• Millennials are more Racist than they Think
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[QUOTE=GunFox;47308575]So generally the millenials aren't actually racist, they just view race as a non-issue. This, according to the article, means nothing will be done about structural racism. [I]On paper[/I], there are very few things which need to be done to end structural racism. The primary problem is removing the people with racist tendencies from power and authority. Given that everyone dies, the removal of the more racist previous generations will happen one way or another. The "structure" of society is comprised entirely of people. It is an conceptual construct that we reify into an object. The reality is that the structure is fragile and fluid. Changing the people, particularly the people in positions of authority, changes the structure.[/QUOTE] That's very true, however, changing the structure is only part of it. New people without old biases will help, but if they're still operating on the same policies and procedures as the old crowd, then they will still fail to address many crucial issues. And, unfortunately, changing and enforcing policies takes a concerted effort. For example, recent investigations into the Ferguson police force proved a pattern of systematic racial oppression. While I have no doubt that some of the officers of that particular county had some old school racial prejudices, I find it hard to believe that, on the whole, the department was just a bunch of Klansmen. Rather, their abuse was a result of policy, bad habits, and unconscious distrust. While changing out the officers may marginally improve things, if those officers are not aware of the negative impacts that these policies cause, or simply ignore them, then the system is still broken, and minorities will still suffer.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47308570]How is this what you walked away from the article with? It only mentions disagreements in affirmative action policies as a fraction of a sentence in a footnote paragraph, and submits no particular policies as key points. It only states that our generation tends to smooth over or ignore racial issues, preferring to believe that they aren't as serious as they are or that they don't exist, rather than accepting them at face value and attempting to improve things. With no specific policies put forth as controversial points, and no particular courses of action suggested to help lessen the racial divide of the country, I'm awfully curious about how you reached your conclusion that this article was just a biased attack on people who don't support affirmative action in its entirety.[/QUOTE] There's a page 2 to the article where they whine about not being allowed to discriminate on the basis of race in favour of people of colour. I extrapolate from this that the form of affirmative action they are speaking in favour of is therefore the one that discriminates against Asians and Whites with racial quotas. A lot of space in the article is given to speaking about that one particular thing meanwhile the other pertinent data relating to why millennials are more racist than they think is hidden away in the survey they link to somewhere on the second page, indicating that it is of a much lower level of importance than the thing they have given a fairly large amount of space in the article to talk about. The other things they list are not racism, just stupidity, therefore the only thing I assume that is left that can make someone more racist than they think is what I said.
[QUOTE=GunFox;47308612]More slaves today than ever before.[/QUOTE] i support your argument but this phrase is utterly meaningless; there are more slaves today because there are more [I]people[/I].
[QUOTE=Riutet;47308631]There's a page 2 to the article where they whine about not being allowed to discriminate on the basis of race in favour of people of colour. I extrapolate from this that the form of affirmative action they are speaking in favour of is therefore the one that discriminates against Asians and Whites with racial quotas. A lot of space in the article is given to speaking about that one particular thing meanwhile the other pertinent data relating to why millennials are more racist than they think is hidden away in the survey they link to somewhere on the second page, indicating that it is of a much lower level of importance than the thing they have given a fairly large amount of space in the article to talk about. The other things they list are not racism, just stupidity, therefore the only thing I assume that is left that can make someone more racist than they think is what I said.[/QUOTE] [quote][B]When the Supreme Court struck down a key provision of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, Roberts wrote that the country “has changed, and while any racial discrimination in voting is too much, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions.” The results were immediate: Across the country, states began putting up barriers to voting, which the finds disproportionately affect black voters. Political scientists Keith Bentele and Erin O’Brien have concluded that the laws are indeed motivated by a desire to reduce black turnout[/b]—all proving that Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was right when she noted in her dissent that the logic of the decision was akin to “throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet.”[/quote] Is this what you're referring to? Or this? [quote]It’s possible that the court will use the same “post-racial” logic someday for affirmative action, too. Or to strike down the Federal Housing Administration’s ban on housing actions that have a “disparate impact” on African-Americans, such as exclusionary zoning or lending practices that disproportionately penalize people of color. This is particularly important since the most important impediment to black upward mobility is neighborhood poverty.[/quote] Maybe this? [quote]The conservative stance on racism is to deny structural racism exists and therefore deny that the solution to racism lies in structural changes. Instead, conservatives view the way to end racial disparities as simply ignoring the issue and treating everyone equally. While this sentiment sounds nice, it means that children who are born into poverty and face structurally racist housing, criminal justice and education systems will never have equal opportunity.[/quote] Because the article isn't calling people who disagree with these sorts of policies racist. It's simply saying that people who disagree with these sorts of policies are helping to enable racially oppressive environments. It's not to say that you [I]support[/I] the well documented systemic oppression that still occurs in this country, just that you're either willfully blind to it or extremely naive in your principals.
[QUOTE=NixNax123;47308236]see: vines 75% of them are just "<race> people be like <stupid/funny action>"[/QUOTE] I disagree. That's making light of stereotype jokes, not actually looking at a race and thinking "yeah, I'm better than them."
Problem is, the battles of race (I think) are smaller and more personal today. The accumulation of all these incidents equate to this "whites are 6.74 times more likely to enter the top 1 percent of the income distribution ladder than nonwhites" statistic. We should have a way of keeping an online record of each of these incidents so we can spot the patterns of it better and hopefully make some change. The fact that whites aren't much less racist than their parents is most likely an ignorance thing, I imagine that only a small percent of that group is actually [I]"racist"[/I], but who am I to say. :/
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47308623]That's very true, however, changing the structure is only part of it. New people without old biases will help, but if they're still operating on the same policies and procedures as the old crowd, then they will still fail to address many crucial issues. And, unfortunately, changing and enforcing policies takes a concerted effort. For example, recent investigations into the Ferguson police force proved a pattern of systematic racial oppression. While I have no doubt that some of the officers of that particular county had some old school racial prejudices, I find it hard to believe that, on the whole, the department was just a bunch of Klansmen. Rather, their abuse was a result of policy, bad habits, and unconscious distrust. While changing out the officers may marginally improve things, if those officers are not aware of the negative impacts that these policies cause, or simply ignore them, then the system is still broken, and minorities will still suffer.[/QUOTE] There are certainly policies on paper that reinforce racism, like crack cocaine comes with a significantly higher Federal mandatory minimum sentence than powdered cocaine. Crack cocaine is generally the choice of minorities because it is cheaper and minorities are more likely to be poor, which in turn means that they will spend even more time in prison and be even more poor, because crack has a nastier sentence. Originally crack came with a 600 percent longer sentence for the same mass as powdered cocaine. The gap has narrowed relatively recently though. But mostly it is people. They aren't necessarily these overt racist assholes, and they might only even be vaguely aware that they are racist, but you aren't really going to change their opinions on much of anything. It is a losing battle and it is extremely difficult to measure how racist individuals are being without some inquisition level craziness. Determining whether an individual officer deploys his taser in a racist fashion would require a crap ton of data and a significant time investment. Determining if legislators are passing subtly racist laws would be such a complicated task that I don't even know if you could realistically do it. It is a losing uphill battle that we can likely win by waiting it out.
[QUOTE=Riutet;47308631]There's a page 2 to the article where they whine about not being allowed to discriminate on the basis of race in favour of people of colour. I extrapolate from this that the form of affirmative action they are speaking in favour of is therefore the one that discriminates against Asians and Whites with racial quotas. A lot of space in the article is given to speaking about that one particular thing meanwhile the other pertinent data relating to why millennials are more racist than they think is hidden away in the survey they link to somewhere on the second page, indicating that it is of a much lower level of importance than the thing they have given a fairly large amount of space in the article to talk about. The other things they list are not racism, just stupidity, therefore the only thing I assume that is left that can make someone more racist than they think is what I said.[/QUOTE] Honestly, the most telling thing about your response to this article is that, instead of accepting it for the insightful look into the behaviors that we as a society need to change to improve things that it is, you take offense, pretend it's a misrepresentation of the facts, and blame some kind of [I]anti-white[/I] agenda. That is deeply ironic, considering it's the exact behavior that this research is trying to call attention to.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47308570]How is this what you walked away from the article with? It only mentions disagreements in affirmative action policies as a fraction of a sentence in a footnote paragraph, and submits no particular policies as key points. It only states that our generation tends to smooth over or ignore racial issues, preferring to believe that they aren't as serious as they are or that they don't exist, rather than accepting them at face value and attempting to improve things. With no specific policies put forth as controversial points, and no particular courses of action suggested to help lessen the racial divide of the country, I'm awfully curious about how you reached your conclusion that this article was just a biased attack on people who don't support affirmative action in its entirety.[/QUOTE] I got a similar message from this article, to me this article seems to imply that if you aren't an egalitarian you're a racist. I mean the title is "Millennials are more Racist than they Think" but the thesis they present is that millennials are racially apathetic. This is very much a "If your not with me you're against me" style of presentation. A less loaded title would be more like, "Millennials are no more Racially Tolerant than Previous Generations". Also affirmative action has a bit more to do with the article than you're pointing out, there's a graph based on the difference in support of affirmative action policies based on race and age differences, but it's definitely not the central theme of the article.
I admit I may have racist tendencies, but they go as far as joking about blacks, jews etc.
Is this another blame and shame the current generation able to vote now.
This is true. I'm a millennial and I'm a terrible person.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47308873]I admit I may have racist tendencies, but they go as far as joking about blacks, jews etc.[/QUOTE] That's not racist.
[QUOTE=mcgrath618;47308206]Is the millennial generation 2001-2009? Or is it 2000-2010?[/QUOTE] The oldest millennials are in their 30s.
[QUOTE=Jackald;47308594]History has a remarkable effect of smoothing out unimportant things and drawing an attention to important ones. I seriously doubt that young American political activists of the 1960s felt drastically different in terms of how much they trusted the government than we do now. We don't trust politicians and governments because of broken promises and legislation we suspect is designed to control or restrict our day-to-day freedoms. [/QUOTE] Except the system is even more overwhelmingly stacked against milenials than it was in the 1960s, back then you could get pretty far on even a highschool education and political spending wasn't nearly as rampant, todays system is overwhelmingly stacked to make millenials wage slaves for at least their most productive years [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] The article is saying that millenials lack of action translates to racism, while ignoring the underlying systemic problems that have marginalized millenials.
[QUOTE=Sableye;47308977] The article is saying that millenials lack of action translates to racism, while ignoring the underlying systemic problems that have marginalized millenials.[/QUOTE] That is not what the article is saying. I agree with what you're saying in regards to today's sociopolitical climate, but on this point you are either confused, or misrepresenting the issue.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;47308927]That's not racist.[/QUOTE] The problem nowadays is that there is a very thin grasp about the concept of racism. I've been called racist on very serious offenses because I was joking about blacks.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47309221]The problem nowadays is that there is a very thin grasp about the concept of racism. I've been called racist on very serious offenses because I was joking about blacks.[/QUOTE] If you're making racist jokes, then is it really a stretch to call you a racist?
One look at tumblr can tell you racism is still as bad as ever
Honestly the rise of edgy semi-ironic racist humor could have something to do with this.
[QUOTE=Best4bond;47308132]Its important to note that this would be millennials in America and isn't representative of the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] Of course, if everyone was included then the world is still naziland
The thing is, even if you do care about structural racism, where can you go to help? Millenial white allies are more often morons that don't really know a lot about the subject but think they do because they read an effortpost on Tumblr or took and intro to Sociology class a year ago. They also seem more interested in fighting against Johnny Law like some idiotic teenage anarchists than actually helping a minority. Like, during the Ferguson protests, it was the whites that made the most radical statements about the police, while blacks seemed more interested in reconciliation instead of destroying those dirty pigs once and for all. And, at the end of the day, it's reconciliation and discussion that'll solve that issue, not yelling about how the pigs should be dissolved at gunpoint and replaced by community patrols. At this point, I, a straight white male, have said "fuck it" and let minorities deal with the issue on their own terms instead of me barging in and demanding change NOW with some half-baked scheme that'll just piss off nearly everybody. The program for gay acceptance has done far, far better than anything I've seen allies dream up, and that program was lead by gays working with allies to show everyone that gays are people instead of a bunch of allies throwing temper tantrums and spewing rhetroic from some obscure gay seperatist book written in the 80s.
Someone have the good folks at politco tell that to my black girlfriend :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47308873]I admit I may have racist tendencies, but they go as far as joking about blacks, jews etc.[/QUOTE] There's a big difference between cracking jokes and institutional racism. As a species we are prone to categorize because it's convenient; it's perfectly natural to have different attitudes towards people based on differences in race. It's important to let rationality outweigh these feelings though. You might not have spent a lot of time around black people in your life, so they may make you uncomfortable when you are around them, that is fine and acceptable. However if you use these feelings as justifications for discrimination, that is when you become a problem. My personal experience as an example: I went to a upper middle class public school that had like 2 black kids. Wow black kids are just like me I thought. For high school, I went to a city school that was like 45% black. My opinion of black people fell dramatically. But I realized that it wasn't because they were black, it was because they were poor. Man poor people suck, which is why I think society should try to alleviate them so they don't have an excuse to be such massive cunts anymore. As long as you're sensitive to those around you, feel free to keep making racial jokes. Just remember they're human just like you, and who knows maybe you'll find out it was something beyond race that bothers you like I did ya fuckin kurad.
[QUOTE=Telecaster;47308533]I don't like blacks and Muslims but this article is bullshit[/QUOTE] See what I don't get is why its "racist" to dislike Islam. Its a religion not a race.
People say they're not racist or their area is not racist but they normally think prejudice against something is acceptable. There's serious problems against blacks and Muslims in America, Muslims and Gypsies in Europe, Jews and dozens of other culture groups in the Middle East. People pretending as if the young haven't sucked up the racist drivel the last generation spouted up haven't been paying enough attention.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47309293]If you're making racist jokes, then is it really a stretch to call you a racist?[/QUOTE] So Chris Rock, Louis CK, Bill Burr, DL Hughely, Margaret Cho, Daniel Tosh, Lewis Black and Richard Pryor are (were) racist?
[QUOTE=Mudbone;47310302]See what I don't get is why its "racist" to dislike Islam. Its a religion not a race.[/QUOTE] because a lot of Islamophobia is tied into a dislike of middle eastern people like I've seen people who dislike Islam racially abuse sikhs so many times I really don't see it as a purely ideological issue at all
I'm not surprised. You even see it here on Facepunch. Members here sweep racial issues under the rug as if it's minorities playing the race card and claim that racism ceased to exist with the civil rights movement, when racism is still truly alive today. Minorities are still economically disadvantaged today, for reasons such as their parents were and in turn their parents were, and they haven't broken out of the cycle yet. But when efforts are made to break those minorities out of the cycle and raise their living standards, members here dismiss it as 'positive racism' and say that a truly equal society would not offer that extra help to anyone. Despite minorities all over the world often living in conditions subpar to what the majority population is accustomed to. And I think it would be the same for sexism as well.
[QUOTE=pentium;47308495]In Vancouver at least I can see why. It's not like in the last 15 years the surrounding markets have been overwhelmed by foreigners to the point you have to leave the region to even afford a house.[/QUOTE] The worst racists are the ones that blame the victims of their racism instead of doing a bit of introspection and just being able to admit that they're prejudiced people. Even Stormers are able to say "yeah I just think whites are better lol".
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