Congressman Steve King under fire for xenophobic remarks - Polidicks

[QUOTE=1239the;51950993]politics is really fucking weird these days[/QUOTE] "But Jon isn't alt right" they said.. As for what King said, it is practically the 14 words but watered down

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51951204]The fact that you've boiled all of islam/muslim people to hurr durr sharia law!!!!11111!1!!!! is absolutely fucking racist. That would be like saying you don't want blacks to enter canada because you don't want them forcing people to eat fried food.[/QUOTE] Except blacks don't force people to eat fried food in the west. Lots of muslims who come to america force their families to do things that are unacceptable in america, and only acceptable in parts that use sharia law. To compare the two makes no sense. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racial stereotyping" - Reagy))[/highlight]

tehMuffinMan have you seen any historical movie about New York like ever??

[QUOTE=sannys;51951218][B]Except blacks don't force people to eat fried food in the west.[/B] Lots of muslims who come to america force their families to do things that are unacceptable in america, and only acceptable in parts that use sharia law. To compare the two makes no sense.[/QUOTE] "im not racist" I know a muslim and he has yet to behead me for eating bacon so..

[QUOTE=sannys;51951218][B]Except blacks don't force people to eat fried food[/B] in the west. Lots of muslims who come to america force their families to do things that are unacceptable in america, and only acceptable in parts that use sharia law. To compare the two makes no sense.[/QUOTE] so you're just going to glaze past the posts pointing out the sweeping generalizations you and the t-rex comic are making i guess countering challenges to your viewpoint is hard

[QUOTE=sannys;51951218]Except blacks don't force people to eat fried food in the west. Lots of muslims who come to america force their families to do things that are unacceptable in america, and only acceptable in parts that use sharia law. To compare the two makes no sense.[/QUOTE] This is such a sweeping generalization, that I'm doubting that you've ever interacted with a Muslim in your life sans a brisk bump. Seriously, how do people even foster these mindsets? No Christian radicalism? You're fruitlessly dense.

[QUOTE=sannys;51951218]Except blacks don't force people to eat fried food in the west. Lots of muslims who come to america force their families to do things that are unacceptable in america, and only acceptable in parts that use sharia law. To compare the two makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Can you give numbers on "lots of muslims"

[QUOTE=sannys;51951218]Except blacks don't force people to eat fried food in the west. Lots of muslims who come to america force their families to do things that are unacceptable in america, and only acceptable in parts that use sharia law. To compare the two makes no sense.[/QUOTE] You have a really weird definition of "radical" if it includes "members of conservative cultures pressuring other members of the same conservative culture to abide by certain customs"

[QUOTE=sannys;51951218]Except blacks don't force people to eat fried food in the west. Lots of muslims who come to america force their families to do things that are unacceptable in america, and only acceptable in parts that use sharia law. To compare the two makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Proof? My dad's family is from Iran. Our family doesn't "do things that are unacceptable in America". Neither does our ethnic community. We [i]do[/i] push our kids to get college educations (education is hugely important to Iranians), we push them to get good jobs that are meaningful and actually have an important role in the world, we try to convince them to make as much money as they can, we try to make sure that they marry healthy and fit people, etc.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51951235]Can you give numbers on "lots of muslims"[/QUOTE] You want me to recall how many muslims I've seen at my local masjid who wanted to take their hijab off but would be scolded for doing so? Is that what you're asking me? [QUOTE=Omilinon;51951232]This is such a sweeping generalization, that I'm doubting that you've ever interacted with a Muslim in your life sans a brisk bump. Seriously, how do people even foster these mindsets? No Christian radicalism? You're fruitlessly dense.[/QUOTE] I was born a muslim. I attended islamic school. My entire family are muslims. Just last week I was at a wedding with my very muslim extended family. They're fantastic people, and I love them very much. But please, do go on about how clueless I am about islam. [QUOTE=Govna;51951267]Proof? My dad's family is from Iran. Our family doesn't "do things that are unacceptable in America". Neither does our ethnic community. We [i]do[/i] push our kids to get college educations (education is hugely important to Iranians), we push them to get good jobs that are meaningful and actually have an important role in the world, we try to convince them to make as much money as they can, we try to make sure that they marry healthy and fit people, etc.[/QUOTE] Yes, this is similar to my family, but there is nothing wrong with that. The problem comes to things like women being forced to wear hijabs. [editline]![/editline] And also not being able to drive cars.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51951286]Are you really resorting to a "I know a black guy" defence? :freakout:[/QUOTE] it is kinda different if he actually grew up muslim tho

[QUOTE=sannys;51951282]You want me to recall how many muslims I've seen at my local masjid who wanted to take their hijab off but would be scolded for doing so? Is that what you're asking me? I was born a muslim. I attended islamic school. My entire family are muslims. Just last week I was at a wedding with my very muslim extended family. They're fantastic people, and I love them very much. But please, do go on about how clueless I am about islam. Yes, this is similar to my family, but there is nothing wrong with that. The problem comes to things like women being forced to wear hijabs.[/QUOTE] Your anecdotal evidence mean nothing.

I think sannys deserves have at least some credence given to his lived experience, since any belief that's deeply held is built on lived experience. I'd just like to point out that his cultural cringe is far from uncommon. Lord knows that there are a lot of atheists who grew up in Christian families and ended up virulently anti-Christian, a number of them ended up on Facepunch.

[QUOTE=sannys;51951282]I was born a muslim. I attended islamic school. My entire family are muslims. Just last week I was at a wedding with my very muslim extended family. They're fantastic people, and I love them very much. But please, do go on about how clueless I am about islam.[/QUOTE] you don't convince me that you've got a well-traversed view of the world and its cultures by telling me about how much black people love fried food only one page ago

[QUOTE=bitches;51951336]you don't convince me that you've got a well-traversed view of the world and its cultures by telling me about how much black people love fried food only one page ago[/QUOTE] why you making me defend this guy, that was a joke that vodkavia made, not him

[QUOTE=sannys;51951282]You want me to recall how many muslims I've seen at my local masjid who wanted to take their hijab off but would be scolded for doing so? Is that what you're asking me? [/QUOTE] So no numbers then? Just personal experiences?

[QUOTE=sannys;51951282]You want me to recall how many muslims I've seen at my local masjid who wanted to take their hijab off but would be scolded for doing so? Is that what you're asking me? I was born a muslim. I attended islamic school. My entire family are muslims. Just last week I was at a wedding with my very muslim extended family. They're fantastic people, and I love them very much. But please, do go on about how clueless I am about islam. [/QUOTE] If you could, what denomination of Islam are you, and what country does your family originate from, if you're comfortable with the question? For instance, in the many places I've prayed in Chicago, only a few have ever vehemently enforced a hijab-only policy, and those places also required men to wear full traditional dress at all times as well. Even the Mosque Maryam allowed women to remove their hijabs for a moment in time.

[QUOTE=sannys;51951282]Yes, this is similar to my family, but there is nothing wrong with that. The problem comes to things like women being forced to wear hijabs. [editline]![/editline] And also not being able to drive cars.[/QUOTE] Cool, but this isn't happening. Not with us or our community. The odd fundamentalist does not equate to there being an actual problem here. Fundamentalist Christians on the other hand... it's funny that there's so many of them in the United States causing serious problems, yet nobody ever talks about the need to deal with them. They force their kids to believe weird shit (Earth is 6,000 years old, everything was made in seven days, men and dinosaurs lived together, evolution doesn't exist and God created everything exactly as it is, etc.), force them to pray, threaten them with Hell if they don't obey them, they throw them out of their houses if they come out as gay or renounce their religion, etc.

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51951166]nation of european christian immigrants pre 1960s, the usa wasn't always a cesspool of vastly different cultures[/QUOTE] For future reference if you use the words melting pot instead of cesspool you won't sound like as much of a white supremacist

[QUOTE=sannys;51951218]Except blacks don't force people to eat fried food in the west. Lots of muslims who come to america force their families to do things that are unacceptable in america, and only acceptable in parts that use sharia law. To compare the two makes no sense. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racial stereotyping" - Reagy))[/highlight][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sannys;51951154]Lots of muslims come into the country and then want to implant their own religious ideals into the host country's systems. The comic shows him plugging the hole to stop even more of them coming and using their religion to influence the country. You don't need to be a terrorist to be a radical. Explain what reasoning? Mine or his? And he's not stereotyping muslims as a whole, he's stereotyping radical muslims.[/QUOTE] [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Evangeliza%C3%A7%C3%A3o.jpg[/img] "Excuse me have you heard of our lord and saviour Jesus Christ?" [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Martin_Rautanen_i_Olukonda_1899.jpg[/img] "Let's civilize the fuck out of this region and make them all christian. Remember, no condoms allowed."

A statement like "we can't rebuild civilization with somebody else's babies" crosses the line from typical not-quite-xenophobic conservatism to full on stormfront shit.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51951195]The chinese that built the transcontinental railway, all the black people brought in as slaves, the native americans who lived there before america's founding and the japanese that were interned in camps during WWII would all like to have a word with you.[/QUOTE] i'm not arguing that they didn't exist, but that the usa's population pre-1965 was nowhere near as diverse as modern demographics. there were tight restrictions on non-european immigration to the usa pre-1965 and because of this the contributions and population of europeans outweighed others. non-european immigrants definitely played a role, but to say that the country was built on them is an overstatement [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Sq7bsVU.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51951560]i'm not arguing that they didn't exist, but that the usa's population pre-1965 was nowhere near as diverse as modern demographics. there were tight restrictions on non-european immigration to the usa pre-1965 and because of this the contributions and population of europeans outweighed others.[/QUOTE] now that you're back in this thread, could you elaborate on how multiculturalism is a "cesspool"?

[QUOTE=bitches;51951575]now that you're back in this thread, could you elaborate on how multiculturalism is a "cesspool"?[/QUOTE] i've never seen large-scale multiculturalism as desirable or necessary, i believe it can have negative effects on social cohesion if you could enlighten me i'm open to it

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51951658]i've never seen large-scale multiculturalism as desirable or necessary, i believe it can have negative effects on social cohesion if you could enlighten me i'm open to it[/QUOTE] could you elaborate on how other cultures are inherently harmful, as is your claim? because it sounds like you're saying [I]your[/I] culture is the only good culture

[QUOTE=bitches;51951683]could you elaborate on how other cultures are inherently harmful, as is your claim? because it sounds like you're saying [I]your[/I] culture is the only good culture[/QUOTE] my last post wasn't rhetorical, i'm not exactly asking to be persecuted so you can lure me into a le ebin zinger and i've not claimed other cultures are inherently harmful

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51951698]my last post wasn't rhetorical, i'm not exactly asking to be persecuted so you can lure me into a le ebin zinger and i've not claimed other cultures are inherently harmful[/QUOTE] you said that introducing other cultures to your own results in a "cesspool" your views are pretty obvious

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51951658]i've never seen large-scale multiculturalism as desirable or necessary, i believe it can have negative effects on social cohesion if you could enlighten me i'm open to it[/QUOTE] In my view multiculturalism isn't about being desirable or necessary, it's a natural consequence of people being free to move and live where they please, which I think they should have the right to do.

[QUOTE=1239the;51950993]politics is really fucking weird these days[/QUOTE] Jontron's really getting in there.

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;51951166]nation of european christian immigrants pre 1960s, the usa wasn't always a cesspool of vastly different cultures[/QUOTE] I hope you're only just going through an edgy phase because it would feel weird sleeping in the same house as a racist.