Trump administration forcing Puerto Rico evacuees to pay for transportation - Polidicks

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52726921]Marketwatch has walked back some of their claims, now changing it to Caribbean Islands instead of Puerto Rico(partially true, people evac'd from Dominica had to pay). TheHill article headline has been changed to "State not requiring Puerto Rico evacuees to pay transportation costs" And [URL="http://www.snopes.com/is-the-trump-administration-puerto-rico-evacuees/"]Snopes[/URL] did a fact check on the claim: Unproven People from Puerto Rico aren't having their passports stripped from them until they pay the nasty racist Trump Administration.[/QUOTE] This is why people shouldn't blow their vitriolic load on the first tug the press makes. Not saying it couldn't still be proven true later on, of course.

[QUOTE=wewt!;52727475]This is why people shouldn't blow their vitriolic load on the first tug the press makes. Not saying it couldn't still be proven true later on, of course.[/QUOTE] I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment but it's completely understandable why people would assume Trump's doing something bad for dumb reasons here. His administration basically has done nothing [I]but[/I] dumb things for dumb reason. So it's natural to assume that a decision he made that shows little to no empathy to others was made for dumb reasons. If he wasn't an utterly worthless president then he'd be given the benefit of the doubt and people would assume he has a good reason or that something got miscommunicated and it's not as bad as it sounds.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52726921]Marketwatch has walked back some of their claims, now changing it to Caribbean Islands instead of Puerto Rico(partially true, people evac'd from Dominica had to pay). TheHill article headline has been changed to "State not requiring Puerto Rico evacuees to pay transportation costs" And [URL="http://www.snopes.com/is-the-trump-administration-puerto-rico-evacuees/"]Snopes[/URL] did a fact check on the claim: Unproven People from Puerto Rico aren't having their passports stripped from them until they pay the nasty racist Trump Administration.[/QUOTE] Good news if true, but you did just spend the entire thread failing to justify theadministration's hypothetical actions. Why the sudden moving of the goal post from "blaming trump for business as usual" to "blaming trump for things that might not be true"?

[QUOTE=TraderRager;52728535]Good news if true, but you did just spend the entire thread failing to justify theadministration's hypothetical actions. Why the sudden moving of the goal post from "blaming trump for business as usual" to "blaming trump for things that might not be true"?[/QUOTE] it's not moving the goalposts if new information has come to light

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52728567]Also how did he fail? I have my own thoughts on that but I'm curious about yours[/QUOTE] because if, hypothetically, a government was forcing its citizens to repay emergency evacuation fees then that is indefensible in any context, law or not.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52728567]Also how did he fail? I have my own thoughts on that but I'm curious about yours[/QUOTE] He was asserting that this was policy before trump entered office, which is a half truth. This policy was written in law but only to be applied on a discretionary basis. He then argues that it would be reasonable for the state department to charge for transport due to other avalible aid in the area. This ignores the responsibility any government agency has to provide aid to citizens during a state of emergency. On top of that, he used the phrase "baseless white supremacy bullshit". [URL=https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-the-central-park-five.html]I'd hardly say[/URL] [URL=http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/trump-fails-to-condemn-the-alt-right-white-supremacists/index.html]this a baseless[/URL] [URL=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-police-don-t-be-too-nice-suspects-n787646]argument for Trump's[/URL] [URL=http://www.npr.org/2016/06/07/481140881/who-is-judge-gonzalo-curiel-the-man-trump-attacked-for-his-mexican-ancestry]White Supremacist tendencies.[/url]

[QUOTE=TraderRager;52728629]He was asserting that this was policy before trump entered office, which is a half truth. This policy was written in law but only to be applied on a discretionary basis. He then argues that it would be reasonable for the state department to charge for transport due to other avalible aid in the area. This ignores the responsibility any government agency has to provide aid to citizens during a state of emergency. On top of that, he used the phrase "baseless white supremacy bullshit". [URL=https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-the-central-park-five.html]I'd hardly say[/URL] [URL=http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/trump-fails-to-condemn-the-alt-right-white-supremacists/index.html]this a baseless[/URL] [URL=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-police-don-t-be-too-nice-suspects-n787646]argument for Trump's[/URL] [URL=http://www.npr.org/2016/06/07/481140881/who-is-judge-gonzalo-curiel-the-man-trump-attacked-for-his-mexican-ancestry]White Supremacist tendencies.[/url][/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/sheriff-joe-arpaio-donald-trump-pardon/index.html"]That's[/URL] [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/"]only[/URL] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-perpetuated-birther-movement-years/story?id=42138176"]scratching[/URL] [URL="http://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/"]the[/URL] [URL="http://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case"]surface[/URL] [URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/26/nfl-protests-donald-trump-needs-briefing-free-speech-ellis-cose-column/700521001/"]of[/URL] [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/index.html"]his[/URL] [URL="https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html"]bullshit.[/URL] Perhaps assuming off the bat that this was [I]yet another[/I] example of Trump's not-so-subtle sympathies towards white supremacist ideologies was jumping the gun, but there is [B]hardly[/B] an absence of evidence to inform that judgment, and in the absence of any other reasonable explanation it stands as the most likely cause behind any offensively stupid decision that he makes regarding the welfare of people of color. Trump [B]is[/B] a racist and a xenophobe, or (at least) he is willfully courting white supremacist ideology for political expediency. There are no two ways about it. To argue otherwise is simply delusional. Trump has demonstrated over and over again through rhetoric, policy, and action that his vision for a "great" America is a white one.

Simplest proof (among many) for his racism. It took him [B]a day[/B] to condemn literal Nazis in Charlottesville yelling "Jews will not replace us", while also couching it in "yeah but the alt left were also there and THEY didnt have a permit" (they had a permit btw) It took him [B]minutes [/B]to say that the white and black athletes [I]kneeling during the anthem[/I] were "sons of bitches" who "should be fired"

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52726073][url]https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/information/evacuated-citizens.html[/url] Something that's existed before Trump's admin is somehow Trump's fault now :thinking: [URL="https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/emergencies/crisis-support.html"]state dept[/URL][/QUOTE] This is such a weird train of though you hit upon. It was a bad thing when FDR interned japanese american citizens, it would be a bad thing if Trump decided to intern muslim american citizens. Just because there is precedence for something, doesn't make it good or absolve the person who did it of any guilt. [editline]29th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;52729747]Simplest proof (among many) for his racism. It took him [B]a day[/B] to condemn literal Nazis in Charlottesville yelling "Jews will not replace us", while also couching it in "yeah but the alt left were also there and THEY didnt have a permit" (they had a permit btw) It took him [B]minutes [/B]to say that the white and black athletes [I]kneeling during the anthem[/I] were "sons of bitches" who "should be fired"[/QUOTE] Nazis are very fine people dontcha know

[QUOTE=Sableye;52725843]no vote in congress = no representation if they had two senators and a few voting reps this would be a bit different i get that it will take time to send supplies down there, both the airport and sea ports are a mess right now, but this admin is acting like they're someone else's problem when they're fucking americans, step up and stop doing shit like this.[/QUOTE] Whatever happened to no taxation without representation? Not taxes, but eerily close.