'm deleting my Steam account (spent about $400 on it...) so I can't spend the entire summer shuttered in my room staring at a goddamn computer screen.
if episode 3 comes out tomorrow, i won't buy it.
as i said, long story[/QUOTE]
give one of us your steam account nerd
People are complaining about the shortness? I mean come on look at the first Portal, it was shorter and no one gave a fuck. What's with the reviews? Are they written by ignorant Call of Duty fan boys or something? Portal 2 does NOT feel like a port at all.
[QUOTE=goon165;29325870]yeah they made millions selling [I]other[/I] peoples games and then giving away the Valve complete pack for free, good assumption jackass[/QUOTE]
You may be right about the giving away of Valve Complete Packs not being directly financially profitable for Valve, but:
I'm pretty sure Valve gets a cut of every sale made on Steam, since you know, they made and own Steam and everything. :raise:
[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;29331601]You may be right about the giving away of Valve Complete Packs not being directly financially profitable for Valve, but:
I'm pretty sure Valve gets a cut of every sale made on Steam, since you know, they made and own Steam and everything. :raise:[/QUOTE]
I heard it's 50/50. 50% goes to the game developer, 50% goes to Valve.
[QUOTE=Ultimate7MK;29332328]I heard it's 50/50. 50% goes to the game developer, 50% goes to Valve.[/QUOTE]
Correction:
10% goes to developer, 10% goes to Valve, 100% goes to Gabe.
Portal 2 SP Campaign, or endless rants on Metacritic.
Your choice.
oh no the Mona Lisa is ruined because some guy in the gift shop tried to sell me accessories to put on it
fuck off and die you absolute cretins.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;29333150]oh no the Mona Lisa is ruined because some guy in the gift shop tried to sell me accessories to put on it
fuck off and die you absolute cretins.[/QUOTE]
bad analogy
After completing Portal 2, I am entitled to say, it's a work of sheer brilliance.
ARG was bad. Singleplayer campaign was short. Items are dumb...
[QUOTE=CaptainQuirk;29333876]ARG was bad. Singleplayer campaign was short. Items are dumb...[/QUOTE]
If that's your opinion, then that's absolutely fine for me.
In the meantime, I will be having fun with my 13 great indie games and a completely itemless Portal 2.
if i went by user reviews on websites i wouldn't own 95% of all the games i do
The SP's length was fine in my opinion.
The CO-OP mode could have been longer, but it wasn't so short that it made me change my mind about giving Portal 2 10/10
[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;29340260]The SP's length was fine in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Took me about 7-8 hours for the sp campaign. While I would have liked more, that was going to be true regardless of its length. :D
It only took me a few hours to play the SP campaign but fuck it was the best few hours I have ever invested in anything. I'm assuming a fair number of these people criticising it have never even played or have played very little and have decided to leap on the bandwagon. Though I see they have valid points they are overemphasizing and overreacting to an insane degree. I also feel that the metacritic community does not give a fair example of the PC community as a whole. Everybody I have asked about it around my school (from those who have only ever played COD to those who have sampled every fruit on the gaming tree) have said that they're really enjoying it/looking forward to it/thinking of getting it.
Sorry for what's coming up, but I need to get this out of my system.
Some people who know me in real life will know that I am quite fond of PC gaming. Having grown up on them, I have developed a not entirely unpredictable preference to them. But apparently, said fondness has noticeably gone down, something I've noticed myself as well. In conversations, I find myself reluctant or even embarrassed to say I'm a PC gamer. I've had someone ask me 'what happened, you don't like PC gaming that much anymore'. My response amounted to 'well, with shit like this...'
If console gamers are all drooling inbred retards, then PC gamers are all whiny entitled cunts. Let me give some examples.
What I despise about a lot of PC gamers is that they seem to think that they have some sort of power over developers, that developers should listen and cater to them because they obviously know everything best. And if they don't listen to you? Well, you'll often hear the phrase 'X has sold out to the console tards' or 'What happened to you X? You used to be good'. A good, if slightly excessive example of this is the World of Warcraft community, particularly as of late.
For instance, I more often than not hear WoW players whine about how WoW was at its best during the Burning Crusade expansion and how the game is now casualized to shit and how Blizzard are a bunch of money hungry whores and all that nice stuff. Now I can already hear you say 'Whoopsalot, you tit, that's nothing new, there's always people whining about how everything was better in the earlier days'. Well yes, I know but the WoW community takes a special award and here's why:
A while ago, it was announced that the next patch will be having 2 old dungeons return with the same bosses but with new loot you can get. Hell, if at least one of your party members has a high enough level in a profession introduced in Cataclysm, you can get another one out of 4 random bosses which drop unique loot. Sounds good, right? Fun dungeons return with new stuff. Well, no apparently. I wouldn't advise you to go to the forums (unless you have an urge to get some serious headache) but most, if not all of the replies, can be summed up with the following phrase: 'WoW sucks now and Blizzard has ruined it. They're just trying to keep the tards happy with old content instead of listening to us'. Yet these people still have their subscriptions fully going and they're still playing. No guys, totally not hypocritical!
That's another thing I hate about a good amount of PC gamers. They sometimes are the biggest hypocrites you'll see. The Portal 2 debacle is a good, nay, excellent example. People bitch at the Wii, Kinect and Move for being gimmicky bullshit, yet they get their panties in several bunches because they don't get hats for free, hats being probably the second biggest gimmick of this gaming generation. Honestly, when you're complaining about something as stupendously trivial as hats or any purchasable items that are 100% cosmetic and provide no gameplay benefits whatsoever, that's a sign you need to rethink your priorities.
Not to mention the almost astounding elitism that takes place at times, such as here. While I haven't seen it myself, people are apparently popping arteries over a message that tells you 'not to turn off your console', immediately branding Portal 2 as a console port, with the same tone of voice they'd saw 'raw sewage'. First off, what's so bad about a console port at the very core? Does it automatically bring horrendous features? Does it mean the gameplay is dumbed down? It doesn't mean shit, except maybe lesser graphics (you know, for a group that's so fast to shout 'gameplay over graphics', these guys sure get wound up about console graphics being ported to PC, still not hypocritical), big whoop, nothing to go out and murder people over.
And what do you know, I can flow into another point again! Something that's happening on all platforms, but PC most prevalently is the complete and utter lack of a middle ground or grey area if you will. Go visit some sites that allow user reviews. Go to IGN, Gamespot, Metacritic, I don't care which. Now pick any random game you've played. Found one? Okay, question here. Roughly how many of the user reviews for said game are neutral (for consistency's sake, let's consider 5.5-6 neutral)? Chances are your answer is 'not a whole bloody lot'. There seems to be no such thing as having a neutral-ish opinion on a game, either it's like a hot model who wants steamy sex with you all night and she doesn't have STD's or it's a complete and utter pile of shit and/or a great example of why PC gaming is dying/going down the shitter/insert insult of choice. Don't bother going asking for an advice on whether to buy it or not, the results you'll get or so stupidly inconclusive you might as well not bother.
This next point is somewhat related to my previous one and also my first one, but it's an issue I consider far more infuriating. It's called entitlement. Somebody on FP once said 'it must suck being a current gen games developer, especially when you're making a sequel. Either you stay fateful to the original and get scalded because you're pumping out an easy sequel because you're a bunch of assholes who just want money or you try to move things forward and again get scalded, only this time for raping their beloved franchise to appeal to the legions of twats that are console players.'
While this doesn't apply to all PC gamers (then again, what point so far does apply to all PC gamers?), there are a good amount of severely entitled PC gamers who have an attitude that can be summed up in 5 words, 'my way or the highway'. Most of these seem to be stuck in the old days, since frequent complaints are how the devs are milking the game with DLC rather than bringing out expansion packs with 'actual content like they did in the 90s', 'casualizing the game to appeal to the tards out there' (again, saying 'casualizing' like they would say 'raw sewage', you guys do know you're not better than everyone else, right?) or whatever other complaint they seem to like to throw around. You might argue this could be fused with the whiny argument but there's a difference here. The whiny gamer wants the developer to listen to him and only. The entitled gamer feels that his favorite game series or developer is almost rightfully his and thus only HE is allowed to make changes to the formula. If it doesn't cater to his very VERY specific tastes, the developer has sold out, the game series is now 'ruined forever' (a term which is about as dumb as you can get it) and it's another step to the edge for PC gaming and by god does he want everyone to know! Because if you like it now, you obviously have absolutely 0 taste and are part of the cancer that is killing PC gaming!
You might say 'Holy jesus Whoopsalot, close the whine valve already'. I say fuck you, I've had enough. I'm sick and tired of PC gamers that say their platform is the best without joking. I'm sick and tired of the disgusting condescending attitudes so many PC gamers have to consoles and the people who play them. I'm sick and tired of that group of people who, if they had their way, would have game series stagnate because they seem to be like the Japanese and can't bear changes to their precious game series. But most of all, I'm sick and tired of a pathetic excuse for a community that claims to be so mature but is so quick to remind me of a fucking kindergarten, having some of the saddest, whiniest and juvenile pricks I've ever seen.
Keep going guys, bitch and whine the way you're doing now! Continue demanding that developers conform to your sometimes ridiculous standards. But don't complain to us when developers leave the PC en masse in favor of an audience that's easier to please. You can complain to yourselves for a change.
[QUOTE=Ultimate7MK;29331068]People are complaining about the shortness? I mean come on look at the first Portal, it was shorter and no one gave a fuck. What's with the reviews? Are they written by ignorant Call of Duty fan boys or something? Portal 2 does NOT feel like a port at all.[/QUOTE]
Portal 2 is a great game but I am kind of scared of valve becoming more money hungry because this is the first time you have to buy dlc and its day one. Also the potato thing.
Hey Sir Whoopsalot why is it that your always defending game companies no matter what they do? I mean the customer does kind of control the company. Where do you think they get there money from?
The DLC thing sigh-worthy but not much else. Portal 2 is still a fantastic game, and its fucking amazing that people can ignore its quality just because it has cosmetic DLC.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29343808]Portal 2 is a great game but I am kind of scared of valve becoming more money hungry because this is the first time you have to buy dlc and its day one. Also the potato thing.
Hey Sir Whoopsalot why is it that your always defending game companies no matter what they do? I mean the customer does kind of control the company. Where do you think they get there money from?[/QUOTE]
I'm not defending them no matter what they do, I gave you ye olde box because you mention you 'have' to buy DLC. Also the bitching about the potato thing.
it saddens me how much agree the first post is getting
the first post is a great example of blatant idiocy and generalization
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;29344152]it saddens me how much agree the first post is getting
the first post is a great example of blatant idiocy and generalization[/QUOTE]
Fuck you gabe, where's ep3
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;29344131]I'm not defending them no matter what they do, I gave you ye olde box because you mention you 'have' to buy DLC. Also the bitching about the potato thing.[/QUOTE]
I meant the first time you had to buy dlc when you had other options. I mean really the only other time valve had you pay for dlc was team fortress and you could still get the item other ways. Also yea anyone who was apart of the potato thing could tell you it was a rip off. You might say that I should feel happy that they released it early at all but with all the work the and money the steam community did just to find out they get the game an hour early really sucked. Sure the company has the right to do what they want but it doesn't mean I don't have the right to complain if they hurt there fans.
I thought it was a good game and that should be all that matters.
Why have you all spent 23 pages arguing over little inconsequential items?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29344303]I meant the first time you had to buy dlc when you had other options.[/quote]
I haven't noticed this yet myself, but aren't a bunch of items gained through achievements too?
Besides, why's it so much of a problem? They're aesthetic, they're just there to make your character look silly.
[quote]Also yea anyone who was apart of the potato thing could tell you it was a rip off. You might say that I should feel happy that they released it early at all but with all the work the and money the steam community did just to find out they get the game an hour early really sucked. Sure the company has the right to do what they want but it doesn't mean I don't have the right to complain if they hurt there fans.[/QUOTE]
Okay, now you're exaggerating. For starters, it wasn't a ripoff, quite the contrary. And it didn't get released an hour early, more like 12 hours. Now, if that wasn't very interesting to you, that's fine. But that meant it unlocked at about 7-8 am for me so I don't have to deal with everyone unlocking it at the same time. I made that mistake once already and it somehow broke Steam, forcing me to re-install it.
And how the hell did the potato ARG 'hurt' customers? Nobody forced them to buy it, they bought it out of their own free will.
Let me go out and say it. PC gamers and the biggest gamers in terms of consumption and feedback. A lot of the time the PC commnuity is frustated with a game is becuase they go through the high expectations of the game coming out more then other users. Some of that commuity put a lot of time a effort into playing those games and even trying to suggest ways to improve it. They are proabably the most hardest to please, they act ace pissbags sometimes.
Still for all the things that do go wrong when they start going off the rails they are probably the strongest and best commnuity outthere when it comes to support and feedback. A lot of PC gamers will tell you when there is a problem with the game and when you do well they will praise you for what you did as a developer. Like them or heate them they are probably the best to have around.
We all love to rage aobut how PC developers are this and that but when they do produce something good and fun we will give your money to them and if they want to add some extra stuff that is worth it we will buy it. We complain the most because we put the most time and effort in to the games we play and never forget it.
[QUOTE=redriver;29340384]Agreed. Took me about 7-8 hours for the sp campaign. While I would have liked more, that was going to be true regardless of its length. :D[/QUOTE]
I agree as well. I mean even after completing the whole game I felt like replaying the underground levels because they where just so damn awesome! The games length was fine. I think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
The game from beginning to end was great in my opinion. The co-op is good too and the whole store thing doesn't bother me a bit. The only thing that annoys me was that some of the games textures were a bit fuzzy especially the ones with text but I don't really mind since there are only a few like that.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;29344393]I haven't noticed this yet myself, but aren't a bunch of items gained through achievements too?
Besides, why's it so much of a problem? They're aesthetic, they're just there to make your character look silly.
Okay, now you're exaggerating. For starters, it wasn't a ripoff, quite the contrary. And it didn't get released an hour early, more like 12 hours. Now, if that wasn't very interesting to you, that's fine. But that meant it unlocked at about 7-8 am for me so I don't have to deal with everyone unlocking it at the same time. I made that mistake once already and it somehow broke Steam, forcing me to re-install it.
And how the hell did the potato ARG 'hurt' customers? Nobody forced them to buy it, they bought it out of their own free will.[/QUOTE]
Well when valve has extra time they never used to put it into dlc instead they put it into the game for free but now that other companies are doing valve thinks its ok to do the same. It means that valve might try this with other things.
Now about the potatoes. There were already many people having to download the whole thing again because of the mass unlock and it came out about 6 hours before which means nothing if you have to go to work or school the valve community thought it would be a day before at least not a few hours also the console gamers got to get it first anyways so we did all this to get it still later then the console gamers who did nothing. Again yes no one forced them to buy it but no one expected to work for 2 days straight so they could play a game for 5 minutes before they had to sleep. It hurt there customers because they expected more from valve for there hard work. But again I have been in an argument with you before about customer rights so I know how little you care about them. I still think portal is great but almost everyone would agree that what valve did was wrong.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29344563]Well when valve has extra time they never used to put it into dlc instead they put it into the game for free but now that other companies are doing valve thinks its ok to do the same. It means that valve might try this with other things.
Now about the potatoes. There were already many people having to download the whole thing again because of the mass unlock and it came out about 6 hours before which means nothing if you have to go to work or school the valve community thought it would be a day before at least not a few hours also the console gamers got to get it first anyways so we did all this to get it still later then the console gamers who did nothing. Again yes no one forced them to buy it but no one expected to work for 2 days straight so they could play a game for 5 minutes before they had to sleep. It hurt there customers because they expected more from valve for there hard work. But again I have been in an argument with you before about customer rights so I know how little you care about them. I still think portal is great but almost everyone would agree that what valve did was wrong.[/QUOTE]
more like you guys expected the game to release a couple days early when valve promised nothing and flip a shit when it does get released early
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
also all of valve's maps they make for the community are free and the items are cosmetics so you can shut the fuck up
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29344563]Well when valve has extra time they never used to put it into dlc instead they put it into the game for free but now that other companies are doing valve thinks its ok to do the same. It means that valve might try this with other things.[/quote]
Okay, I can see where that logic comes from.
Still, as long as said DLC is cosmetic items, no harm done, right?
[quote]Now about the potatoes. There were already many people having to download the whole thing again because of the mass unlock and it came out about 6 hours before which means nothing if you have to go to work or school the valve community thought it would be a day before at least not a few hours also the console gamers got to get it first anyways so we did all this to get it still later then the console gamers who did nothing. Again yes no one forced them to buy it but no one expected to work for 2 days straight so they could play a game for 5 minutes before they had to sleep. It hurt there customers because they expected more from valve for there hard work. But again I have been in an argument with you before about customer rights so I know how little you care about them. I still think portal is great but almost everyone would agree that what valve did was wrong.[/QUOTE]
People actually believed it would be released days earlier? Can you imagine the kind of stir that could cause? People were overly optimistic and suffered for it, their own fault for having absurd expectations.
also timezones
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
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