• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51341744]Abortion is not tricky. Abortion should be legalized. You say that people shouldn't have kids they can't support [I]while being okay with removing their ability to not have kids they can't support.[/I][/QUOTE] Adoptions exist. I recognize that abortion has benefits, but it also enables irresponsible behavior.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341745]That is my stance. It's simple. I don't know what else you want to hear.[/QUOTE] people have a problem with how simplistic this stance IS. It's not a simple problem but certainly it would go a long way for equal rights by just allowing women control over their decisions to keep a pregnancy or not I don't want to get started on how dangerous illegal abortions can be either
Like i didnt ask him about the states I asked what HIS stance was.
Why do we have to pick between gun rights and LGBT rights anyway? Why can we not have both?
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51341766][img]https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYsAYx7JTRRikCs/giphy.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Same.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341765]Adoptions exist. I recognize that abortion has benefits, but it also enables irresponsible behavior.[/QUOTE] And anti abortion leads to back alley ones.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341765]Adoptions exist. I recognize that abortion has benefits, but it also enables irresponsible behavior.[/QUOTE] "Irresponsible behavior" when an unwanted child that has to fend for itself after being dropped off at foster care that may or may not even be adequately funded to deal with a huge quantum of unwanted babies, assuming those babies arent done in by the parents themselves
[QUOTE=wystan;51341765]Adoptions exist. I recognize that abortion has benefits, but it also enables irresponsible behavior.[/QUOTE] Such irresponsible things like having sex like most human beings do?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51341778]Such irresponsible as having sex like most human beings do?[/QUOTE] It's really not hard to avoid pregnancy these days, it's not difficult to practice safe sex.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51341778]Such irresponsible things like having sex like most human beings do?[/QUOTE] It's easy not to think about the risk of pregnancy when the only thing you wanna stick your willy in is your M4, right Wystan?
State's Rights is a joke. Many state governments will gladly strip rights from people to stay in office, as seen in the Voter ID bullshit.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51341777]"Irresponsible behavior" when an unwanted child that has to fend for itself after being dropped off at foster care that may or may not even be adequately funded to deal with a huge quantum of unwanted babies, assuming those babies arent done in by the parents themselves[/QUOTE] Loving these magical what if trying to pose some bleeding heart argument. Babies in foster care are totally left to fend for themselves, you know, just drop them off in a basket and hope they make it right? Obviously if abortions are cut there would be plenty of funding to go into adequate foster care.
[QUOTE=kyle877;51341785]It's easy not to think about the risk of pregnancy when the only thing you wanna stick your willy in is your M4, right Wystan?[/QUOTE] he got rekt so hard hahahaha People like wystan are what happens when your world view started simplistic and remains simplistic despite having the opportunity to understand that things arent as simple as you think they are or want them to be
[QUOTE=wystan;51341782]It's really not hard to avoid pregnancy these days, it's not difficult to practice safe sex.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, a huge amount of conservatives are against sex education in schools and yet refuse to teach their children the appropriate amount of sex education that they need to avoid pregnancies. So I mean. I don't know what they expect.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341782]It's really not hard to avoid pregnancy these days, it's not difficult to practice safe sex.[/QUOTE] What if the condom fails and you dknt realize in time for the morning after pill? What if her contraceptive implant failed? Having a child has enormous repricussions to the mothers body. Why should she be forced to carry a child who was for all intents and purposes an accident?
[QUOTE=wystan;51341782]It's really not hard to avoid pregnancy these days, it's not difficult to practice safe sex.[/QUOTE] Have you heard of a term called contraceptive failure look it up
[QUOTE=wystan;51341792]Loving these magical what if trying to pose some bleeding heart argument. Babies in foster care are totally left to fend for themselves, you know, just drop them off in a basket and hope they make it right? Obviously if abortions are cut there would be plenty of funding to go into adequate foster care.[/QUOTE] lol like america properly utilizes it's funding [t]https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie,_2015_enacted.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51341780]Because you got 2 candidates[/QUOTE] Ok. But why is it so hard for one of them to come out and support gun rights and LGBT rights at the same time? I support both and I'm sure there are plenty of other people who also support both who would vote for a candidate who supports both.
[QUOTE=The golden;51341790]Do you even have the faintest idea how sex and contraceptives work, and also potentially fail[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kyle877;51341785]It's easy not to think about the risk of pregnancy when the only thing you wanna stick your willy in is your M4, right Wystan?[/QUOTE] Because pulling out is super difficult. Because birth control is super difficult to get and take. Because condoms are so incredibly expensive.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341782]It's really not hard to avoid pregnancy these days, it's not difficult to practice safe sex.[/QUOTE] And the very same people who are voting against abortion are those opposing "abstinence-only" sex ed. I think you'd be surprised how little people know about prevention.
[QUOTE=kyle877;51341808]lol like america properly utilizes it's funding [t]https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie,_2015_enacted.png[/t][/QUOTE] Don't forget that wall they say Mexico is going to foot the whole bill for or the more expensive replacement to Obongocare that surely wont fuck everybody over
[QUOTE=wystan;51341782]It's really not hard to avoid pregnancy these days, it's not difficult to practice safe sex.[/QUOTE] You have to keep in mind the rest of the Republican platform, and the views and actions of people like Pence. Pence campaigned against condoms. As a whole the Republican platform doesn't make much sense and the net effect of this sort of social policy is less freedom, and lower quality of life. The little bits that make things go don't work together towards their intended goal.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51341801]What if the condom fails and you dknt realize in time for the morning after pill? What if her contraceptive implant failed? Having a child has enormous repricussions to the mothers body. Why should she be forced to carry a child who was for all intents and purposes an accident?[/QUOTE] We can play what if's all day, but that accomplishes nothing. Be responsible for your actions.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341815]Because pulling out is super difficult. Because birth control is super difficult to get and take. Because condoms are so incredibly expensive.[/QUOTE] Again you missed the entire fucking point that birth control measure can and do fail what about those huh
[QUOTE=wystan;51341765]Adoptions exist. I recognize that abortion has benefits, but it also enables irresponsible behavior.[/QUOTE] What? Like people *gasp*[I] having sex with eachother!?[/I] You're right, clearly this is a very important issue and we should definitely, definitely punish everybody for it by making abortions difficult to get. I mean, if people start having sex all willy nilly then they might start doing all sorts of crazy stuff! Like [I]enjoying [/I]themselves! And then the madness would never end!!!
[QUOTE=wystan;51341792]Loving these magical what if trying to pose some bleeding heart argument. Babies in foster care are totally left to fend for themselves, you know, just drop them off in a basket and hope they make it right? Obviously if abortions are cut there would be plenty of funding to go into adequate foster care.[/QUOTE] Ive known multiple people who have gone through the foster care and group home system. Almost every single one of them was in a gang. This should tell you that theres something wrong with the system. Also the republicans want to cut social spending but theyll magically start funding the foster system? You've got some pretty magical thinking there.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341650]He didn't provide an argument though. Please point out the argument for the topic at hand here [/QUOTE] Sorry, I didn't realize you were socially inept, I'll go ahead and flesh it out so you can understand. He and most other people don't bother to make actual arguments against you at this point because you've proven time and again that you will simply ignore them. You only ever respond to easy posts that you can just throw a little one or two line reply at, so no one wants to bother actually putting any effort into debating you when it's clearly a waste of time. I fucking love a decent debate and even I don't want to waste my time arguing with you. You've dragged the level of discourse this far into the ground, the only one to blame when people just call you an idiot instead of providing a fleshed out argument against your position is yourself.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341815]Because pulling out is super difficult. Because birth control is super difficult to get and take. [B]Because condoms are so incredibly expensive[/B].[/QUOTE] If Pence had his way, yes they would be
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51341825]Again you missed the entire fucking point that birth control measure can and do fail what about those huh[/QUOTE] How does one fail to pull out?
[QUOTE=wystan;51341815]Because pulling out is super difficult. Because birth control is super difficult to get and take. Because condoms are so incredibly expensive.[/QUOTE] Birth control IS super difficult to get and take. Not everyone can afford it, man. Not everyone's bodies can handle the side effects. Condoms break. Some people don't pull out in time and pre-ejaculate can still contain sperm if it remains in the urethra from previous ejaculation.
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