Stop with the "hurr items do not change gameplay" or "durr nobody makes you buy them" crap. Buying something ingame is always stupid, and in P2's case it's also extremely out of place.
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[QUOTE=Sokrates;29356013]They sell store items for a co-op that only lasts 2 hours.[/QUOTE]
Also this.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;29356013]They sell store items for a co-op that only lasts 2 hours.[/QUOTE]
Don't buy them.
Problem solved.
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[QUOTE=qwerty000;29356229]Stop with the "hurr items do not change gameplay" or "durr nobody makes you buy them" crap. Buying something ingame is always stupid, and in P2's case it's also extremely out of place.[/QUOTE]
See my previous point.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;29356244]Don't buy them.
Problem solved.
[/QUOTE]
They're still stupid and thank god I completed my co-op playthrough already so I don't have to play with some "lol check out my l33t hat wait how do i place poratls" faggot.
Everyone who rated me dumb - control your butthurt
[QUOTE=qwerty000;29356317]They're still stupid and thank god I completed my co-op playthrough already so I don't have to play with some "lol check out my l33t hat wait how do i place poratls" faggot.[/QUOTE]
You should play co-op with a friend, not a random person.
If I ever play with a random person and he goes like that, I will instantly leave.
Are hats and cosmetics stupid? [B]Yes. In my opinion they are.[/B]
Does it matter to me? [B]Not in the slightest.[/B]
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Should it matter to you? [B]No.[/B]
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29299292]
When you get a film on DVD they don't release an optional extra scene on release day that fills in an extra part of the storyline that you have to pay for do they? No.
[/QUOTE]
Director's cut.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;29299339]He could have watched one of the many different livestreams that have occurred by now for both console and pc versions.[/QUOTE]
They're probably cut earlier than the ending. Funny because the end of the second act could have very well been the game's ending if it weren't for a detail. Who knows, maybe someone cut the stream short and played the credits trolling you.
[QUOTE=qwerty000;29356229]Stop with the "hurr items do not change gameplay" or "durr nobody makes you buy them" crap. Buying something ingame is always stupid, and in P2's case it's also extremely out of place.
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Also this.[/QUOTE]
please tell me how it's stupid
and how it's out of place
[QUOTE=qwerty000;29356229]Buying something ingame is always stupid, and in P2's case it's also extremely out of place.[/QUOTE]
Hey guys, stop doing things i don't like to do.
Wow that guy is playing the game in a different way than i did, what a dumbass.
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;29356887]please tell me how it's stupid
and how it's out of place[/QUOTE]
it's like a diet soda in your cup
It's stupid because it's a way for snobby kids with rich parents to show off how much money their parents have. It's out of place because it's a game about cooperation and Portals, not hats and skins. It's not Counter Strike or Team Fortress
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;29356887]please tell me how it's stupid
and how it's out of place[/QUOTE]
A robot wearing a crown from a game that has nothing to do with Portal's universe is out of place.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;29356389]
Should it matter to you? [B]No.[/B][/QUOTE]
It matters to me because it sends a message to other developers. Valve is a very successful company, and the majority of the gaming community holds it in high regard.
Other developers might think along the lines of, "Valve sold items right away, let's do the same."
Instead of selling cosmetic items, they might sell maps or other things that impact gameplay.
While I disagree with people giving this game a 0, I think they're only doing that because they think any other score doesn't matter.
[QUOTE=MrFish;29357128]A robot wearing a crown from a game that has nothing to do with Portal's universe is out of place.
It matters to me because it sends a message to other developers. Valve is a very successful company, and the majority of the gaming community holds it in high regard.
Other developers might think along the lines of, "Valve sold items right away, let's do the same."
Instead of selling cosmetic items, they might sell maps or other things that impact gameplay.
While I disagree with people giving this game a 0, I think they're only doing that because they think any other score doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]
It's cute; also, that's one of the what like 6 TF2 items in P2. All of the others fit the style
[QUOTE=The golden;29356819]Sorry but it does matter to me. I don't like bullshit childish gimmicks being added to games in which they have no place whatsoever without any prior notice.[/QUOTE]
Why does it matter to you that they are in the game if you never notice them in the game either way?
I just don't get that, please enlighten me.
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[QUOTE=MrFish;29357128]It matters to me because it sends a message to other developers. Valve is a very successful company, and the majority of the gaming community holds it in high regard.
Other developers might think along the lines of, "Valve sold items right away, let's do the same."
Instead of selling cosmetic items, they might sell maps or other things that impact gameplay.
While I disagree with people giving this game a 0, I think they're only doing that because they think any other score doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure other developers also are capable of listening to the community.
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And using their own brain you know.
Although I do think it's worth more than 5.1, I do hope this might serve as a lesson for Valve of what people think of their cosmetics and store bullshit they've been doing lately.
I used to like Valve for being the company that didn't fuck their customers over.
[QUOTE=The golden;29357652]Denial does not make something go away. I don't want shitty gimmicks in my games, and I don't want said gimmicks to spread to other games. I don't give a flying shit whether I have to use them or not. It's the principle I care about. I would rather such bullshit not exist at all.[/QUOTE]
But in this case, denial does make it as good as non-existent. I honestly don't see the problem.
[QUOTE=The golden;29357652]Denial does not make something go away. I don't want shitty gimmicks in my games, and I don't want said gimmicks to spread to other games. I don't give a flying shit whether I have to use them or not. It's the principle I care about. I would rather such bullshit not exist at all.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, this is a prime example of why "If you don't like it, don't use it" is probably one of the dumbest arguments ever invented.
The people who use that argument usually implies that it is the people who want it gone who are selfish, while they themselves are selfish enough to feel that their own experience in the game is more important than everyone else's.
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[QUOTE=LarparNar;29357692]But in this case, denial does make it as good as non-existent. I honestly don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
If you dislike racists, does this mean that you won't ever have to meet a racist if you stop being racist yourself?
No, it means that although you aren't being racist, the world will still be filled with racists.
[QUOTE=qwerty000;29356229]Stop with the "hurr items do not change gameplay" or "durr nobody makes you buy them" crap. Buying something ingame is always stupid, and in P2's case it's also extremely out of place.
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
Also this.[/QUOTE]
Hurr I can make the people who disagree with me sound like they're in the wrong by durring in the middle of sentences too HURRRR
Nobody's saying they're not out of place. What I personally have been saying is, you shouldn't complain so long as the optional paid things don't affect gameplay. Not that things that are optional, or things that don't affect gameplay aren't out-of place.
[QUOTE=Simski;29357697]Thank you, this is a prime example of why "If you don't like it, don't use it" is probably one of the dumbest arguments ever invented.
The people who use that argument usually implies that it is the people who want it gone who are selfish, while they themselves are selfish enough to feel that their own experience in the game is more important than everyone else's.
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
If you dislike racists, does this mean that the world won't have any racists left if you stop being racist?
No, it means that although you aren't being racist, the world will still be filled with racists.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't think racists are comparable to hats in a game. Nice strawman though.
I'm not trying to say that anyone who want it gone is selfish, I just don't see why there's a problem that it's there, and you're not managing to convince me. I don't think my own experience is more important than everyone else's either.
[QUOTE=Pavarotti;29357749]Nobody's saying they're not out of place. What I personally have been saying is, you shouldn't complain so long as the optional paid things don't affect gameplay, not that things that are optional, or the fact that they don't affect gameplay is not out-of place.[/QUOTE]
Unofficial mods and skins are optional and things that if you don't like, you never have to see them.
However official items that everyone can use in the game, are not things that are optional.
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[QUOTE=LarparNar;29357787]I honestly don't think racists are comparable to hats in a game. Nice strawman though.
I'm not trying to say that anyone who want it gone is selfish, I just don't see why there's a problem that it's there, and you're not managing to convince me. I don't think my own experience is more important than everyone else's either.[/QUOTE]
It's a metaphor, I use only exaggerated examples to make it easier to understand.
Use the metaphor, try to understand what it means, and then understand why I'm using it.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;29357514]
I'm sure other developers also are capable of listening to the community.[/QUOTE]
Why would they do that when they could just ignore the community and get extra money? It seems to be working for Valve, after all.
[QUOTE]And using their own brain you know.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. They'll use their brains and realize that more than enough people will buy their overpriced items, no matter how many other people complain.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;29357692]But in this case, denial does make it as good as non-existent. I honestly don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
Valve is still making loads of money from this. Denial doesn't do a thing.
[QUOTE=Simski;29357796]Unofficial mods and skins are optional and things that if you don't like, you never have to see them.
However official items that everyone can use in the game, are not things that are optional.
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It's a metaphor, I use only exaggerated examples to make it easier to understand.
Use the metaphor, try to understand what it means, and then understand why I'm using it.[/QUOTE]
First of all, the fact that this is completely optional is what this whole debate is about, and it's what you've been saying is a bad argument. It IS optional, you don't have to see it at all. If you are playing with someone who's using them, switch to someone else or play with a friend (which is what it's supposed to be used for).
Second of all, if it's a metaphor it's not an argument, and if you want it to be an argument, it's going to have to be a strawman argument.
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[QUOTE=MrFish;29357836]Why would they do that when they could just ignore the community and get extra money? It seems to be working for Valve, after all.
[B]Because if they don't listen to the community, people will start hating on them and rate their games down and not buy them :downs: PARTICULARLY if it's like you say, going to be gameplay changing DLC[/B]
Exactly. They'll use their brains and realize that more than enough people will buy their overpriced items, no matter how many other people complain.
[B]See above.[/B]
Valve is still making loads of money from this. Denial doesn't do a thing.
[B]Why is it a bad thing that Valve is making money off of this? If people buy it, then that's their choice and it obviously isn't hurting [B]them.[/B][/B]
[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;29357868]First of all, the fact that this is completely optional is what this whole debate is about, and it's what you've been saying is a bad argument. It IS optional, you don't have to see it at all. If you are playing with someone who's using them, switch to someone else or play with a friend (which is what it's supposed to be used for).[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I don't have to see them if my friends don't use them, but either way it's horrifying knowing that Valve is continuing the TF2 trend with adding content you can only obtain from the store. Valve is setting a terrible example out to other game developers, that you can add DLC from the beginning that are basically just simple models the characters wear, and make lots of money from it. As if this wasn't enough, the models are unfitting the Portal universe and generally does not have much to do with the game.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;29357868]Second of all, if it's a metaphor it's not an argument, and if you want it to be an argument, it's going to have to be a strawman argument.[/QUOTE]
Gee I didn't know the rules of the internet was so very important, I shall be sure to have this in mind the next time I foolishly mistake a strawman for a metaphor.
[QUOTE=Simski;29358050]Perhaps I don't have to see them if my friends don't use them, but either way it's horrifying knowing that Valve is continuing the TF2 trend with adding content you can only obtain from the store. Valve is setting a terrible example out to other game developers, that you can add DLC from the beginning that are basically just simple models the characters wear, and make lots of money from it. As if this wasn't enough, the models are unfitting the Portal universe and generally does not have much to do with the game.
Gee I didn't know the rules of the internet was so very important, I shall be sure to have this in mind the next time I foolishly mistake a strawman for a metaphor.[/QUOTE]
I partly agree that they shouldn't be in the game, and I don't think it's nice that Valve is doing it, but for me and hopefully to everyone else, they aren't changing the game experience at all, and aren't providing a reason for me to give the [B]game[/B] a lower score.
And it's not rules of the Internet, it's rules of argumentation.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;29357868]Because if they don't listen to the community, people will start hating on them and rate their games down and not buy them PARTICULARLY if it's like you say, going to be gameplay changing DLC[/QUOTE]
That's funny. I remember Black Ops being the most successful video game of all time, and yet it still had gameplay changing DLC. :downs:
[QUOTE]Why is it a bad thing that Valve is making money off of this? If people buy it, then that's their choice and it obviously isn't hurting them.[/QUOTE]
If I recall, people in Africa traded gold for salt. Just because everyone agreed doesn't mean the gold traders weren't being ripped off.
[QUOTE=Simski;29358050]Perhaps I don't have to see them if my friends don't use them, but either way it's horrifying knowing that Valve is continuing the TF2 trend with adding content you can only obtain from the store. Valve is setting a terrible example out to other game developers, that you can add DLC from the beginning that are basically just simple models the characters wear, and make lots of money from it. As if this wasn't enough, the models are unfitting the Portal universe and generally does not have much to do with the game.
Gee I didn't know the rules of the internet was so very important, I shall be sure to have this in mind the next time I foolishly mistake a strawman for a metaphor.[/QUOTE]
It's called micropayments, and you've said micropayments are bad, but you've shown no evidence of it.
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=MrFish;29358127]That's funny. I remember Black Ops being the most successful video game of all time, and yet it still had gameplay changing DLC. :downs:
If I recall, people in Africa traded gold for salt. Just because everyone agreed doesn't mean the gold traders weren't being ripped off.[/QUOTE]
Bad analogy, doesn't even work in this situation.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;29358104]And it's not rules of the Internet, it's rules of argumentation.[/QUOTE]
Alrighty then, but this is the interweb so I guess we don't really need those.
Hitler used the rules of argumentation, you don't want to be like Hitler do you?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29358144]It's called micropayments, and you've said micropayments are bad, but you've shown no evidence of it.[/QUOTE]
Lol, so I have to find a way to prove that evil is not good?
[QUOTE=Simski;29358189]Lol, so I have to find a way to prove that evil is not good?[/QUOTE]
How is it evil to try and make money off your product? Having little add ons that are purely aesthetic is fucking evil now? You're a genius, clearly a genius.
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[QUOTE=The golden;29358165]And why are micropayments good?
I bought the game, why do I need to keep giving my money away?[/QUOTE]
You don't. Do you have to buy that shit? Oh wait, no you don't.
Do you seriously buy shit just cause you're told to or do you use your brain?
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[QUOTE=Simski;29358162]Alrighty then, but this is the interweb so I guess we don't really need those.
Hitler used the rules of argumentation, you don't want to be like Hitler do you?[/QUOTE]
yeah, you're just trolling, no one should bother to talk to you.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29358210]How is it evil to try and make money off your product? Having little add ons that are purely aesthetic is fucking evil now? You're a genius, clearly a genius.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes I shouldn't have assumed they actually made any money when I bought their game an all, how silly of me.
[QUOTE=Simski;29358243]Oh yes I shouldn't have assumed they actually made any money when I bought their game an all, how silly of me.[/QUOTE]
They did, but then being a company who's job it is to make money, they can publish small aesthetic addons that you don't have to buy to enjoy the game, but somehow manage to make your pussy all tied up in knots for what reason?
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