• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51341903]Bait? You dont know wystan do you[/QUOTE] I don't pay attention to usernames here, except for mods.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51341943]You wanted Trump in. Your responsible for an anti-condom anti-abortion and anti-sex education America But you're never going to be willing to accept the consequences.[/QUOTE] It's his "freedom" not to be responsible for his actions Just the rest of us
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51341944]Then they shouldnt complain when they get flung through the windshield in an RTA because it was their own fault they refused to use safety measures.[/QUOTE] I agree. People should have the freedom to be irresponsible, doesn't mean we should enable it.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341930]I think using seatbelt would be more apt, since depending where you go, it is illegal to not wear one, and some people had a real problem with it.[/QUOTE] Pence and the Republicans want to ban airbags, cut funding to those promoting the use of seatbelts because they're too modern, and also restrict driver's ed to ONLY horse and buggy education, because they're convinced this will somehow save or protect lives.
[QUOTE=wystan;51341782]It's really not hard to avoid pregnancy these days, it's not difficult to practice safe sex.[/QUOTE] Both birth control and condoms can fail, leading to unwanted pregnancy. Which I've had condoms break thankfully though no baby's.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51341944]Then they shouldnt complain when they get flung through the windshield in an RTA because it was their own fault they refused to use safety measures.[/QUOTE] By the logic Wystan is attempting to use, we shouldn't provide medical aid to car crash victims who didn't wear seatbelts because it's "the consequences of their irresponsibility." Because horrible, agonising death on a roadside is obviously a justifiable punishment for being a bit careless for a day.
you know what I can accept someone being anti-abortion but if your not also pro-contraceptives (being freely distributed) and for increasing sex education nationally and making it a requirement you'd have to be one pretty stupid asshole. Surprise Surprise, the VP isn't. like your bitching about this X thing being immoral. Ok fine. But then you turn around and do something that would only create MORE need for it. Make up your mind you tosser.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51341913]Just like Brexit, our young voters were in overwhelming agreement: [img]http://i.imgur.com/DOblBQr.png[/img][/QUOTE] You shouldnt be able to vote if you're over 60 tbqh
[QUOTE=milktree;51341743]I bet that lady who told bernie supporters at the dnc to "grow up" feels especially dumb[/QUOTE] How many bernie supporters split the vote in Florida by voting Johnson instead of Trump?
[QUOTE=Pascall;51341902]What if that human life is going to end anyway? What if that human life is going to take the life of the mother? Why is the life of an unborn baby worth more than the life of someone else? Is there a priority system? Why do conservatives then turn around and say "Well the baby's born, time to stop helping the mother and the family entirely and blame them for not being able to afford anything!" Where does it end? Why is everything someone else's fault? Why do conservatives tote that they are pro-life and then continue to strip away basic human rights for people? Why do they want to defund Planned Parenthood that continues to educate people on pregnancy prevention techniques and help people afford proper contraception? What is the end game? What is the actual purpose?[/QUOTE] My guess is its all about religion (for being against abortion that is).
[QUOTE=wystan;51341952]I agree. People should have the freedom to be irresponsible, doesn't mean we should enable it.[/QUOTE] This is a blind argument and I am afraid you can't see what's wrong with it News flash, the world is moving on and religion no longer should determine what people should or shouldnt do with their own bodies Nobody should be frightened into ignoring sex as a natural part of life because of the possibility of pregnancy because you think "it has to have consequences" and "we shouldnt enable things so easily" Like legitimately you're making yourself look more stupid with every pro-life argument you make I can't change the way you think but I hope this kind of thinking goes extinct in 50 years
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51341913]Just like Brexit, our young voters were in overwhelming agreement: [img]http://i.imgur.com/DOblBQr.png[/img][/QUOTE] Old people should be pushed out onto the ice to die. especially Republican old people t.Floridian.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51341963]you know what I can accept someone being anti-abortion but if your not also pro-contraceptives (being freely distributed) and for increasing sex education nationally and making it a requirement you'd have to be one pretty stupid asshole. Surprise Surprise, the VP isn't.[/QUOTE] That's a good way to summarize my view. I don't support Pence's ideas, he's a little too much. I don't care about sex before marriage and all the uber Christian values typically associated with the republican party. But pretending that abortion isn't ending a human life is absurd.
How am I still here?
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51341965]You shouldnt be able to vote if you're over 60 tbqh[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Raidyr;51341969]Old people should be pushed out onto the ice to die. especially Republican old people t.Floridian.[/QUOTE] The baby boom generation really is retarded lol A huge amount of them don't give a shit about policy. Just say "This is how is used to be!" and call it a day, or say "yeah but SOCIALISM is BAD"
[QUOTE=wystan;51341979]That's a good way to summarize my view. I don't support Pence's ideas, he's a little too much. I don't care about sex before marriage and all the uber Christian values typically associated with the republican party. But pretending that abortion isn't [B]ending a human life is absurd[/B].[/QUOTE] You still haven't provided an argument that explains why. Does a human life start at conception? If not, when?
[QUOTE=wystan;51341979]That's a good way to summarize my view. I don't support Pence's ideas, he's a little too much. I don't care about sex before marriage and all the uber Christian values typically associated with the republican party. But pretending that abortion isn't ending a human life is absurd.[/QUOTE] But what if the unborn baby is gonna kill the mother? Why is [I]that[/I] okay?
[QUOTE=wystan;51341979]That's a good way to summarize my view. I don't support Pence's ideas, he's a little too much. I don't care about sex before marriage and all the uber Christian values typically associated with the republican party. But pretending that abortion isn't ending a human life is absurd.[/QUOTE] Its absurd if you dont understand that a clump if cells =/= a human.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51341988]But what if the unborn baby is gonna kill the mother? Why is [I]that[/I] okay?[/QUOTE] Or what if the mother was raped?
[QUOTE=wystan;51341979]That's a good way to summarize my view. I don't support Pence's ideas, he's a little too much. I don't care about sex before marriage and all the uber Christian values typically associated with the republican party. But pretending that abortion isn't ending a human life is absurd.[/QUOTE] Because it isnt if you didnt fail high school science
[QUOTE=J!NX;51341985]The baby boom generation really is retarded lol[/QUOTE] My most anti-brexit British friend had the exact same sentiment. They just fuck things up and then die before they see the effects.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51341988]But what if the unborn baby is gonna kill the mother? Why is [I]that[/I] okay?[/QUOTE] Then the mother and child should both die because abortion is immoral :downs:
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51341995]Then the mother and child should both die because abortion is immoral :downs:[/QUOTE] Zone, tell us, how possible is it that a mother could die by child birth and have the child end up dying anyways? What causes this? I mean, I know this shit happens just, not how/why
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51341987]You still haven't provided an argument that explains why. Does a human life start at conception? If not, when?[/QUOTE] Yes. That is the moment human development starts, so if you terminate it, you're ending a life. Why are people who kill pregnant women often charged with double murder?
[QUOTE=J!NX;51341985]The baby boom generation really is retarded lol A huge amount of them don't give a shit about policy. Just say "This is how is used to be!" and call it a day, or say "yeah but SOCIALISM is BAD"[/QUOTE] Like quite frankly I am legitimately all for me having my right to vote revoked by the time I'm 60 for the greater good and because... you know... i literally wont live to see the fucking consequences of my actions
[QUOTE=wystan;51341979]That's a good way to summarize my view. I don't support Pence's ideas, he's a little too much. I don't care about sex before marriage and all the uber Christian values typically associated with the republican party. But pretending that abortion isn't ending a human life is absurd.[/QUOTE] There's more nuance involved than "parasitic cancer-like blob" that a lot of people resort to, but 'ending a human life' doesn't really mean a god damn thing unless you're willing to actually define what you mean. If you want to talk about viability, we lack a firm consensus as of yet (and that benchmark is subject to change as we advance medically). If you're looking at every potential fertilization event then your argument is stupid from a biological perspective because most fertilization events fail to even implant and are never even detected. This is the angle the republicans are pushing though, so if you're ok with the shit they're pushing now you're really letting bone headed politicians interfere with medical decisions best left between doctor and patient. Less freedoms, less responsibility, less methods available for people to pick up the pieces, and these decisions aren't even being made based on meaningful evidence or philosophical implications.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342001]Yes. That is the moment human development starts, so if you terminate it, you're ending a life. Why are people who kill pregnant women often charged with double murder?[/QUOTE] I love it when pro-lifers act like the primary argument for pro-choice is that abortion doesn't count and is totally not bad at all.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342001]Yes. That is the moment human development starts, so if you terminate it, you're ending a life. Why are people who kill pregnant women often charged with double murder?[/QUOTE] Most fertilization events fail to implant lad. Low estimates are usually around 50%. More recent estimates put it in the 90%'s. By your metric most humans never even come close to being born.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51341991]Or what if the mother was raped? Zone, tell us, how possible is it that a mother could die by child birth and have the child end up dying anyways? What causes this?[/QUOTE] The main cause of maternal death in general is postpartum bleed (15%) complications from unsafe abortions (15%, the same back alley shit that will go up thanks to pro-life policies), PIH and Eclampsia (hypertension in pregnancy, 10%), postpartum infections (8%) and obstructed labor (6%) Important causes of both fetomaternal mortality include missed abortions, obstructed labor, placenta previa, the same illegal abortions I mentioned before, all these reasons plus a nonviable fetus, such as one with anencephaly or other unsurvivable malformation, a missed abortion leading to DIC from dead fetus syndrome, and so forth.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342001]Yes. That is the moment human development starts, so if you terminate it, you're ending a life. Why are people who kill pregnant women often charged with double murder?[/QUOTE] You do realize it's a single cell with no personality with no more traits of human life than any of the skin cells you shred millions of each day? And how about the copper IUDs? Should they be banned?
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