• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=J!NX;51341999]Zone, tell us, how possible is it that a mother could die by child birth and have the child end up dying anyways? What causes this?[/QUOTE] Seems fairly straightforward. An otherwise healthy baby can still have severe complications during the birthing process that threaten both its life and the mother. There's no tit for tat in medicine. Saving one doesn't doom the other, and vice versa.
[QUOTE=Linkuya;51340121]Hello Facepunch, Sensationalist Headlines! I am a courier, with a message from former Facepunch user Pvt. Martin. It reads as follows: [quote]"P.S. Fuck you Zilla, nobody cares, you gender confused twat"[/quote] [/QUOTE] I just woke up to this. Fuck the fact that this reasonable person thought this was an okay thing to say because his candidate won. We really have set our country back 20+ years.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51342027]You do realize it's a single cell with no personality with no more traits of human life than any of the skin cells you shred millions of each day? And how about the copper IUDs? Should they be banned?[/QUOTE] Good to know that's what you value human life at. And that's a bad comparison and you know it.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51342022]The main cause of maternal death in general is postpartum bleed (15%) complications from unsafe abortions (15%, the same back alley shit that will go up thanks to pro-life policies), PIH and Eclampsia (hypertension in pregnancy, 10%), postpartum infections (8%) and obstructed labor (6%) Important causes of both fetomaternal mortality include missed abortions, obstructed labor, placenta previa, the same illegal abortions I mentioned before, all these reasons plus a nonviable fetus, such as one with anencephaly or other unsurvivable malformation, a missed abortion leading to DIC from dead fetus syndrome, and so forth.[/QUOTE] man fuck being a female when you have the chance to get raped, forced to have the baby regardless even though you know your body couldn't handle the birth, and then die when birth goes terribly wrong. So much respect for the females out there for having to deal with that crap
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51342027]You do realize it's a single cell with no personality with no more traits of human life than any of the skin cells you shred millions of each day? And how about the copper IUDs? Should they be banned?[/QUOTE] This argument never works because they make the same argument about ending the potential for life, but arbitrarily draw this line for potential at conception. Actually, some troll state-level politicians have suggested legislation making it illegal to cum outside a vag so who knows.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342001]Yes. That is the moment human development starts, so if you terminate it, you're ending a life. Why are people who kill pregnant women often charged with double murder?[/QUOTE] Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I'll just be over here with the entire international medical and scientific community shaking my head in disdain.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342034]Good to know that's what you value human life at. And that's a bad comparison and you know it.[/QUOTE] But. What. About. The. Mother. Why is her life worth less? Why does she not matter?
On behalf of fellow republicans, Pvt. Martin's disgusting remarks don't represent us.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342034]Good to know that's what you value human life at. And that's a bad comparison and you know it.[/QUOTE] lmfao it's good to know what Republicans value human life at when they repeal Obamacare and deregulate insurance companies so we can go back to the good old days of being denied coverage due to "pre-existing conditions". Get your moralizing out of here, you aren't any more pro-life than people who are pro-choice, and based on your prior posts regarding torture and execution I'd say significantly less so.
[QUOTE=Blazyd;51342042]On behalf of fellow republicans, Pvt. Martin's disgusting remarks don't represent us.[/QUOTE] Thank you for doing the right thing by disdaining such an arrogant self-centered moron. It's those people who I dislike among the republican camp, and those people who will cause problems for the moderates and the left not to mention their own fellow Republicans.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342034]Good to know that's what you value human life at. And that's a bad comparison and you know it.[/QUOTE] "human life is worthless, honestly lets just kill all humans whats even the point, everyone should have the choice to just murder everyone else" - what prolifers things prochoicers are like
All the pro-lifers I've seen argue against abortion are also against affordable health insurance and medical care. They're not pro-life, they're pro-religious superiority lol. Like. How backwards can you get.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342034]Good to know that's what you value human life at. And that's a bad comparison and you know it.[/QUOTE] I value human life very highly, thank you very much. That's why I'm not in favour of torture or shooting people. But why is an egg not human life, then? It has potential to become human life at some point, under the right circumstances. Why do you draw the line at conception?
On the bright side it's reeeeally unlikely that Trump will stay in office for a full term hell, with the amount of people that absolutely fucking despise Trump i seriously doubt he's gonna even make it to his inauguration without someone attempting to pop a cap in his ass but then again Pence is also a fucking retard so it wouldn't change a damn thing
[QUOTE=Blazyd;51342042]On behalf of fellow republicans, Pvt. Martin's disgusting remarks don't represent us.[/QUOTE] I've had to remind myself of that every few minutes all morning. Already, I've seen the parade of disgusting rhetoric bloom on my local social media pages. I do fully understand that not all Republicans share such ugly and regressive policies, but Donald Trump has fully legitimized such rhetoric in the eyes of those who do subscribe to it. Racism, sexism, bigotry, xenophobia, and religious elitism has been validated, and those who have otherwise held this bullshit close and secret now feel vindicated and empowered. It's okay, they're just "telling it like it is" and fighting back against "political correctness."
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51342060]I value human life very highly, thank you very much. That's why I'm not in favour of torture or shooting people. But why is an egg not human life, then? It has potential to become human life at some point, under the right circumstances. Why do you draw the line at conception?[/QUOTE] So does my fucking jizz in the toilet.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51342040]But. What. About. The. Mother. Why is her life worth less? Why does she not matter?[/QUOTE] I see no use in these what ifs. Genuine question because I actually don't know so enlighten me, are there cases where doctors know with absolute certainty that the baby will kill the mother but the baby will survive? Educate me so I can better answer your question.
I'm just worried about The US image, climate change, the economy, civil rights, and the republicans evengelical agenda. And war. Which all seem to be in worst case scenario mode now. Just imagine all the horrible laws the house and senate will pass now. And what kind of rulings a extremely conservative Supreme Court will have. And I bet there's going to be an economic bubble burst in the next 4 years too.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342001]Yes. That is the moment human development starts, so if you terminate it, you're ending a life. Why are people who kill pregnant women often charged with double murder?[/QUOTE] People who kill pregnant women are scum and get charged with double murder because we're not allowed to have them slowly dissolved in acid from the feet upwards. Because that would be "cruelty" But do you know what happens at conception? Like scientifically, I mean? A couple of cells start dividing. And dividing... And dividing, and eventually they form !!! A bigger collection of cells. for the first few months of human development, an embryo amounts to little more than a tiny collection of cells. No brain, no thoughts, no heartbeat, not even any nerves with which to experience. If you don't want a pregnancy, then that collection of cells acts as a parasitic organism, leeching your nutrients and causing you physical pain and hormonal chaos. You know what else is a collection of unwanted cells that acts as a parasitic organism, leeching nutrients and causing physical pain? Fucking [B]cancer.[/B] Up until the point where an embryo grows a brain and starts processing thoughts, it is literally indistinguishable from cancerous cells. But sure, let's call a bunch of wildly growing, unwanted parasitic cells a "human" and ruin the livelihoods of millions of people because it's "wrong" to get rid of those cells. That sure is a great stance to have. [QUOTE=wystan;51342067]I see no use in these what ifs. Genuine question because I actually don't know so enlighten me, are there cases where doctors know with absolute certainty that the baby will kill the mother but the baby will survive? Educate me so I can better answer your question.[/QUOTE] There are hundreds of cases where this can happen. Preexisting medical conditions, trauma, genetic mutation, late births... All of these things can be detected early and many of them can lead to a "it's you or your child" situation. If I posted the whole list of shit that can go wrong with pregnancy here, it'd exceed the word limit before it was done.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51342060]I value human life very highly, thank you very much. That's why I'm not in favour of t[B]orture[/B] or shooting people.[/QUOTE] Unlike Wystan, ironically. Wystan values human life so much that he fully supports torturing people, even while simultaneously admitting that torture does not produce actionable intelligence and is thus just cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
TIL last night I blew billions of unborn, but still full humans into a piece of silicone shaped like Rachael Starr's pussy.
[QUOTE=Blazyd;51342042]On behalf of fellow republicans, Pvt. Martin's disgusting remarks don't represent us.[/QUOTE] It appears unfortunately that Pvt. Martin's comments do, however, represent Pence. And Pence is the one with power.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342067]I see no use in these what ifs. Genuine question because I actually don't know so enlighten me, are there cases where doctors know with absolute certainty that the baby will kill the mother but the baby will survive? Educate me so I can better answer your question.[/QUOTE] Eclampsia and Preeclampsia Ectopic Pregnancy Failed labor
Is this really bad? I don't like trump but come on, what could go wrong? Congress can shut him up if he does stupid shit right?
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;51342086]Is this really bad? I don't like trump but come on, what could go wrong? Congress can shut him up if he does stupid shit right?[/QUOTE] what congress? the same congress which flipped republican?
[QUOTE=notlabbet;51342068]I'm just worried about The US image, climate change, the economy, civil rights, and the republicans evengelical agenda. And war. Which all seem to be in worst case scenario mode now. Just imagine all the horrible laws the house and senate will pass now. And what kind of rulings a extremely conservative Supreme Court will have. And I bet there's going to be an economic bubble burst in the next 4 years too.[/QUOTE] People are going to call you out for "overreacting" and "fearmongering" but you're giving a completely realistic scenario I mean for fucks sake its been less than 12 hours and they've already promised to disenfranchise millions of people [IMG]https://68.media.tumblr.com/2eaa3832b589ea7bd23b0641a6491d23/tumblr_inline_ogdaewScN41r57afa_540.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;51342086]Is this really bad? I don't like trump but come on, what could go wrong? Congress can shut him up if he does stupid shit right?[/QUOTE] They're majority Republican, so they're going to pass Republican policies. In particular, anti-LGBT policies.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;51342086]Is this really bad? I don't like trump but come on, what could go wrong? Congress can shut him up if he does stupid shit right?[/QUOTE] It is really that fucking bad Congress is on his side. They can do whatever they want
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51342082]TIL last night I blew billions of unborn, but still full humans into a piece of silicone shaped like Rachael Starr's pussy.[/QUOTE] Glorious fucking page king right there
I love how every time I give a cohesive argument for why a fetus life doesn't matter prolifers ignore it. Nobody cares about human life on its own. A brain-dead person is as much a human life as a fetus. They are more complex than a fetus, they often have parts of the brain still functional, they have functioning organs, I'd argue that they're closer to a fully developed living human than a fetus. But we'll kill them without qualms. You know why that is? Because tissue that is technically living and technically human can still lack the things we actually value. Complex Intelligence, emotions, consciousness, the human experience. The fetus doesn't have any of it. So no, killing a fetus is not murder, because we don't value human lives, we value the lives of PEOPLE, and a fetus is not a person by any meaningful definition of the term.
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