• Sweden to Go Cashless?
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[QUOTE=JustExtreme;35243528]I could see this going really wrong if they start taxing people automatically for personal transactions like some guys grandson fixing his grandfathers friends PC or some shit and getting rewarded with €20. I don't see why the government should get a cut in things like that. Hey maybe payment-in-kind will become the primary mode of transfer for things like that just to cut out the tax man and a moneyless society will emerge...[/QUOTE] Taxes are used to support the entire infrastructure of a modern civilisation. They pay for roads, healthcare, protection, minimum wages, sanitation, etc. An ideal situiation would be one in which it had advanced to the point that the state owned everything, you worked for the state, and got in return all sorts of various goodies such as universal healthcare or public transportation.
kind of reminds me how in neuromancer cash money is nigh useless in the sprawl
[QUOTE=Cuel;35243567]i don't understand how cars and roads could affect this. what makes stockholm so much different from other cities in sweden? where?[/QUOTE] In Stockholm, people rely on the subways and they tend to use paycards. In the countryside of Sweden, people travel by car and use real cash. I live in Falun.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35243656]Taxes are used to support the entire infrastructure of a modern civilisation. They pay for roads, healthcare, protection, minimum wages, sanitation, etc. An ideal situiation would be one in which it had advanced to the point that the state owned everything, you worked for the state, and got in return all sorts of various goodies such as universal healthcare or public transportation.[/QUOTE] Would it really be an ideal situation though? State monopolies may be convenient but, in the case of the NHS in the UK at least, they seem to discourage innovation and disadvantage private organisations in the same industry. Also, what if people want to choose who provides their services rather than just be forced into paying for the state audited option through mandatory taxation?
[QUOTE=Qubik;35245280]In Stockholm, people rely on the subways and they tend to use paycards. In the countryside of Sweden, people travel by car and use real cash. I live in Falun.[/QUOTE] Buses and trains takes cards now as well. I use them quite a lot. Mariestad here.
[QUOTE]Buses and trains takes cards now as well. I use them quite a lot. Mariestad here. [/QUOTE] Yes of course. If you go by bus everyday, to work for an example, using cards is much more easier than paying with cash.
[QUOTE=Qubik;35245694]Yes of course. If you go by bus everyday, to work for an example, using cards is much more easier than paying with cash.[/QUOTE]Yes because if you go by bus once a month it suddenly becomes so much harder.
[QUOTE=Qubik;35245280]In Stockholm, people rely on the subways and they tend to use paycards. In the countryside of Sweden, people travel by car and use real cash. I live in Falun.[/QUOTE] i live up north and while you can purchase a ticket in the booth for cash, you can not do it on the busses nor trains. it has been like that for a long time cards works fine. they won't take cash.
[QUOTE=Cuel;35245978]i live up north and while you can purchase a ticket in the booth for cash, you can not do it on the busses nor trains. it has been like that for a long time cards works fine. they won't take cash.[/QUOTE] Here in Luleå the buses stopped accepting cash back in January. Apparently the reason was that two bus drivers had been robbed a couple of months earlier.
Fuck that shit, time to active plan B. You can't digitise [i]chickens[/i], fuckers.
[QUOTE=Kalleo;35249772]Here in Luleå the buses stopped accepting cash back in January. Apparently the reason was that two bus drivers had been robbed a couple of months earlier.[/QUOTE] I Karlstad they stopped early last year, iirc Now the only news about buses are when they run over people
[QUOTE=Kalleo;35249772]Here in Luleå the buses stopped accepting cash back in January. Apparently the reason was that two bus drivers had been robbed a couple of months earlier.[/QUOTE] actually busses were of high interest to robbers all over sweden, not just luleå. so that's why they chose to implement cards/text messages tickets only in most of sweden
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;35251063]Fuck that shit, time to active plan B. You can't digitise [i]chickens[/i], fuckers.[/QUOTE] [I][B]yet.[/B][/I]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;35237612]Problem with going cashless I guess would be what would happen if the infrastructure would go offline. Imagine for example a terrorist attack which would target the servers that keep everything running. There would be no cash to use, and that would drag the economy to a halt until the infrastructure would go back online. Physical money only requires two parties; the buyer and the seller. Using debit and credit cards requires a third party to authenticate every transaction. Also, cash is far easier to transfer between people for non-business related transactions. If you're lending a friend five dollars, all you'd need to do is give him or her a five dollar note. Right there, done. If you had to use cards, you might have to use internet banking to transfer money or do it at a bank, or worst comes to worst then give your card to your friend.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the first point is a huge issue regardless. Unless you carry every bit of cash you have, you would be shit outta luck, since you wouldn't be able to withdraw cash from an ATM.
[QUOTE=Cuel;35252554]actually busses were of high interest to robbers all over sweden, not just luleå. so that's why they chose to implement cards/text messages tickets only in most of sweden[/QUOTE] Somehow I missed that. :localmedia: I guess it makes more sense than changing the entire system because of two robberies. Now people without bus cards have to pay with a credit card and make everything even more slow than before.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35225876]how many people get their digital money stolen each year? compare that to how many people get robbed in the street.[/QUOTE] I'll take my chances.
[QUOTE=Kalleo;35256967]Somehow I missed that. :localmedia: I guess it makes more sense than changing the entire system because of two robberies. Now people without bus cards have to pay with a credit card and make everything even more slow than before.[/QUOTE] or text messages, which makes the whole thing quicker. besides, paying with a card isn't that much slower compared to paying with cash
aww man I was hoping they were eliminating a system of currency
I think it'd be pretty neat if they were all assigned devices the exact size and dimensions of a credit card, but had the capability to read fingerprints/show your balance directly to you. Just imagine it, exact size of a credit card, has a small LCD screen on it showing you information/balances and your fingerprint activates it. Or perhaps a small password input, I know it sounds like a weird idea but I think it'd be fairly secure and pretty damn cool.
[QUOTE=Cuel;35258426]or text messages, which makes the whole thing quicker. besides, paying with a card isn't that much slower compared to paying with cash[/QUOTE] Text messages do not work here (yet, i hope).
[QUOTE=gonedead0;35225638]What if you're underage? How will you pay for everything considering banks don't give out debit cards until you're 18?[/QUOTE] they hand them out a lot earlier in sweden [editline]23rd March 2012[/editline] i NEVER use cash for paying, even when theres small amounts of money its just more convienient paying with your card [editline]23rd March 2012[/editline] i NEVER use cash for paying, even when theres small amounts of money its just more convienient paying with your card
I always withdraw cash so I can pay for everything with cash, it makes everything easier ESPECIALLY when you are drunk.
oh yea, thats the only reason i withdraw cash, when i go out partying
[img]http://i.imgur.com/7KW4F.jpg[/img] Barter system aww yeah
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