• Donald Trump elected President of the United States - Deal with it, lmao
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[QUOTE=wystan;51342247]Fucking knew a torture quip was coming. I'm not against contraception or sex education either.[/QUOTE] But you voted that way and are only NOW informing yourself
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51342240]This is what happens when a majority of people in this country build their lives and moral values around a piece of scripture that despises us[/QUOTE] It's the same reason why racism, misogyny and ableism are all such huge fucking problems: "You're different to me so I hate you." It's literally the most petty, stupid, brainless thing human beings are capable of, and now we have a president who won with it part of his platform, and a vice present who is certifiably delusional.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342247]Fucking knew a torture quip was coming. I'm not against contraception or sex education either.[/QUOTE] your support of pulling out says otherwise
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51342255]But you voted that way and are only NOW informing yourself[/QUOTE] Reminds me of the spike of people in Britain asking "what is the EU?" after the Brexit vote. Might have been good to do that research before, hmmm?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51342255]But you voted that way and are only NOW informing yourself[/QUOTE] Because abortion ranks low on issues I care about, still no need to be an asshole to someone obviously trying to learn more.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342220]Yea because everyone is expected to know about the gamut of pregnancy complications. So when I try to actually learn something you insult me? Way to contribute to the discussion pal[/QUOTE] Wystan, I appreciate that you're trying to learn more about this subject, and I do agree that berating you for that is inappropriate. However, he makes a fair point. How could you have possibly formed such such intense personal opinions about topics that you [I]do[/I] clearly know so little about? Not just in relation to pregnancy, but in any number of the other subjects I've seen you personally espouse, such as torture? Your opinions have been formed by gut feeling, but they're not actually [I]informed[/I] by fact. To be ignorant is fine, but to tell people that they should accept the validity of your arguments despite that ignorance simply isn't. Please, I invite you to learn more about this subject, so that you can make more informed decisions regarding your personal belief systems, but so long as you are ignorant about the subjects you are discussing, you simply shouldn't be attempting to argue them.
[QUOTE=paindoc;51342243]And as the birth age of a fetus decreases, the risks and side effects increase: from the stuff you mentioned to death from a relatively minor infection ravaging the neonates undeveloped immune system. The NICU is a place where lots of neonates balance in between life and death. I dunno how my mother works in that unit: having any babies die under my watch would be way too sad for me to handle but she does it somehow. Pro-life folks tend to vastly oversimplify the argument, and it barely holds together then. Once you dig in though, Pro-life falls right apart. Pro-choice can be simplified and still work, but even if you dive into the details (like we have been) it still holds up.[/QUOTE] I worked there (in a PICU and NICU) for a month (two weeks of each) during my internship and also underwent two months worth of Ob-Gyn, where we delivered four or five babies a day. I've felt really bad on the days when it went tits up and we couldnt save either a mother or their child despite whatever efforts we took, but at least we manage to save some mothers and their children when things go south.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342247]Fucking knew a torture quip was coming. I'm not against contraception or sex education either.[/QUOTE] Yeah, those torture quips are just the worst. Wonder why people are always calling you out just because you support torture. It's not a nice way to act towards you, it's basically inhumane.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342264]Because abortion ranks low on issues I care about, still no need to be an asshole to someone obviously trying to learn more.[/QUOTE] Then why do you have such a strong stance on it?
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;51342170]Has it? So where is the lgbt rights amendment?[/QUOTE] The Fourteenth amendment which would formerly grant the slaves equal rights, which has overtime evolved to other minorities such as the LGBT.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342247]Fucking knew a torture quip was coming. I'm not against contraception or sex education either.[/QUOTE] Here's what I don't understand then: if you didn't know about the various risks of late term pregnancies (and there is nothing bad about not knowing such things), where did your argument for pro-life-esque policy start? What is it's origin? Why should your opinion on this matter count, if you're not a woman or someone who has to deal with abortion-related decisions?
[QUOTE=Ona;51342259]It's the same reason why racism, misogyny and ableism are all such huge fucking problems: "You're different to me so I hate you." It's literally the most petty, stupid, brainless thing human beings are capable of, and now we have a president who won with it part of his platform, and a vice present who is certifiably delusional.[/QUOTE] Exactly, this attitude is the FACE of our nation now. It legitimizes every single bigot and intolerant moron in the country because the leader of their powerful nation is of their ilk. And people have the nerve to shit on "PC Culture" and "the SJWs" for being the REAL problem. Give me a fucking break.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342264]Because abortion ranks low on issues I care about, still no need to be an asshole to someone obviously trying to learn more.[/QUOTE] SO don't have views that are so strong when you clearly don't know stuff Teaching someone who has stone set opinions is impossible
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51342270]The Fourteenth amendment which would formerly grant the slaves equal rights, which has overtime evolved to other minorities such as the LGBT.[/QUOTE] No, it hasn't. It has been decisions made by the supreme court (which interprets the Constitution) that has set the precedent for civil rights. This has happened [I]numerous[/I] times, but it tends to be the Supreme Court striking down or reinterpreting a Congressional act, measure, or bill that leads to changes or advances in the field of civil rights.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342247]Fucking knew a torture quip was coming. I'm not against contraception or sex education either.[/QUOTE] Because you are trying to take the moral highground from the godless liberals by proclaiming yourself "pro-life" and this is seriously skewed by the numerous statements made in the past that show you clearly don't care about human life.
Just to add on that ending a pregnancy past a certain time period carries such huge risks doctors insist that you carry the fetus as long as you possibly can before it can either be delivered via caesarean prematurely or shit goes down to the point that you need to do something to save both mother and baby or risk losing both
The Brexit voters complaining about Trump voters. Irony Level = Grand Master :v:
[QUOTE=wystan;51342264]Because abortion ranks low on issues I care about, still no need to be an asshole to someone obviously trying to learn more.[/QUOTE] It ranks high enough for you to vote for representatives and make arguments for hours on but not enough to read into why women might be having abortions beyond sexual promiscuity?
I give up, he's not going to answer my question. :v: Alas, some wars are not meant to be won, I'll yield from further questions.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342264]Because abortion ranks low on issues I care about, still no need to be an asshole to someone obviously trying to learn more.[/QUOTE] You're being aweful vehement about it considering it's so "low" on issues you'd care about. I'd hate to see what you [I]do[/I] care about. I'm going to be honest, wystan: You fucking scare me. The fact you exist and think the way you do is [I]fucking terrifying.[/I] You contribute to massive issues without knowing the facts about them and take vehement stances on subjects that you know nothing about (and, as far as I'm aware, don't even affect you - unless you're planning on giving birth in the next few months, in which case, I sincery pity any child who has the misfortune of being raised by you.) It's because of people like you that we now have a drooling, screaming lunatic and his delusional pal in charge of one of the most powerful countries in the world for the next 4 years. And that is [I]fucking terrifying.[/I]
Is this what it's going to be like when our economy shrinks? "wtf don't get mad at me I didn't care that much about revenue and growth i just voted to make america great again I didn't know that every economist in the world was right"
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51342201]Considering you live in the US I'd expect you to understand that we have a lot of evangelicals and assorted religious that dont think LGBT people should even be allowed to live The Republican party profits off of the mass hate conservatives have for LGBT people[/QUOTE] I do understand that people hate the LGBT crowd but for some reason. But all this shit seems like blind hate to me. Removing their rights because of Obama or their sexual orientation sounds petty to me I can't wrap my head around it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51342278]SO don't have views that are so strong when you clearly don't know stuff Teaching someone who has stone set opinions is impossible[/QUOTE] To be fair, if we fail to provide good information when asked and take the easy route, people aren't ever going to learn a god damn thing. It's frustrating as shit dealing with people that don't want to learn or don't seem to care, but the road to progress requires vigilance and a lot of vodka seemingly
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51342268]Yeah, those torture quips are just the worst. Wonder why people are always calling you out just because you support torture. It's not a nice way to act towards you, it's basically inhumane.[/QUOTE] This was at least a decent quip. [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51342269]Then why do you have such a strong stance on it?[/QUOTE] It's a forum, I enjoy the discussion. [QUOTE=paindoc;51342271]Here's what I don't understand then: if you didn't know about the various risks of late term pregnancies (and there is nothing bad about not knowing such things), where did your argument for pro-life-esque policy start? What is it's origin? Why should your opinion on this matter count, if you're not a woman or someone who has to deal with abortion-related decisions?[/QUOTE] It originated on principle, via a simple reasoning that pregnant women are carrying life, so if you end it, you're ending a life, another human. Why's my opinion count? It's doesn't and I'd argue none of ours does, unless some of you are lobbyists or politicians, I enjoy the discussion. Not sure about your last question though, you don't have to be a member of a demographic to have a stance on an issue. You don't have to own guns to support them, you don't need to live in a coastal region to be worried about climate change, etc.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51342299]Is this what it's going to be like when our economy shrinks? "wtf don't get mad at me I didn't care that much about revenue and growth i just voted to make america great again I didn't know that every economist in the world was right"[/QUOTE] It's easy to shift blame and responsibility than admit your own ignorance put you into that hole because some peoples' egos can't handle they were wrong, wrong, wrong, when they made a mistake
[QUOTE=wystan;51342303]It's a forum, I enjoy the discussion. [/QUOTE] I don't get what you mean. Do you mean you spout controversial views just to start a discussion?
So if a non gun owner wrote legislation to ban guns you're good with that? Must be if you're okay with white men making the rules for literally everyone else
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51342301]To be fair, if we fail to provide good information when asked and take the easy route, people aren't ever going to learn a god damn thing. It's frustrating as shit dealing with people that don't want to learn or don't seem to care, but the road to progress requires vigilance and a lot of vodka seemingly[/QUOTE] Read a quote yesterday that sums up my experiences trying to engage with Trump supporters on FP [QUOTE]“If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” [/QUOTE] On the one hand I don't see how I'm going to convince someone Trump is bad for x policy when subject matter experts in the tens or hundreds have made the same argument and are far more qualified than I. On the other hand, I can't let sleeping dogs lie and I hate it when people are blatantly attempting to misinform.
Yeah I'm definitely not a fan of someone who will never have to undergo an abortion determining what my rights are or are not regarding abortions lol.
[QUOTE=wystan;51342247]Fucking knew a torture quip was coming. I'm not against contraception or sex education either.[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't it be? It's indicative of your mindset. You believed fully that torture was for the greater good, because you reasoned that cruelty to America's enemies was worth it if it produced intelligence that could save American lives. You were surprised, however, when it was revealed that torture [B]doesn't[/B] produce actionable intelligence. You were ignorant about that, and even after having it indisputably proven to you, you acted as if this revelation were some kind of conspiracy -- that the CIA itself was lying about the effectivity of its own torture programs for browny points. By the time you finally, fully admitted that torture was pointless, you [I]still chose to support it[/I] based on nothing more than the gut feeling that people who are tortured [U]deserve[/U] to be tortured. Your opinion, originally rooted in misguided ignorance, didn't shift to something more enlightened and informed once you had discovered your mistake. Instead, you doubled down on your beliefs, pushed back against reason, and contradicted your own initial arguments that torture was only acceptable because it ultimately saved lives. You regressed into an even more extreme, willfully ignorant position. What once was an understandable, if misguided argument in favor of a "necessarily cruel" practice devolved into an argument in support of cruelty for cruelty's sake. So, forgive me if I'm a bit confused as to why you're now standing by the "sanctity of human life."
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