• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51341432]Guns do not ensure security of the state, the military does that.[/QUOTE] Then why do we bother having the idea of a militia? The populace owning guns is important for many reasons. I'd rather a country where we were all guaranteed the right to own guns than something as vestigial as marriage.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341418]He hasn't released any policies about LGBT issues, he said he supported them during the RNC, good enough more me. I don't care about Pence's past policies because I don't expect any of those to fly on a national scale.[/QUOTE] Trump is against gay marriage, and Mike Pence will certainly try to push his crazy ideologies on a national scale as much as he possibly can.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341418]He hasn't released any policies about LGBT issues, he said he supported them during the RNC, good enough more me. I don't care about Pence's past policies because I don't expect any of those to fly on a national scale. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] They are, guns ensure security of the state. It's bigger than individual people.[/QUOTE] Trump has already voiced support for a bill that supports allowing people to discriminate lgbt people on religious grounds. He supports the republica. Stances which is anti-LGBT. You're lying. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wystan;51341447]Then why do we bother having the idea of a militia? The populace owning guns is important for many reasons. I'd rather a country where we were all guaranteed the right to own guns than something as vestigial as marriage.[/QUOTE] You do realize marriage is a lot more then a simple ceremony, right? It has many wide reaching legal implications.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51341408]This is constitutional literalism in action, believing that guns are more important than people.[/QUOTE] if you understand the historical context of the american constitution, then it should not be hard for you to understand why firearms were considered such an important right. Because in that context, without that right, everything else you wanted might as well be fairy dust.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341418]They are, guns ensure security of the state. It's bigger than individual people.[/QUOTE] They are also the reason innocent people die. Making them readily available to anyone seems to NOT PROMOTE safety. How can you be so damn blind?
The attitudes of people who believe "Hillary was going to take away the guns" and "but the minorities are taking all the jobs" are why Trump won. Because as long as they get theirs, fuck the rest of you. Fuck the LGBT people, fuck the minorities, fuck the Muslims and other religious minorities, fuck everyone and everything. As long as they have their guns, or they have their jobs and the minorities don't. They've got theirs. Fuck the rest of you.
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;51341464]if you understand the historical context of the american constitution, then it should not be hard for you to understand why firearms were considered such an important right. Because in that context, without that right, everything else you wanted might as well be fairy dust.[/QUOTE] In a historical context, sure, but that's not really an argument for them being as important today as they were back then.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341447]Then why do we bother having the idea of a militia? The populace owning guns is important for many reasons. I'd rather a country where we were all guaranteed the right to own guns than something as vestigial as marriage.[/QUOTE] I have no idea why you bother having the idea of a militia, the idea is absurd in the modern day. This is another case of the constitution being written 300 years ago and not being amended enough to match the modern reality. You value guns over equal rights.
[QUOTE=Bugga12;51341469]They are also the reason innocent people die. Making them readily available to anyone seems to NOT PROMOTE safety. How can you be so damn blind?[/QUOTE] America's crime rate has little to do with the availability of firearms.
What if this is Trumps marriage present to Pence and they're both getting hitched right now Wouldn't that be a shocker.
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;51341464]if you understand the historical context of the american constitution, then it should not be hard for you to understand why firearms were considered such an important right. Because in that context, without that right, everything else you wanted might as well be fairy dust.[/QUOTE] I understand the context fully. That context was also 229 years ago. Things have changed.
Hell its not even lgbt rights anymore. Guns wont help us when Seychelles no longer exists. Guns wont help us when most major coastal citirs will have to be abandoned. Guns wont help us when there is no longer enough life in the ocean to support a fishing industry.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341447]Then why do we bother having the idea of a militia? The populace owning guns is important for many reasons. I'd rather a country where we were all guaranteed the right to own guns than something as vestigial as marriage.[/QUOTE] if you really think a modern military cannot squash an armed militia, youre stuck in 1800s where everyone was on equal playing ground. I cannot fathom that people actually think they could "stick it" to the government in this day and age.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341447]Then why do we bother having the idea of a militia? The populace owning guns is important for many reasons. I'd rather a country where we were all guaranteed the right to own guns than something as vestigial as marriage.[/QUOTE] you are aware that marriage isn't just a ceremonial thing right
[QUOTE=wystan;51341447]Then why do we bother having the idea of a militia? The populace owning guns is important for many reasons. [B]I'd rather a country where we were all guaranteed the right to own guns than something as vestigial as marriage.[/B][/QUOTE] Holy fucking shit, what even broke your brain that much? Just so this isn't seen like a flame post, let me elaborate: That's not a humanized thought to have. That makes it feel like you're completely desensitized from the range of emotions you should have as a normal human being. I have enough training to suggest going to an actual therapist and diagnose, I'm not even making this shit up or joking.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51341348]I don't care what the constitution says[/QUOTE] slow down there mr. hitler
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51341483]Hell its not even lgbt rights anymore. Guns wont help us when Seychelles no longer exists. Guns wont help us when most major coastal citirs will have to be abandoned. Guns wont help us when there is no longer enough life in the ocean to support a fishing industry.[/QUOTE] we can just go to war with the ocean. blast some nukes to evaporate the water and we will live.
[QUOTE=Bugga12;51341469]They are also the reason innocent people die. Making them readily available to anyone seems to NOT PROMOTE safety. How can you be so damn blind?[/QUOTE] Innocent people die from a lot of things, the amount that die to firearms is minuscule to the numerous health problems that kill Americans each year, amongst plenty of other preventable causes. Don't try and pull some bleeding heart argument here.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51341493]we can just go to war with the ocean. blast some nukes to evaporate the water and we will live.[/QUOTE] Water vapor is a greenhouse gas though :v:
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51341484]if you really think a modern military cannot squash an armed militia, youre stuck in 1800s where everyone was on equal playing ground. I cannot fathom that people actually think they could "stick it" to the government in this day and age.[/QUOTE] Yea because Vietnam and Afghanistan, be it our invasion or the Soviets, went super well and was a walk in the park.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341502]Yea because Vietnam and Afghanistan, be it our invasion or the Soviets, went super well and was a walk in the park.[/QUOTE] The Nva was not a fucking militia.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341496]Innocent people die from a lot of things, the amount that die to firearms is minuscule to the numerous health problems that kill Americans each year, amongst plenty of other preventable causes. Don't try and pull some bleeding heart argument here.[/QUOTE] The amount of people guns will save will be miniscule to the deaths that will happen when the coasts start to flood and entire nations are lost to the oceans. Or the amount of people who will starve when fishing is no longer economically viable
[QUOTE=froztshock;51341505]The Nva was not a fucking militia.[/QUOTE] The Vietcong were though.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341502]Yea because Vietnam and Afghanistan, be it our invasion or the Soviets, went super well and was a walk in the park.[/QUOTE] Take 5 minutes to research the political , ethnic and religious history of Afghanistan and then compare it to America
[QUOTE=wystan;51341502]Yea because Vietnam and Afghanistan, be it our invasion or the Soviets, went super well and was a walk in the park.[/QUOTE] did you seriously compare insurgents with military grade weapons to local firearms? American militias don't have a major country backing like either.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51341510]The Vietcong were though.[/QUOTE] And did very little.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341502]Yea because Vietnam and Afghanistan, be it our invasion or the Soviets, went super well and was a walk in the park.[/QUOTE] Now thats being a little bit dumb You didnt fight againsz people who only carried m4s and glocks. Dont be naive, please.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341496]Innocent people die from a lot of things, the amount that die to firearms is minuscule to the numerous health problems that kill Americans each year, amongst plenty of other preventable causes. Don't try and pull some bleeding heart argument here.[/QUOTE] Get on with the times and fight freaking polution, or the fucking rampant obesity problem that's been in the US for years, even invest in better greener technologies to try and revert the "myth" of global warming or whatever you might wanna call it. Don't make "we have rights to own guns lols" your biggest damn priority
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51341519]did you seriously compare insurgents with military grade weapons to local firearms? American militias don't have a major country backing like either.[/QUOTE] What does that even mean, local firearms? Have you ever been in a gun store? A group of well armed Americans would probably come close to the capabilities of any insurgent group.
I haven't been able to sleep since the results. All these speeches about coming together despite the results- don't think it's happening. Can't remember the last time I've felt such hate. Only thing to do is see what comes tomorrow. It probably won't be pretty.
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