Irving 9th-grader arrested after taking homemade clock to school: 'So you tried to make a bomb?' - Polidicks

Holy fuck what kind of fearmongering is this, I hope that Council of American-Islamic Relations slap the shit out of that school and pd. I won't be surprised if the kid turns away from engineering because these hairbrained fucks see Osama Bin Laden around every corner. Edit: oh turns out he is getting some gnarly acknowledgement from the president amongst others. Good on him, i still hope he kicks the pd's ass for this.

[QUOTE=Elspin;48696853]It's not fucking reasonable, we need to shake the idea that any exposed circuit boards are somehow bombs. Practically every electronic device looks vaguely similar to the technology illiterate and it's barbaric that an educational institution is assuming that anything electronic is a bomb. [thumb]http://i39.tinypic.com/1zp5szt.jpg[/thumb] [/QUOTE] If you think IED's look only like that, then you are way behind on intelligence reports. An IED could be placed in anything, including in something disguised as a clock.

[QUOTE=Richardroth;48696182]Bet the assholes at the school as well as the police feel really fucking stupid now. He has the President on his side, that speaks volumes.[/QUOTE] Of course President Barack [B]Hussein[/B] Obama would support him! Don't you see he's just recalling his agent from a failed mission?

I could make a lot of electronics look like a bomb by opening it up and if I was a Muslim, I can understand some of the apprehension but it should of ended their instead of trying to charge him with a bomb hoax lmao.

Unfortunately, the public school system tends to be staffed by sub-par people. Not everyone. But enough to make my experience going through it pretty horrid. I was accused of attempting to make bombs or bomb threats to at public school twice. Once in elementary. I had just watched Home Alone 3, so I was talking to some other kids about it. Apparently, some parent contacted school officials and said I was preparing to bomb the school. This was before 9/11 and all that but after Columbine. So I got pulled into the principle's office and had to basically do in-school suspension there for the rest of the day. The second time was in high school. In Spanish class we had a open ended art project. I ended up drawing Green Day dookie bomb (album art) with the school as the subject. They had school security remove me from class the next time I was there (it was every other day). Very public about it. Then I was saw the vice-principle and he threatened me with alternative school and had me sent to in-school suspension for a week. Another odd incident that happened was I was doing a project with the aid of a computer in high school. A website caused the anti-virus (Norton) to come up. I allowed it to scan the computer. The teacher in the class room thought I was hacking the computer. I was sent to the vice-principle and he threatened again to send to me to alternative school and then had me spend a day in in-school suspension. If I ever have kids I will do my best to avoid having them go to public schools. At least in this area. Its just horrid how bad they are and they don't care. I'll home school them if I have to.

[QUOTE=Elspin;48696853]It's not fucking reasonable, we need to shake the idea that any exposed circuit boards are somehow bombs. Practically every electronic device looks vaguely similar to the technology illiterate and it's barbaric that an educational institution is assuming that anything electronic is a bomb. [thumb]http://i39.tinypic.com/1zp5szt.jpg[/thumb] This is an actual IED. Guess which part is actually a bomb, the explosive cannister or the miscellaneous wires and electronics? Not to mention the fact that the officer said some racist shit about expecting it was him despite him having no record of ever causing trouble[/QUOTE] You can make an IED out of pretty much anything if you know what you're doing. Insurgents like to use tracfones because they make a very simple remote detonator. The only reasonable explanation for having a comically large display on your IED would be if you [I]wanted[/I] to make a Hollywood bomb where you see the timer count down.

[QUOTE=Saxon;48691823]Why are public schools run by retards?[/QUOTE] The education union

[QUOTE=Code3Response;48696875]If you think IED's look only like that, then you are way behind on intelligence reports. An IED could be placed in anything, including in something disguised as a clock.[/QUOTE] Nowhere in my post did I make any suggestion that all IEDs look like that, only that that is one example of an actual IED. Skipping over the hilarious suggestion that you need to read "intelligence reports" to see what various IEDs look like (seriously?), they all have something in common - explosives in them. While plenty of IEDs could be stored in a container similar to the one he used, they all require an actual explosive not just circuits. I mean they clearly weren't alarmed enough to evacuate anybody, and the notion that he'd make a bomb and then show it off in class is just comical.

[QUOTE=pentium;48696460]It looks like the guts of a generic alarm clock put in a small carrying case. I was expecting something with an arduino. A touch disappointed but still rather cool.[/QUOTE] I feel like it's more impressive that he build his own clock rather than rely on an arduino to keep time Hell, what would using an arduino even add? All I can imagine is a waste of an arduino.

Yeah, if there was actual concern that it was a bomb, they would've evacuated the school and blown it up with a robot. However in the press release it explicitly says "Bomb infrastructure" so it sounds like they were more concerned about it being a detonator for a bomb, and not an actual bomb itself. As to why a kid would go around showing people the bomb hes building, I have no idea.

[QUOTE=OvB;48696927]You can make an IED out of pretty much anything if you know what you're doing. Insurgents like to use tracfones because they make a very simple remote detonator. The only reasonable explanation for having a comically large display on your IED would be if you [I]wanted[/I] to make a Hollywood bomb where you see the timer count down.[/QUOTE] Could be worse. He could've been carring a bowling ball with a string and get arrested because it looked like a cartoon bomb.

[I]Technically[/I] any clock could count as "bomb infrastructure" though. I'm curious what the cut off point for such a thing is.

[QUOTE=OvB;48696974]Yeah, if there was actual concern that it was a bomb, they would've evacuated the school and blown it up with a robot. However in the press release it explicitly says "Bomb infrastructure" so it sounds like they were more concerned about it being a detonator for a bomb, and not an actual bomb itself. As to why a kid would go around showing people the bomb hes building, I have no idea.[/QUOTE] The only thing they should be concerning themselves with in terms of bomb infastructure is the explosive part themselves. I mean there's about a billion ways you could make a simple timer without any kind of circuit board which would be way easier for a highschooler to pull off. All they're doing by targeting various circuit board looking things is harming future electrical engineers with paranoia.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48696938]The education union[/QUOTE] This is false. While you may think that since the union is trying to support teachers, they would try to stop teachers from being fired, when you really think about it that make zero sense whatsoever. Unions are made up of people of that particular trade, whether or not the are employed and unemployed. Why the fuck would unemployed teacher try to stop employed teachers from being fired? Hell, even employed teachers likely wouldn't stand up for that teacher simply because that teacher is sub-par. The more likely explanation is that there just isn't enough good teachers to go around to everyone, not to mention it's not helped by the fact that the really good teachers go to private schools, IE places that have a shit load of money. So unfortunately, unless schools have some good funding, a lot of them are basically forced to hire a few sub-par teachers.

I got suspended for dressing up like a terrorist to high school. I was dressed as a droog from Clockwork Orange.....

[QUOTE=Code3Response;48696794]The school has 0 authority, nor would it want the liability, to determine if its a bomb or clock. I think its right that the police got involved, but not ok that its gotten so far to where the kid had to be taken in. It would take 30 seconds to open the thing up and investigate. If he came in with the clock built into a small housing and not a case with wires and shit coming out of it, there would never have been an issue to begin with. In high school I built stupid electronics and clocks and whatever else I could find schematics for. STEM is great and more need to be involved with it... That being said, you come in with a briefcase full of electronics into an already assbackwards Texas public school, you're going to be met with the "see something, say something" attitude. [editline]16th September 2015[/editline] Heres the press release [t]https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12003373_891840287566410_3211733595219729671_n.jpg?oh=13c8fd0c6055e0d9a83da8a051c0eeeb&oe=566E697A[/t] [t]https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12019935_891840307566408_573802288680078152_n.jpg?oh=f6a9b6ab09361ae40b0ea0c27f6e2908&oe=5667A740[/t][/QUOTE] [quote]"The student would only say it was a clock and was not forthcoming at that time about any other details"[/quote] What other fucking details was he supposed to give. IT'S A FUCKING CLOCK.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48697021]This is false. While you may think that since the union is trying to support teachers, they would try to stop teachers from being fired, when you really think about it that make zero sense whatsoever. Unions are made up of people of that particular trade, whether or not the are employed and unemployed. Why the fuck would unemployed and also even employed teachers try to stop an employed teacher from being fired for being sub-par?[/QUOTE] Because they care more about their well being than the well being of the children they're supposed to teach. It costs more money to even TRY to fire a teacher whether they're bad or not, so in the end, school systems, most famously New York's ([url]http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/08/31/the-rubber-room[/url]) just send them away to a place to do nothing and wait for them to quit, if ever. The education union is also notorious for going after charter schools partially because the teachers at charter schools are usually not in the union. Then they claim that charter schools are "private schools" to demonize them and justify their attacks on them.

Seems like whenever anyone sees some custom electronics someone built they automatically assume the worst from knee-jerk reactions instead of actually investigating what it does. This poor kid should be absolved of all charges, a brilliant young kid with an interest in EE. Lightyears smarter than any of the authorities who run the fucking school.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;48697166]Seems like whenever anyone sees some custom electronics someone built they automatically assume the worst from knee-jerk reactions instead of actually investigating what it does. This poor kid should be absolved of all charges, a brilliant young kid with an interest in EE. Lightyears smarter than any of the authorities who run the fucking school.[/QUOTE] all he did was take apart an old alarm clock and stuff it into a case lol

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;48697166]Seems like whenever anyone sees some custom electronics someone built they automatically assume the worst from knee-jerk reactions instead of actually investigating what it does. This poor kid should be absolved of all charges, a brilliant young kid with an interest in EE. Lightyears smarter than any of the authorities who run the fucking school.[/QUOTE] Well he was never charged with a crime, so its hard to be absolved of the charges

[QUOTE=Kigen;48696905]If I ever have kids I will do my best to avoid having them go to public schools. At least in this area. Its just horrid how bad they are and they don't care. I'll home school them if I have to.[/QUOTE] If I ever have kids and they got caught up in this kind of shit, I will fight tooth and nail to knock some sense into whatever dipshit teacher decided to fuck with my kid. My parents did the same for me when I got into trouble. Hell, if it weren't for my parents, my dad in particular, I could have been caught up in the same kind of kangaroo court this poor kid's going through. I was bullied a lot in middle school, and the resulting severe depression made it easy for a couple of bullies to coerce me into saying something I didn't really mean, then they reported it to a teacher. My dad had several arguments with the principal in order to keep shit from unnecessarily hitting the fan. And like I said, I'll do the same goddamn thing if I have kids. It's just what a parent should do.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;48696357]Is this a fucking joke? Look at the clock: [img]http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20150916-0916ahmedclock.jpg.ece/BINARY/0916ahmedclock[/img] I think its reasonable that the clock could easily be mistaken for something else. Try bringing that into an airport and see if the exact same thing happens. The kid was taken into custody pending investigation, where he has since been released after they determined it wasnt a threat.[/QUOTE] So, what part of that looks like a bomb? I think these people would have a heart attack if they caught a glimpse of the insides of their computers or TVs.

[QUOTE=OvB;48696985][I]Technically[/I] any clock could count as "bomb infrastructure" though. I'm curious what the cut off point for such a thing is.[/QUOTE] Ethnicity of the person holding it, it seems.

[QUOTE=icantread49;48697324]So, what part of that looks like a bomb? I think these people would have a heart attack if they caught a glimpse of the insides of their computers or TVs.[/QUOTE] this is a high-end bomb: [t]http://www.trunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Suitcase.jpg[/t]

I can imagine the interrogation, "Why did you build this fake bomb?" "It's a clock" "Well why did you bring this into the school?" "... Just wanted to show people..." "Why did you scare us with this fake bomb??" "it's a clock" "Why are we scared? WHY ARE WE SCARED??" "..."

[QUOTE=icantread49;48697324]So, what part of that looks like a bomb?[/QUOTE] The big digital display. It looked "like a movie bomb".

[QUOTE=Kigen;48696905]Unfortunately, the public school system tends to be staffed by sub-par people. Not everyone. But enough to make my experience going through it pretty horrid. I was accused of attempting to make bombs or bomb threats to at public school twice. Once in elementary. I had just watched Home Alone 3, so I was talking to some other kids about it. Apparently, some parent contacted school officials and said I was preparing to bomb the school. This was before 9/11 and all that but after Columbine. So I got pulled into the principle's office and had to basically do in-school suspension there for the rest of the day. The second time was in high school. In Spanish class we had a open ended art project. I ended up drawing Green Day dookie bomb (album art) with the school as the subject. They had school security remove me from class the next time I was there (it was every other day). Very public about it. Then I was saw the vice-principle and he threatened me with alternative school and had me sent to in-school suspension for a week. Another odd incident that happened was I was doing a project with the aid of a computer in high school. A website caused the anti-virus (Norton) to come up. I allowed it to scan the computer. The teacher in the class room thought I was hacking the computer. I was sent to the vice-principle and he threatened again to send to me to alternative school and then had me spend a day in in-school suspension. If I ever have kids I will do my best to avoid having them go to public schools. At least in this area. Its just horrid how bad they are and they don't care. I'll home school them if I have to.[/QUOTE] Some of them are exactly what happened to me. In elementary I got in trouble at the computer lab. We had Macs, and for some reason the bomb box popped up. Teacher thought I was going to blow up the school, had in school suspension In elementary yet again, I was in the computer lab. We were doing research on tornados. I ended up clicking a link to a M raded movie [I]called[/I] Tornado. Or was it hurricanes, whatever. Worst thing is it had sound, so my PC was blaring so loud. I was banned from ever using a PC again at that school, and suspended. In middle school someone said I had a bazooka in my backpack. I got suspended and had to admit I said it, even though I didn't. In high school I got in serious trouble because the flashdrive I used a lot, not only had my work, but a game on it. Got suspended. So, I ended up bringing my own laptop to use, since you could. In order to connect to the internet there, the school has to take control of your laptop. They didn't like what they saw, got suspended. Hint, it was Steam and videogames. Didn't matter I wasn't playing it, it mattered that it was on my Laptop.

[QUOTE=Vipes;48697612]Some of them are exactly what happened to me. In elementary I got in trouble at the computer lab. We had Macs, and for some reason the bomb box popped up. Teacher thought I was going to blow up the school, had in school suspension In elementary yet again, I was in the computer lab. We were doing research on tornados. I ended up clicking a link to a M raded movie [I]called[/I] Tornado. Or was it hurricanes, whatever. Worst thing is it had sound, so my PC was blaring so loud. I was banned from ever using a PC again at that school, and suspended. In middle school someone said I had a bazooka in my backpack. I got suspended and had to admit I said it, even though I didn't. In high school I got in serious trouble because the flashdrive I used a lot, not only had my work, but a game on it. Got suspended. So, I ended up bringing my own laptop to use, since you could. In order to connect to the internet there, the school has to take control of your laptop. They didn't like what they saw, got suspended. Hint, it was Steam and videogames. Didn't matter I wasn't playing it, it mattered that it was on my Laptop.[/QUOTE] Wow that's awful. Like really? How the fuck would you have a rocket launcher in your backpack? These schools need to use some logic or something.

[QUOTE=meppers;48697488]this is a high-end bomb: [t]http://www.trunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Suitcase.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] That doesn't even look like a bomb to me.

He was accused of making a bomb hoax, not making an actual bomb, effectively meaning that most of the posts in this thread have nothing to do with what actually took place. That said, the police should have never been involved. If the kid says it's a clock, and never said anything that would suggest otherwise, then no reasonable person could go forward with accusing him of a bomb hoax. Schools do tend to beat creativity and critical thinking out of their students one way or another, and trying to have them locked up for doing nothing is a great way to achieve that goal.