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[QUOTE=Lonestriper;41335561]Get rid of the death penalty you assholes[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but this opinion always bothered me. As harsh and cruel as the death penalty is, life in prison can often be worse. That, and a life sentence is very costly (the prison system in the states, given how many liberties it takes with the prisoners, is pretty damn expensive.) I think that it should be left up to the convicted individual as to whether or not they want life in prison. For some people, the notion may be worse than death.

Yep, firing squad is definitely the best way. The riflemen don't have a conscience or anything. The death penalty is inhumane, governments exist to protect, not own. [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BananaFoam;41342106]I'm sorry but this opinion always bothered me. As harsh and cruel as the death penalty is, life in prison can often be worse. That, and a life sentence is very costly (the prison system in the states, given how many liberties it takes with the prisoners, is pretty damn expensive.) I think that it should be left up to the convicted individual as to whether or not they want life in prison. For some people, the notion may be worse than death.[/QUOTE]Let's just throw rehabilitation out the window while we're at it!

[QUOTE=xxMarathonxx;41337499]And it should only be for people are PROVEN guilty and not be wrongfully executed.[/QUOTE] How is that different than the current method? Do you think when the execute a wrongfully convicted people on purpose? [editline]6th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BananaFoam;41342106]I'm sorry but this opinion always bothered me. As harsh and cruel as the death penalty is, life in prison can often be worse. That, and a life sentence is very costly (the prison system in the states, given how many liberties it takes with the prisoners, is pretty damn expensive.) I think that it should be left up to the convicted individual as to whether or not they want life in prison. For some people, the notion may be worse than death.[/QUOTE] Death penalty is more expensive than life in prison.

[QUOTE=GunFox;41336956]Generally there would only be one blank. The rest would be live rounds. Anyways, just fucking ban executions already. The justice system will never be 100 percent accurate, and one innocent death through the execution system is too many. Execution is revenge, plain and simple, and revenge is not justice.[/QUOTE] Anyone handling a gun though would or should know how to check everything to make sure it's functional and you can plain as day tell the difference between a blank and a real bullet.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;41337226]Yeah, won't someone think of the poor kidnappers, murderers and rapists...[/QUOTE] Yes, we take into account both the victim and the offender. If we only took the victim into account, we might as well bring back the stretching rack and other torture methods.

I think there's a lot of practical reasons to be against the death penalty, but I think distinguishing the morality of killing someone and locking them in a tiny room until they die is splitting hairs.

I really think they should just get rid of execution all together. Why? The thought of spending the rest of my life in a high security prison is a far more terrifying thought than being killed. As said before, the justice system is never 100% accurate. We can't bring people back from the dead yet, we can take them out of prison.

[QUOTE=Animosus;41344522]I really think they should just get rid of execution all together. Why? The thought of spending the rest of my life in a high security prison is a far more terrifying thought than being killed. As said before, the justice system is never 100% accurate. We can't bring people back from the dead yet, we can take them out of prison.[/QUOTE] I dunno about you but the thought of getting out of jail would be kinda nice. And unless you have multiple life sentences, good behaviour would make that happen. But once you're dead, you're dead.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;41337928]Because god forbid we be cruel to those on death row that have been absolutely proven of their crimes.[/QUOTE] The justice system isn't in place to satisfy your revenge urges. Also for all those saying that spending life in a max sec prison is even worse: Yeah you won't be free ever again, but if you mean that it has shit living conditions and you'll get raped in the showers, then that's not how it is supposed to be and that should be fixed along with the removal of death penalty. Reformation, not punishment.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;41345201]I dunno about you but the thought of getting out of jail would be kinda nice. And unless you have multiple life sentences, good behaviour would make that happen. But once you're dead, you're dead.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much how our prison system is expected to rehabilitate people. I say we get rid of the death penalty and instead when we have people who are beyond a doubt the perpetrator of a unjustified, incredibly violent crime and believed to be unable to be rehabilitated we take some land out in Nevada or Alaska, wall it off, and leave those people there. At the point it's their choice to try to work together to ensure survival or kill each other on the spot, and we won't have to pay tax for those who grossly refused to participate in the civility of society.

[QUOTE=spiritlol;41345411]That's pretty much how our prison system is expected to rehabilitate people. I say we get rid of the death penalty and instead when we have people who are beyond a doubt the perpetrator of a unjustified, incredibly violent crime and believed to be unable to be rehabilitated we take some land out in Nevada or Alaska, wall it off, and leave those people there. At the point it's their choice to try to work together to ensure survival or kill each other on the spot, and we won't have to pay tax for those who grossly refused to participate in the civility of society.[/QUOTE] And then you get a cable network to put up cameras, get some sponsors in on this shit, and broadcast it on payperview.

[QUOTE=Hellduck;41339405]because its not an effective deterrent[/QUOTE] Opposed to what? A 3 star hotel with cable tv and psychotherapy like you guys want for rehabilitation? Yeah scary... [QUOTE=Hellduck;41339405]leaves no opportunity for reform[/QUOTE] Not everyone can be reformed and not everyone should. Some people gave up on being human. [QUOTE=Hellduck;41339405]and has no allowance for miscarriages of justice[/QUOTE] Then make the procedure require indisputable proof? And if the standards of certainty are not met, then he gets life instead of death. [QUOTE=Dori;41340993]you should be against the death penalty because of governments asserting that they own the lives of their citizens[/QUOTE] But it's a social agreement. "If you do this and that, you give up your life. Don't do that." It's not government killing anyone they want. It's the person being aware of the punishment and doing it anyway. You might as well be against imprisonment because "government can't assert they own people's freedom" or even tickets because "government can't assert they own people's money". [QUOTE=Ban Evasion Alt;41338358]Yeah, like all these guys! [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates#United_States[/URL][/QUOTE] Oh look there are barely any people on that list convicted after year 2000. I guess the technology is evolving and we can tell with more certainty who's guilty and who's not. But hey, we fucked it up in the past, there's no way it could work now. I mean just look at airplanes, they were pretty unreliable in the past, surely we can't make them work now.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41345654]Not everyone can be reformed and not everyone should. Some people gave up on being human.[/quote] i fucking love the smell of pseudopsychology in the morning

[QUOTE=spiritlol;41345411]That's pretty much how our prison system is expected to rehabilitate people. I say we get rid of the death penalty and instead when we have people who are beyond a doubt the perpetrator of a unjustified, incredibly violent crime and believed to be unable to be rehabilitated we take some land out in Nevada or Alaska, wall it off, and leave those people there. At the point it's their choice to try to work together to ensure survival or kill each other on the spot, and we won't have to pay tax for those who grossly refused to participate in the civility of society.[/QUOTE] We're not barbarians guys! Instead of just killing psychopaths, just take those we prove to be guilty to a huge walled off land and let them starve to death, die of exposure or fuck each other up!

[QUOTE=Desuh;41337392]What about false convictions?[/QUOTE] Well you see, sometimes you have to crack a few innocent eggs to make a justice omelet.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41346071]We're not barbarians guys! Instead of just killing psychopaths, just take those we prove to be guilty to a huge walled off land and let them starve to death, die of exposure or fuck each other up![/QUOTE] So send them to Detroit?

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;41336889]The useful thing about a firing squad is you don't have to give one guy the responsibility of killing someone. With beheading you have to find a person willing to take another's life and live with it. For a firing squad you just have to hire 4-5 guys and tell them all they're going to have blanks and it's the man next to them who has the real bullet. That way they don't even know who actually did the execution, less guilt. Also a lot less blood flying everywhere.[/QUOTE] The thing about blanks is that an experienced shooter can tell the difference between live rounds and duds with ease. The blanks offer nowhere near the kick that a live round would.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41345654]Opposed to what? A 3 star hotel with cable tv and psychotherapy like you guys want for rehabilitation? Yeah scary... Not everyone can be reformed and not everyone should. Some people gave up on being human. Then make the procedure require indisputable proof? And if the standards of certainty are not met, then he gets life instead of death. [/QUOTE] I didn't say prison was an effective deterrent, but one of the first arguments used in defence of the death penalty is that it's effective. But there's no harm in trying. And I disagree that not everyone should. And they already do that now, crimes have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41345654]But it's a social agreement. "If you do this and that, you give up your life. Don't do that." It's not government killing anyone they want. It's the person being aware of the punishment and doing it anyway. You might as well be against imprisonment because "government can't assert they own people's freedom" or even tickets because "government can't assert they own people's money".[/QUOTE] What a ridiculous justification. Would torturing prisoners be okay too if it was a "social agreement"?

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;41335561]Get rid of the death penalty you assholes[/QUOTE] Yes get rid of it and bill the rapists, serial murderers and pedophiles upkeep to mr lonestriper.

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41347311]Yes get rid of it and bill the rapists, serial murderers and pedophiles upkeep to mr lonestriper.[/QUOTE] It's currently more expensive to execute someone.

[QUOTE=MasterFen006;41335550]Didn't they think of alternatives like the electric chair?[/QUOTE] Didn't they think of alternatives, like human dignity?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41345654]Then make the procedure require indisputable proof? And if the standards of certainty are not met, then he gets life instead of death.[/QUOTE] they already do this and it's exactly why it costs so much. you're wasting money and risking innocent lives on literally 100% pointless bullshit

ok sure it's better to rehabilitate, but the current system clearly doesn't do that well and everyone's acting as if it did

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;41347825]ok sure it's better to rehabilitate, but the current system clearly doesn't do that well and everyone's acting as if it did[/QUOTE] Because the current system that the us employs is still focused on retribution. Look at Norway's in comparison, and compare the recidivism rate.

so shouldn't a system like that be a more of a priority? it'd save a lot more lives, in the bigger sense. not saying keep the death penalty, but it seems like it shouldn't be the first thing to be done.

Actually we should drop the jucidal system altogether and let the people murder eachother while we are at it

Get rid of death penalty, just torture them and make them suffer. Cut them and stuff, yeah, I'm messed up.

[QUOTE=xVENUSx;41348353]Get rid of death penalty, just torture them and make them suffer. Cut them and stuff, yeah, I'm messed up.[/QUOTE] oh, oh careful guys you dont wanna mess with this one

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41347311]Yes get rid of it and bill the rapists, serial murderers and pedophiles upkeep to mr lonestriper.[/QUOTE] I went ahead and factored in pesky facts, to adjust your argument Would you like the savings passed on to mr. lonestriper [editline]7th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=xVENUSx;41348353]Get rid of death penalty, just torture them and make them suffer. Cut them and stuff, yeah, I'm messed up.[/QUOTE] lol we can cut them on your posts