• Sweden to Go Cashless?
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How does kids spend money if they're going cashless? Pretty sure you get your first debit card when you're 15 or 16.
It's only natural for people to use electronic methods of payment more and more but completely wiping out this (what turns to be a) backup currency is not a good idea.
I'm cool with this. The difference somewhat appeared to me a few weeks ago when I went to Germany (Soltau/Hannover). We were eating at this restaurant, fully prepared to pay with cards because hey, all restaurants at home got card readers. But when we were about to pay, the waiter told us they didn't take cards. Luckily I had cash enough to pay for us all that night.
[QUOTE=Xyrec;35229557]How does kids spend money if they're going cashless? Pretty sure you get your first debit card when you're 15 or 16.[/QUOTE] Maybe the age limit will be lowered, or a new card(etc) for < 15 year olds. Nothing says this won't bring anything new to "counter act" the negative side effects of removing physical money.
[QUOTE=Kazumi;35229579]I'm cool with this. The difference somewhat appeared to me a few weeks ago when I went to Germany (Soltau/Hannover). We were eating at this restaurant, fully prepared to pay with cards because hey, all restaurants at home got card readers. But when we were about to pay, the waiter told us they didn't take cards. Luckily I had cash enough to pay for us all that night.[/QUOTE]What if you didn't have cash? It's not your fault they don't accept cards.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35229531]Are you buying nuclear warheads by cash? You're so worried of getting tracked.[/QUOTE] Yes, I'm worried about my privacy in general since governments seem to think privacy is an outdated concept.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;35229624]Yes, I'm worried about my privacy in general since governments seem to think privacy is an outdated concept.[/QUOTE] Except for themselves :v:
[QUOTE=Nikota;35225431]Sweden has the infrastructure to do this, so I don't see the problem other then cybersecurity.[/QUOTE] Everything is recorded, everything is controlled.
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;35229500]Oh well. At least we still have unthreatened freedom of speech, free healthcare (incl. dental), beautiful landscapes, a clean environment, pretty inhabitants, and our national debt isn't sky high.[/QUOTE] You may have some freedom of speech, but you don't have much else. (i.e. guns are illegal) and you still get shit on by the west and you get 90% of entertainment releases weeks later, with most mainstream companies not even letting you buy from them -- or use their online services. enjoy getting the short end of the stick/left overs for the rest of your life, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, just go to a place like hulu or epixhd.com and try to sign up (lol) oh yeah, and technology costs. 900 euros for an Iphone (which most mobile companies here dont support at all)? no thanks [url]http://www.klick.ee/mobiiltelefonid/apple-iphone-4s-16gb.html[/url] p.s.: EU sucks, find a better place to live that doesn't make you feel as if you live in 1944 by looking at the surrounding buildings, if any, considering rural areas of Europe are among the poorest places in the first world (most houses there have no pluming).
[QUOTE=thisispain;35225876]how many people get their digital money stolen each year? compare that to how many people get robbed in the street.[/QUOTE] I think Benjamin Franklin had something to say about people like you. "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]and you still get shit on by the west and you get 90% of entertainment releases weeks later, with most mainstream companies not even letting you buy from them -- or use their online services. enjoy getting the short end of the stick/left overs for the rest of your life, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, just go to a place like hulu or epixhd.com and try to sign up (lol) oh yeah, and technology costs. 900 euros for an Ipad? no thanks[/QUOTE] This can be said about a lot of other countries outside the US though... [editline].[/editline] Also, the thing you said about technology, technology is not the expensive in this case, it's apple's overpricing.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;35225455]It scares me that people are so willing to have every transaction of their lives stored on bank and/or government servers until the end of time, free for any government agent or hacker to peruse.[/QUOTE] It's scares me that people are so willing to give value to simple pieces of fragile paper, or cheap metal alloys shaped into discs, free for the elements to destroy or for a robber to grab a fistful when nobody is looking. [QUOTE=Splendor;35229670]I think Benjamin Franklin had something to say about people like you. "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."[/QUOTE] Well this was the first time I laughed this week. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]You may have some freedom of speech, but you don't have much else. (i.e. guns are illegal)[/QUOTE] It's not like they have all those other things, such as having more than two political parties or free healthcare. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]and you still get shit on by the west and you get 90% of entertainment releases weeks later, with most mainstream companies not even letting you buy from them -- or use their online services. [/QUOTE] But Sweden is part of the Western world. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]enjoy getting the short end of the stick/left overs for the rest of your life, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, just go to a place like hulu or epixhd.com and try to sign up (lol) oh yeah, and technology costs. 900 euros for an Iphone (which most mobile companies here dont support at all)? no thanks [url]http://www.klick.ee/mobiiltelefonid/apple-iphone-4s-16gb.html[/url][/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the standard of living in Sweden is comparable to that of the USA. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]p.s.: EU sucks, find a better place to live that doesn't make you feel as if you live in 1944 by looking at the surrounding buildings, if any, considering rural areas of Europe are among the poorest places in the first world (most houses there have no pluming).[/QUOTE] The fuck?
Privacy is important, I don't want government knowing I ordered some dragon dildos.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]You may have some freedom of speech, but you don't have much else. (i.e. guns are illegal).[/QUOTE] Weapon licenses. Also knives and swords are completely fine to own as long as you don't have them in public. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]you get 90% of entertainment releases weeks later, with most mainstream companies not even letting you buy from them -- or use their online services. [/QUOTE] Like? Steam allows me to buy most games on release, with a few exceptions being maybe a day or two in difference. Movies I could care less about, and there are websites and programs for watching TV shows legally. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]just go to a place like hulu or epixhd.com and try to sign up (lol)[/url][/quote] You're implying those sites are even important. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]oh yeah, and technology costs. 900 euros for an Iphone (which most mobile companies here dont support at all)? no thanks [url]http://www.klick.ee/mobiiltelefonid/apple-iphone-4s-16gb.html[/url][/QUOTE] First of all, that's a Finnish website, second of all I have an iPhone 4S 16GB on a contract, and 2 years from now when that contract runs out I'll have paid about $700 dollars. That's including insurance, 4,000 free Text Messages and free calling to 8 numbers of my choice. Apple sells iPhones (unlocked, contact free) for $649, so essentially I'm paying 50 dollars more, which isn't a terrible price. There are (IIRC) 5 major carriers who support androids and iPhones. "Halebop", "Telenor", "Tele2", "Telia", "3" [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]find a better place to live that doesn't make you feel as if you live in 1964 by looking at the surrounding buildings.[/QUOTE] Are we even talking about the same country? Are you sure you're not thinking of Latvia or Estonia? [t]http://www.prettypop.net/photos/2007/20070709-19_stockholm_oslo_copenhagen/20070709_stockholm_sergels_torg_1.jpg[/t] [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663](most houses there have no pluming).[/QUOTE] Are you for real...?
Hahaha, oh wow. "Stick it in her pooper" is one of those guys who think America has the best standards of living in the world.
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;35229801][B]First of all, that's a Finnish website,[/B] second of all I have an iPhone 4S 16GB on a contract, and 2 years from now when that contract runs out I'll have paid about $700 dollars. That's including insurance, 4,000 free Text Messages and free calling to 8 numbers of my choice. Apple sells iPhones (unlocked, contact free) for $649, so essentially I'm paying 50 dollars more, which isn't a terrible price. There are (IIRC) 5 major carriers who support androids and iPhones. "Halebop", "Telenor", "Tele2", "Telia", "3"[/QUOTE]Estonian, actually. Easy way to tell the difference is Estonian looks like a heavily drunk version of Finnish. Also, I cannot recall a single Finnish word that ends with a B or D. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229663]You may have some freedom of speech, but you don't have much else. (i.e. guns are illegal) and you still get shit on by the west and you get 90% of entertainment releases weeks later, with most mainstream companies not even letting you buy from them -- or use their online services. enjoy getting the short end of the stick/left overs for the rest of your life, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, just go to a place like hulu or epixhd.com and try to sign up (lol) oh yeah, and technology costs. 900 euros for an Iphone (which most mobile companies here dont support at all)? no thanks [url]http://www.klick.ee/mobiiltelefonid/apple-iphone-4s-16gb.html[/url] p.s.: EU sucks, find a better place to live that doesn't make you feel as if you live in 1944 by looking at the surrounding buildings, if any, considering rural areas of Europe are among the poorest places in the first world (most houses there have no pluming).[/QUOTE]Former Soviet states like your own are hardly the basis to judge the quality of life in the entirety of Europe.
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;35229801]Weapon licenses. Also knives and swords are completely fine to own as long as you don't have them in public. Like? Steam allows me to buy most games on release, with a few exceptions being maybe a day or two in difference. Movies I could care less about, and there are websites and programs for watching TV shows legally. You're implying those sites are even important. First of all, that's a Finnish website, second of all I have an iPhone 4S 16GB on a contract, and 2 years from now when that contract runs out I'll have paid about $700 dollars. That's including insurance, 4,000 free Text Messages and free calling to 8 numbers of my choice. Apple sells iPhones (unlocked, contact free) for $649, so essentially I'm paying 50 dollars more, which isn't a terrible price. There are (IIRC) 5 major carriers who support androids and iPhones. "Halebop", "Telenor", "Tele2", "Telia", "3" Are we even talking about the same country? Are you sure you're not thinking of Latvia or Estonia? [t]http://www.prettypop.net/photos/2007/20070709-19_stockholm_oslo_copenhagen/20070709_stockholm_sergels_torg_1.jpg[/t] Are you for real...?[/QUOTE] you should try leaving Stockholm and visit less-fortunate areas. (i.e. almost everywhere else but gothenburg) Heres a photo from some place in Detroit, Michigan, 1954. [IMG]http://www.highlandparkcity.us/images/Pic-WoodwardAtTheSearsSite1956.jpg[/IMG] Here a photo from Sweden today: [IMG]http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/tupungato/tupungato1007/tupungato100700001/7312740-stockholm-sweden-old-architecture-at-sodermalm-island-aerial-street-view.jpg[/IMG] And whoever said the cost of the iphone was due to Apple, your wrong. Computer parts and laptops are among the most expensive things you could even try to buy, compared to their equivalent that sell in the USA for up to 50% less. Plus clothes, gas, and food. More importantly: you have no walmarts/chain stores that matter/no real fast food chains (Especially ones that operate in the USA, other than Mc Donalds)
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229878]you should try leaving Stockholm and visit less-fortunate areas. (i.e. almost everywhere else but gothenburg) Here a photo from Sweden today: [IMG]http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/tupungato/tupungato1007/tupungato100700001/7312740-stockholm-sweden-old-architecture-at-sodermalm-island-aerial-street-view.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Why do you care about how modernized a city is? You're implying that has anything to do with the social, economical and technological structure of the entire country. Also GG that's a picture of Södermalm, one of many towns aiming to preserve historical building structure.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229878]McDonalds and modernist architecture are the main indicators of wealth.[/QUOTE] 2/10 that's the best i can do
I don't see how old architecture matters at all? If anything, it's much more appealing to me. Just because a city does not have skyscrapers does not mean it's not developed. And who the fuck wants giant chain stores or fast food chains? Fast food chains have shit food, and chain stores have shit service.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229878]More importantly: you have no walmarts/chain stores that matter/no real fast food chains (Especially ones that operate in the USA, other than Mc Donalds.[/QUOTE] Well it's not like Ikea is a multi-national global chain of stores. [QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229878] Heres a photo from some place in Detroit, Michigan, 1954. [/QUOTE] Ok, now please show me a picture of Detroit today.
stick it in her pooper is trolling, and doesn't deserve a reply
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35229932]Well it's not like Ikea is a multi-national global chain of stores. Ok, now please show me a picture of Detroit today.[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=Ay5GWBeob_WIPLDYoIWcfVXxvZu9XwJ55OX7Ag,D8bJk1Ry111M1XE_1iIRbr-Wzua05_8m9nEyJJbKG1LqASy2eP-uVTLYXecHlc-ivHUhFim8mwAgBj7b_AC3domVYDEVh41QUC-M0KXCx8JdEGhoftli9ZFBydVNDGVzrzAAzAujOK4cGDq0SzdtGU7Bi1cMlkVREbFzAMLZcV1uzNNN[/IMG] [editline]21st March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Splendor;35229916]2/10 that's the best i can do[/QUOTE] not so much an indicator of wealth as it is an indicator that life sucks balls in sweden you must feel bad about missing out on so much
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35229989]not so much an indicator of wealth as it is an indicator that life sucks balls in sweden[/QUOTE] You're not Swedish, so could you please tell me what position you're in that allows you pretend you have full knowledge of life over here besides bias gained from images of buildings?
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;35230054]You're not Swedish, so could you please tell me what position you're in that allows you pretend you have full knowledge of life over here besides bias gained from images of buildings?[/QUOTE] I've been on my own living in Estonia (very close neighbor) for the last year and 3 months and it's worse than Sweden tenfold, will never be back again that's for sure
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35230071]I've been on my own living in Estonia (very close neighbor) for the last year and 3 months[/QUOTE] Estonia =/= Sweden So you still haven't explained what gives you the power to judge the quality of a country you've [I]never even lived in.[/I] You're also implying being close neighbors with a country has anything to do with the wealth of the people who live there. What about the contrast of America/Mexico? Mexico is poor, but America is "rich" in comparison.
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;35230081]Estonia =/= Sweden [/QUOTE] It's exactly the same with a different name, slightly different language
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35230086]It's exactly the same with a different name, slightly different language[/QUOTE] I like how you ignored everything else in that post. 1/10 trolling.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35230086]It's exactly the same with a different name, slightly different language[/QUOTE] Estonian isn't even in the same fucking language family as Swedish. Hungarian is closer to Estonian than Swedish is.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35230109]Estonian isn't even in the same fucking language family as Swedish. Hungarian is closer to Estonian than Swedish is.[/QUOTE] and that affects the quality of life how? (or tells us in what way that Sweden is superior then "poor old estonia") [editline]21st March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;35230096]I like how you ignored everything else in that post. 1/10 trolling.[/QUOTE] yeah its too bad you edited it in after I posted already
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