‘Machinery of Death’: Gas chamber may be revived in Missouri - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41347311]Yes get rid of it and bill the rapists, serial murderers and pedophiles upkeep to mr lonestriper.[/QUOTE] What is the difference between a rapist and a pedophile? One hasn't necessarily committed a crime.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;41346000]i fucking love the smell of pseudopsychology in the morning[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Hellduck;41346969]But there's no harm in trying. And I disagree that not everyone should.[/QUOTE] Do you really think that people like Carl Eugene Watts want to be part of the society? Or if they can at all? And what do you mean there's no harm in trying? If you fail to rehabilitate someone and let them out, you've just killed innocent people. [QUOTE=Hellduck;41346969]I didn't say prison was an effective deterrent, but one of the first arguments used in defence of the death penalty is that it's effective.[/QUOTE] I bet it's more effective than long vacation in 3 star hotel with cable tv and psychotherapy. [QUOTE=Hellduck;41346969]And they already do that now, crimes have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cone;41347595]they already do this and it's exactly why it costs so much. you're wasting money and risking innocent lives on literally 100% pointless bullshit[/QUOTE] If the evidence required for death sentence has to be indisputable then there's no risking innocent lives. At best it might be wasting money. But death penalty should be used only in special cases. Even if the procedure would be expensive it wouldn't be much of a problem. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;41347297]What a ridiculous justification. Would torturing prisoners be okay too if it was a "social agreement"?[/QUOTE] Tell me is taking someone against their will from their home and putting them in a cage for years okay? No? Well that's the social agreement we have. We have decided as a society (through politicians) what happens to those of us who break the law. If you break the law and go to prison, it was by your own doing. Nobody has put you in there but yourself. You knew the punishment and you did it anyway. It was a risk you took by your own will. If you don't want to be punished, don't break the law.

[video=youtube;Aj8Lj2CXu9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj8Lj2CXu9k[/video] You guys should check this out its a pretty interesting documentary which goes over the most used execution methods and possible alternative way to execute prisoners in the most humane way

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41349135]Do you really think that people like Carl Eugene Watts want to be part of the society? Or if they can at all? And what do you mean there's no harm in trying? If you fail to rehabilitate someone and let them out, you've just killed innocent people.[/QUOTE] it's not like they just let them out all willy-nilly, it's a system of constant mental evaluation that sometimes takes up more than half of someone's whole life. i think that's more than enough time to have them all figured out [QUOTE=Silly Sil;41349135]I bet it's more effective than long vacation in 3 star hotel with cable tv and psychotherapy.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933722.html"]how much you want to bet on that?[/URL] America has a 67% recidivism rate - if your "scare em straight tactic" were oh so effective, shouldn't the rate be much, much lower? also, the US' horrible prison system leads pretty much directly to a lot of prisoners getting horribly raped and having nowhere to turn to for help, so idk how exactly that's supposed to be a good thing. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;41349135]If the evidence required for death sentence has to be indisputable then there's no risking innocent lives. At best it might be wasting money. But death penalty should be used only in special cases. Even if the procedure would be expensive it wouldn't be much of a problem.[/QUOTE] but why do you actually NEED to spend this extra money in the first place? give me objective facts

[QUOTE=Cone;41350758]it's not like they just let them out all willy-nilly, it's a system of constant mental evaluation that sometimes takes up more than half of someone's whole life. i think that's more than enough time to have them all figured out[/QUOTE] If you people can make an argument "so what he's proven guilty, look at the list of how many people were wrongly convicted (and I'm gonna ignore that the technology moved forward and you need indisputable proof now)", I can make an argument "but what if" you let someone go thinking he's rehabilitated and kills again? Also humans are not robots. Someone can be fine but a month later something triggers him and something horrible happens. Also how is it justice if you take a serial killer, "cure" him of his insanity and make him live a happy life while the families of his victims are fucked up for life? [QUOTE=Cone;41350758][URL="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933722.html"]how much you want to bet on that?[/URL] America has a 67% recidivism rate - if your "scare em straight tactic" were oh so effective, shouldn't the rate be much, much lower? also, the US' horrible prison system leads pretty much directly to a lot of prisoners getting horribly raped and having nowhere to turn to for help, so idk how exactly that's supposed to be a good thing.[/QUOTE] Hold on. You're making a comparison but you're showing only one thing? How does that work? You're basically going, "so this thing doesn't work very well, that means the alternative will work much better". And about the shit prison system in US... so when something is broken you have to throw it away and replace it with something new? You can't change the existing thing? Prisons in US are much like islands where criminals are dumped and do whatever the fuck they want, for instance raping people. I'm not saying it's a good system. It certainly needs fixing, but I wouldn't say it needs replacing. The general idea is good, isolate people who hurt others and punish them by temporarily taking away their freedom. You just fucked up somewhere along the way. [QUOTE=Cone;41350758]but why do you actually NEED to spend this extra money in the first place? give me objective facts[/QUOTE] Because that's what they deserve? It's justice. You've been proven guilty of raping, torturing and killing 50 people and you're happy about it? Okay I guess you deserve a second chance at living a happy life... And why do you need to spend money on [B]trying [/B]to rehabilitate complete nutjobs incapable of living in a society?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;41345654]Oh look there are barely any people on that list convicted after year 2000. I guess the technology is evolving and we can tell with more certainty who's guilty and who's not. But hey, we fucked it up in the past, there's no way it could work now. I mean just look at airplanes, they were pretty unreliable in the past, surely we can't make them work now.[/QUOTE] That's close to fucking half of the entire list, that is not barely you maniac. Did you not read the article? I know you have this aversion to critical thinking or making sense, but we can't hold your hand through all of this. [editline]8th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=xVENUSx;41348353]Get rid of death penalty, just torture them and make them suffer. Cut them and stuff, yeah, I'm messed up.[/QUOTE] Did someone knock your juice box over today or something?

[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;41336942][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation[/url] If we're going to have capital punishment, I don't see why we wouldn't do it using the above method. It's the only method I can think which is painless, guaranteed to work every time and also doesn't leave much of a mess.[/QUOTE] And if you use helium of sulfer hexaflouride they get to sound hilarious in the end giving everyone a good laugh

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;41339522]may i ask, why is facepunch against death penalty? surely many people would find it better to die than to live their whole lives in a cell?[/QUOTE] I don't think people should spend their lives in a cell, I think that people should be rehabilitated to the best of society's ability. Every criminal commits a crime for a reason. Saying 'what about the people who can't be rehabilitated?' is irrelevant. The inability of the system to rehabilitate a criminal means that either the system needs to be improved or the sciences of rehabilitation need to be further researched. It does not mean that we should start hooking people up to an electric chair. Research, revision, reason, and empathetic thought are the keys to a successful and productive society, not washing our hands of the downtrodden and misunderstood.

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