Democratic Party Civil War: Liberal group threatens to challenge Democrats with primary fights - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51839342]So if everyone is okay with the Dems doing this, I suppose it's alright for the Tea Party after all, then? I really don't see a different in tactics - replace experienced party members with more radical candidates and require them to object and be uncompromising with any thing and everything the other party suggests simply because it's from the other party.[/QUOTE] Objection for the sake of objection is shitty partisan politics, that is not the same thing as being uncompromising in one's principles. The Establishment Democrats have an integrity problem, big time. Plus, we tried it their way, and we got the Orange Cheeto in return. So yes, run them the fuck out of town and get principled progressives in there who aren't afraid of a fight. Lastly, experienced doesn't automatically mean good. Mitch McConnell is experienced and he's shit. President Obama wasn't nearly as experienced as John McCain and he won in a landslide in 2008 and is hugely popular.

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51839364]Objection for the sake of objection is shitty partisan politics, that is not the same thing as being uncompromising in one's principles. The Establishment Democrats have an integrity problem, big time. Plus, we tried it their way, and we got the Orange Cheeto in return. Lastly, experienced doesn't automatically mean good. Mitch McConnell is experienced and he's shit. President Obama wasn't nearly as experienced as John McCain and he won in a landslide in 2008 and is hugely popular.[/QUOTE] Obama won because Bush Jr ruined the presidency for the Republicans in 2008 with two bloody wars and a gigantic recession. The democrats could have ran anyone and would have won. Also, the purpose of Congress [I]is to compromise.[/I] It is not a tool to which the GOP force feed the entire country their policies, then the Dems force feed the entire country of theirs. The purpose of our government is to have both sides of the issue discuss and debate, then come to a solution that both agree on and make it halfway. Then the GOP started to not compromise on any issue, and now it seems the Democrat's best response is to do the same. This is just going to deadlock Congress even further unless we have one party control both Houses and the presidency, which is pretty much just force feeding us as I already said.

The Democrats are kinda fucked in the short term but the Republicans are long term fucked. It's been a month and Trump's been an absolute trainwreck who hasn't really gotten anything done. And this is supposed to be the honeymoon phase.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51839342]So if everyone is okay with the Dems doing this, I suppose it's alright for the Tea Party after all, then? I really don't see a different in tactics - replace experienced party members with more radical candidates and require them to object and be uncompromising with any thing and everything the other party suggests simply because it's from the other party.[/QUOTE] how is wanting to make the democrats an actual liberal party as bad as the tea party? the motives seem pretty dissimilar

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51839377]Obama won because Bush Jr ruined the presidency for the Republicans in 2008 with two bloody wars and a gigantic recession. The democrats could have ran anyone and would have won. Also, the purpose of Congress [I]is to compromise.[/I] It is not a tool to which the GOP force feed the entire country their policies, then the Dems force feed the entire country of theirs. [B]The purpose of our government is to have both sides of the issue discuss and debate, then come to a solution that both agree on and make it halfway. Then the GOP started to not compromise on any issue, and now it seems the Democrat's best response is to do the same.[/B] This is just going to deadlock Congress even further unless we have one party control both Houses and the presidency, which is pretty much just force feeding us as I already said.[/QUOTE] No argument there. That said, the Dems have tried multiple times to reach out to the GOP and they responded by gridlocking Washington (as you pointed out). The ACA is a Republican piece of legislation, and the Republicans who helped come up with the idea ended up voting [I]against[/I] it, so fuck them. There can't be two sets of rules we go by where the Democrats operate with one hand tied behind their back and the Republicans get to do whatever the hell they want ([B]stalling Merrick Garland for a year and then presuming to push their conservative SCOTUS pick through. [U]Yeah I don't fucking think so[/U][/B]).

Basically if the democrats were smart they would tap into this anger. And with most of the cabinet positions they largely have been uniformly against the appointments.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51839409]Basically if the democrats were smart they would tap into this anger. And with most of the cabinet positions they [B][U]largely[/U][/B] have been uniformly against the appointments.[/QUOTE] Key word there. Joe Manchin wasn't and he is going to get primaried because of it. He's playing for a different team. I agree 100% though, if they were smart they'd ride the populism wave instead of trying to stop it. Establishment Dems are fucking amazing at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

As long as it doesn't turn into the Left-Wing Tea Party I'm fine with this.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51839394]how is wanting to make the democrats an actual liberal party as bad as the tea party? the motives seem pretty dissimilar[/QUOTE] It's not the policies or ideology I'm concerned with, it's the political tactics to get what they want and suppress the opposition's wants at any cost that concerns me.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51839457]It's not the policies or ideology I'm concerned with, it's the political tactics to get what they want and suppress the opposition's wants at any cost that concerns me.[/QUOTE] Count me in as being absolutely in favor of using the Tea Party's tactics against Trump, the Republicans, and any Democrats who don't stand up and fight for progressive principles. As long as we remain issues-focused, painting us an obstructionist, "Tea Partiers of the left" is painting a false equivalency.

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51839481]Count me in as being absolutely in favor of using the Tea Party's tactics against Trump, the Republicans, and any Democrats who don't stand up and fight for progressive principles. As long as we remain issues-focused, painting us an obstructionist, "Tea Partiers of the left" is painting a false equivalency.[/QUOTE] The tactics of the tea party should definitely be used, at least in most cases that they can reasonably be applied. Though there are separate cases for people like Manchin, which should be acknowledged, because West Virginia went over 40+ for Trump, and trying to replace him with someone else period would be incredibly risky for that seat.

Someone told me this was most likely going to happen, and that the Democrats will most likely be unprepared for the next four years, namely because they will not have any central figure to rally upon.

Good, the Democratic party in its current form needs a good clearing out and if that means purging the self-serving corrupt asshats from the party then so be it.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51839457]It's not the policies or ideology I'm concerned with, it's the political tactics to get what they want and suppress the opposition's wants at any cost that concerns me.[/QUOTE] I agree with that, becoming obstructionist and hard-line isn't something that sits well at all with me, but there really doesn't seem to be any other answer. Republicans have been doing the same thing for the past 8 years and they've won, and pretty much nothing has happened to give them any indication to stop. If the democrats were smart they would be blowing up every single media outlet possible about how the GOP has been bullying their way to the top over and over again, and I feel like they've actually been trying to do that for a while, but at this point most people are comfortably sitting in their own echo-chambers and the people who would benefit the most from being informed are actively avoiding everything that could inform them. All that each side can really do now is dig in harder and wait until a third party literally forces them into action or kicks them all out, because compromising is now considered a treasonous activity to the party.

it would sicken me if the same corrupt corporate democrats believe that they've done nothing wrong (blaming it on everything else) and proceed to prop up some other shit candidate that means and stands for nothing; and they actually succeed. I hope this won't be the case, or it's going to be 8 years of trump, and then 8 years of whatever other bumfuck president comes after that, followed by the collapse of modern america.